For God so hated the world

stu43t

Having faith is not something that I would expect a non-believer to understand. Having faith is something that is believed in beyond all doubt,
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I understand the concept of faith. I personally do not hold faith in high regard. Faith is a huge staple in religious thought, I feel it basically amounts to a stubborness to accept the unfolding truth that is constantly being shown with the increase of our knowledge base.

With faith, people can say that no matter what evidence or reason shows, they can still believe because they are trying to find truth throught a different means than through science and reason.

Faith is the inability to accept reality, its the stubborness that resides in the human mind, its a tool used to decieve oneself into holding a concept to be true, even when its got its back to the wall and is fighting for dear life.
 
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No. Naturally if you want to be with God then you will be with God eternally.
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So the want is sufficient enough for entry? I've been hearing a little something about one's actions, but hey, I didnt make the rules, some other ancient humans did.

Likewise if you do not want to be with God then you will not be with God eternally
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I strongly believe that a personal God does not exist. It is not a utter rejection of evidence and common sense, it is a rejection of a proposterous idea.
 
Originally posted by stu43t
Until God is proven not to be real, I cannot accept your statement to be true.
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More supreme illogical thought. You can't prove a negative beyond all doubts.

I can't prove that God or whatever you believe in isn't real anymore than you can't prove that invisible purple dancing beavers aren't dancing in my garden.
 
So the want is sufficient enough for entry? I've been hearing a little something about one's actions, but hey, I didnt make the rules, some other ancient humans did.
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The want here is a bit more than what you are
probably thinking. Because there is no sin
in heaven being a perfect place, you have to
want to be perfect and not sin. This way
you will be either purified in this world or the next.
Obviously this depends a little bit on the definition
of sin but no one should intentionally sin or try
to prove what isn't sin, but was before the proof.


I can't prove that God or whatever you believe in isn't real anymore than you can't prove that invisible purple dancing beavers aren't dancing in my garden.
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I believe they are. Purple is the symbol of Babylon and
the garden represents your heart. The beavers well
they cut down the tree of life.
 
Originally posted by Master of Illusion
More supreme illogical thought. You can't prove a negative beyond all doubts.

I can't prove that God or whatever you believe in isn't real anymore than you can't prove that invisible purple dancing beavers aren't dancing in my garden.
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That argument is as old as the hills, try to be more original.

Anyway, go away child. I am having a discussion with an intelligent fellow called Defskeptic.
 
Originally posted by DefSkeptic
The stimulus is not faith. A stimulus is more or less a reason, or a motivation to act.Faith would be a tool for action, but not the reason for action. A stimulus gets one to act, faith would give them reassurance that the action was not in vain.

Faith in itself, is not a sufficient reason for action. It is the means, not the end.
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We travel to work without being certain that we won't be killed in an accident. Even without absolute certainty, we believe that we will be successful. This is the kind of faith that I am advocating.
 
Originally posted by stu43t
That argument is as old as the hills, try to be more original.

Anyway, go away child. I am having a discussion with an intelligent fellow called Defskeptic.
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You seem to be very confused. You think you are superior...calling me a child? You are sounding more and more like a fundamentalist Christian with each post.
 
Originally posted by stu43t
That argument is as old as the hills, try to be more original.

Anyway, go away child. I am having a discussion with an intelligent fellow called Defskeptic.
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It doesn't matter if it is old and unoriginal or not.
It is valid.

It is the absolute truth.

It is logical.
 
This isn't a competition to see who can be more clever, orignal and witty.
At least it shouldn't be.

It should be an exchange of ideas and notions with an ultimate goal of truth, and a more realistic goal of mutual understanding and respect.

But I guess that is beyond you, eh stu?
 
Originally posted by one_raven
This isn't a competition to see who can be more clever, orignal and witty.
At least it shouldn't be.

It should be an exchange of ideas and notions with an ultimate goal of truth, and a more realistic goal of mutual understanding and respect.
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one_raven

I agree with you entirely, it is an exchange of ideas and notions with an ultimate goal of truth, and a more realistic goal of mutual understanding and respect.

Except that Master of Illusions past record of mutual respect rates as absolute zero. He doesn't exchange ideas he just insists on spewing out his muderous biased and despicable ideas on the same theme as nazism. Basically he is not a nice chap and I have no tolerance for any of his comments.
 
Originally posted by stu43t
Except that Master of Illusions past record of mutual respect rates as absolute zero. He doesn't exchange ideas he just insists on spewing out his muderous biased and despicable ideas on the same theme as nazism. Basically he is not a nice chap and I have no tolerance for any of his comments.
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That is perfectly understandable.

Sorry to jump to conclusions and put my nose where it doesn't belong.
 
Originally posted by stu43t
one_raven

I agree with you entirely, it is an exchange of ideas and notions with an ultimate goal of truth, and a more realistic goal of mutual understanding and respect.

Except that Master of Illusions past record of mutual respect rates as absolute zero. He doesn't exchange ideas he just insists on spewing out his muderous biased and despicable ideas on the same theme as nazism. Basically he is not a nice chap and I have no tolerance for any of his comments.
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Ok, time to clear my name. stu is referring to a thread I posted in World Events & Politics called "World Peace Plan"
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=22933

I originally had a disclaimer on it, saying it wasn't to be taken seriously, but I left this out to see who would think I actually was being serious. Stu actively posted in that thread, and many thanks to him for doing so. It was closed before I actually revealed it was a joke.

I can prove this too, if anyone doesn't believe me.

Hope this clarifies things stu.
 
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