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Science has yet to replicate photosynthesis. We haven't produced a functional model of the manganese based water oxidation center in photosystem II. Does that mean science is wrong about that as well?
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Science has yet to replicate photosynthesis. We haven't produced a functional model of the manganese based water oxidation center in photosystem II. Does that mean science is wrong about that as well?
Write4U
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Therefore we should look elsewhere outside the universe?
scientists can prove photosynthesis by keeping plants out of the sunlight.
by using various controls they are able to prove sunlight is responsible for the energy needed for plant chemistry.
no such proofs exist in regards to life arising from the elements.
every controlled experiment into this area has FAILED.
you should keep an open mind.
evolution IS NOT what it's cracked up to be.
hey, see that pile of dirt over there?
one of these days it's going to give you an opinion on an abstract piece of art.
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one more thing write4u,
don't (or try not to) question peoples logic or reasoning abilities but their assumptions instead.
a true scientist seeks the truth, not a agenda.
science doesn't care where life came from but it is VERY concerned with the truth of the matter.
science now has the ability to sequence the DNA of various lifeforms.
by comparing the DNA from various lifeforms it should be able to explain how diversity happens.
as of now, there has been no such explanation that i know of.
another thing:
to interpret findings in regards to evolution then pointing to that interpretation as evidence is circular reasoning when inadequate controls are in place.
by comparing the DNA from various lifeforms it should be able to explain how diversity happens.
as of now, there has been no such explanation that i know of.
another thing:
to interpret findings in regards to evolution then pointing to that interpretation as evidence is circular reasoning when inadequate controls are in place.
And scientists can also demonstrate that:
- The chemicals required for life exist in space.
- The chemicals required for life can form spontaneously.
- That under the right conditions the chemicals for life will spontaneously organize themselves into life like structures.
Just like photosynthesis, however, we have not yet produced a functional model.
The difference here is you're asserting we never will.
Actually, just the opposite is true - this much diversity from so little variation... I mean, we have what, is it 30% or 60% DNA in common with plants for the pathways that govern the metabolism of sugar.
Motor Daddy
Valued Senior Member
hey, see that pile of dirt over there?
one of these days it's going to give you an opinion on an abstract piece of art.
See that there jelly doughnut over there? One of these days it's gonna vanish into thin air, and the following week it will speak into existence a new universe, and all the good people will go to the new universe and the bad people will be stuck in the old one.
See, I can make totally ridiculous statements too, just like you!
what surprises me is that DNA is common to ALL life.
and like you said, very little variation.
DNA also has the ability to "repair" itself.
mutations seldom last beyond one or two generations.
this doesn't bode well for "accumulating small changes".
then again we are faced with "well it takes a looooong time", with no basis in fact for that statement.
i am not the one that is saying "things become alive".
i'm glad you consider it ridiculous though.
DNA can repair itself, it has mechanisms for sensing some errors, however, it still has an error rate.
Motor Daddy
Valued Senior Member
Things are alive. I am a thing and I am alive. How about you? Are you an alive thing too?
I'm not the one claiming alive things are different than things.
correct.
i have NO PROBLEM with stating i am VERY different than my phone, computer, microwave oven or any other inanimate object.
Motor Daddy
Valued Senior Member
So what, I am different than you too. I am different than every other thing. So are you! So is every thing!
Motor Daddy
Valued Senior Member
There is only distance and time, and the infinite configurations of objects that is created over time!
leopold:
Things come alive all the time. Every cell in your body has started from a set of raw materials (from the food you eat) and been built by chemical processes. So every one of your cells has started from inert stuff and "become alive".
I'm interested: where exactly in the process of creating, say, a white blood cell, do you, leopold, think that the cell "comes alive"? And what makes it "come alive"? Your God? Does he intervene with every blood cell you produce every day, personally?
What is is cracked up to be, leopold?
If you eat it, it might.
The raw materials for life and non-life and the same, leopold. There's no magical "spark of life". It's just that complex biological processes follow a program and have a certain level of chemical complexity. Life is information acting on stuff.
What about True Creationists?
Diversity happens through variation and various types of selection. Next question.
This is what evolution is all about, leopold. You can keep ignoring it, or you can learn something about it. Your choice.
I agree. It's a good thing that scientists don't do that, then, isn't it?
It might be written on one of your favorite Creationist sites somewhere, I suppose.
Are you asking how we know when life arose on Earth? Or are you making assumptions again?
Now that is a telling comment from you, leopold.
Of course it surprises you. Once you reject evolution, you have no way of explaining simple things such as the common line of descent of life on Earth. Your only recourse is to wave your hands vaguely and say "I guess my God must have done it ... somehow or other. I can't begin to imagine why."
Bizarre.
Please give me a scientific reference from a reputable source (no Creationist quote-mining, please) that supports the contention that mutations seldom last beyond one or two generations. You can't, can you?
Think about it for a moment. How would the DNA in your body magically know that it was supposed to be different from a mutation that happened to occur in your grandfather? Please tell me, leopold? How would your DNA know how to undo any such mutation?
You're not that different. You're made from similar stuff. A lot of the same elements are found in you as are found in your phone, computer, pot plant, or whatever.
You're a bit more complicated than your cell phone, that's all. Hence your cell phone has limited intelligence, while you... well, while you seem to have some intelligence but a raging blind spot when it comes to your religious beliefs.
Things come alive all the time. Every cell in your body has started from a set of raw materials (from the food you eat) and been built by chemical processes. So every one of your cells has started from inert stuff and "become alive".
I'm interested: where exactly in the process of creating, say, a white blood cell, do you, leopold, think that the cell "comes alive"? And what makes it "come alive"? Your God? Does he intervene with every blood cell you produce every day, personally?
What is is cracked up to be, leopold?
hey, see that pile of dirt over there?
one of these days it's going to give you an opinion on an abstract piece of art.
If you eat it, it might.
The raw materials for life and non-life and the same, leopold. There's no magical "spark of life". It's just that complex biological processes follow a program and have a certain level of chemical complexity. Life is information acting on stuff.
What about True Creationists?
Diversity happens through variation and various types of selection. Next question.
This is what evolution is all about, leopold. You can keep ignoring it, or you can learn something about it. Your choice.
I agree. It's a good thing that scientists don't do that, then, isn't it?
It might be written on one of your favorite Creationist sites somewhere, I suppose.
Are you asking how we know when life arose on Earth? Or are you making assumptions again?
Now that is a telling comment from you, leopold.
Of course it surprises you. Once you reject evolution, you have no way of explaining simple things such as the common line of descent of life on Earth. Your only recourse is to wave your hands vaguely and say "I guess my God must have done it ... somehow or other. I can't begin to imagine why."
Bizarre.
Please give me a scientific reference from a reputable source (no Creationist quote-mining, please) that supports the contention that mutations seldom last beyond one or two generations. You can't, can you?
Think about it for a moment. How would the DNA in your body magically know that it was supposed to be different from a mutation that happened to occur in your grandfather? Please tell me, leopold? How would your DNA know how to undo any such mutation?
You're not that different. You're made from similar stuff. A lot of the same elements are found in you as are found in your phone, computer, pot plant, or whatever.
You're a bit more complicated than your cell phone, that's all. Hence your cell phone has limited intelligence, while you... well, while you seem to have some intelligence but a raging blind spot when it comes to your religious beliefs.
Motor Daddy
Valued Senior Member
That may be the really interesting thing to you, but to me the MOST interesting is where did God come from? How did God come to exist from nothing, but every other thing had to wait for God to create it?
That is the most interesting thing to me, where did the old bearded fellow come from?
...of secondary importance to me is what temperature is it in Heaven?