I wholeheartedly concur.
For God so hated the world
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Master of Illusion
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Seems there are others that appreciate a "warped and twisted" mind.
With the Christian God being omniscient, why create beings that he knows are destined to be in hell?
Then there is the lame Christian response: "You choose to go to hell."
Do Christians choose to go to Muslim hell?
Master of Illusion
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Wow, great insight again Mr. Non Christian. The questions weren't really directed to you, although I can see how you got so confused, being a Christian sympathiser.Originally posted by stu43t
I dunno, ask a Christian
So you'll be pleased to know that Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world
Christianity is gradually dying out, congregations are falling to the point that lots of churches are becoming unused, the upkeep of them is so expensive and most don't have the funds to carry on, and another church is closed down.
The christian church is generally used by a Christian three times in their life, baptism, wedding and funeral, and 90% of Christians fall into this catergory.
The remaining 10% that go to church regularly consists mainly of oldies , and it's usually the old folk who use church to get to know about god. The reason behind this is because their time is nearly up and believe they should get friendly with him upstairs. Cos if he is there - they will be meeting him pretty soon.
Look at USA, I believe it started out as a Christian country, now it's a "One God whoever he is" Secular country. The secular world has suffocated Christianity more than any other faith.
Islam on the other hand is stronger and more united than Christianity, and it will not be influenced by secularism in the same way as Christianity has. Christianity is dying, Islam is thriving.
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Master of Illusion
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Idiots like Dubya don't help. The US needs an atheist president or at least one who upholds the constitution in that area to quicken the slow death of Christianity in the US.
Education is the key to stop Islam from spreading. Poor uneducated people are much more likely to believe in superstition. Total separation between religion and state should also be the only way governments operate.
Originally posted by stu43t
So you'll be pleased to know that Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world
Christianity is gradually dying out, congregations are falling to the point that lots of churches are becoming unused, the upkeep of them is so expensive and most don't have the funds to carry on, and another church is closed down.
The christian church is generally used by a Christian three times in their life, baptism, wedding and funeral, and 90% of Christians fall into this catergory.
The remaining 10% that go to church regularly consists mainly of oldies , and it's usually the old folk who use church to get to know about god. The reason behind this is because their time is nearly up and believe they should get friendly with him upstairs. Cos if he is there - they will be meeting him pretty soon.
Look at USA, I believe it started out as a Christian country, now it's a "One God whoever he is" Secular country. The secular world has suffocated Christianity more than any other faith.
Islam on the other hand is stronger and more united than Christianity, and it will not be influenced by secularism in the same way as Christianity has. Christianity is dying, Islam is thriving.
No I'm not glad any religion is thriving.
grimreaper
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REST EASY CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED
FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH
not eternal damnation in hell.
with respect
FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH
not eternal damnation in hell.
with respect
Jenyar,
You mean the end of their physical lives and not their spiritual lives, correct?
OK.
It is not clear what you mean by this? How is something physical an indication of something non-physical?
This appears to be a contradiction from the earlier statement that the soul dies because of sin, now you are saying you will go to hell because of sin. Is hell therefore a real place or does hell just simply mean the death of the soul?
correct.
I guess I mean it in a Platonic form and type sort of way - that the only way we can understand the metaphysical is by extending what we know about the physical. I.e grave=hell, etc...
Hell and death are basically the same thing, although one is specified for physical and the other spiritual, we don't really know the nature of either. According to Revelation both hell and death end up in the 'pool of fire', which could be anything. This is called the 'second death' in post-apocalyptic language. The criteria for judgement between 'life' and 'death' is sin. It might mean death of the soul, but since the soul is immortal, the only semi-logical wording we can use is 'eternal death'.
In fact, you've got it backwards. The founding fathers (primarily deists) of the United States attempted to separate religion (i.e. Christianity) from the state. And then idiots like Eisenhower and Junior Bush attempt to turn the United States into a distinctly Xian nation.
It's true that more Americans are disaffiliating themselves with Xianity, but more than three quarters of Americans identify themselves as Xian, so I would hardly call Xianity "suffocated" at this time.
Whichever way round you want to look at it, USA is not a Christian country. America is a secular country and its politics are influenced by Judaesim
You say, three quarters of Americans identify themselves as Xian, They might identify or associate themselves with Christianity, but this does not make them Christians. I wonder how many of the "three quarters of America" are true Christians in every sense of the word. Not as many as you would think.
Bush jnr. has quoted Christianity in his attempt at a "war on terrorism", this has made him look a bigger fool (If it's possible) than he already is.
Judaism?? How do you figure that? Even if the United States is not a Christian country, I would at least say that it is heavily influenced by that religion.They are Christians if they identify themselves as such. I see what you mean though. Even though they may identify themselves as Christians, secular forces may rule over the majority of them.
Hopefully that is also the impression of more than half the population. Erm... let me change that. More than 50% of the population in more than 25 states.
So they help Israel. That makes the US government primarily influenced by Judaism? Here's an example that shows just how influenced by Christianity the US government is:
"The very first act of the new Bush administration was to have a Protestant Evangelist minister officially dedicate the inauguration to Jesus Christ, who he declared to be 'our savior.' Invoking 'the Father, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ' and 'the Holy Spirit,' Billy Graham's son, the man selected by President George W. Bush to bless his presidency, excluded the tens of millions of Americans who are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Unitarians, agnostics and atheists from his blessing by his particularistic and parochial language.
"The plain message conveyed by the new administration is that George W. Bush's America is a Christian nation, and that non-Christians are welcome into the tent so long as they agree to accept their status as a tolerated minority rather than as fully equal citizens. In effect, Bush is saying: 'This is our home, and in our home we pray to Jesus as our savior. If you want to be a guest in our home, you must accept the way we pray.'"
-- Alan M. Dershowitz, in "Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution," Los Angeles Times, January 24, 2001
"The very first act of the new Bush administration was to have a Protestant Evangelist minister officially dedicate the inauguration to Jesus Christ, who he declared to be 'our savior.' Invoking 'the Father, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ' and 'the Holy Spirit,' Billy Graham's son, the man selected by President George W. Bush to bless his presidency, excluded the tens of millions of Americans who are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Unitarians, agnostics and atheists from his blessing by his particularistic and parochial language.
"The plain message conveyed by the new administration is that George W. Bush's America is a Christian nation, and that non-Christians are welcome into the tent so long as they agree to accept their status as a tolerated minority rather than as fully equal citizens. In effect, Bush is saying: 'This is our home, and in our home we pray to Jesus as our savior. If you want to be a guest in our home, you must accept the way we pray.'"
-- Alan M. Dershowitz, in "Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution," Los Angeles Times, January 24, 2001
The non-corrupted verse says
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that
he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
believes in him might not perish but might have
eternal life.
Fortunatly Jesus is within all hearts that accept him.
Since only God is good anyone who
does not believe in him does not believe in good and
likewise those who believe in good believe in him.
Master of Illusion
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2001 Presidential Inauguration: Invocation by Rev. Franklin Graham
"Blessed are you, 0 Lord our God. Yours, 0 God, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in Heaven and Earth is yours. Yours, 0 Lord, is the kingdom. You are exalted as head over all. Wealth and honor come from you. You are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt, and to give strength to all.
As President Lincoln once said, 'We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended power, to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.'
0 Lord, as we come together on this historic and solemn occasion to inaugurate once again a president and vice president, teach us afresh that power, wisdom and salvation come only from your hand.
We pray, 0 Lord, for Presidentelect George W. Bush and Vice President-elect Richard B. Cheney, to whom you have entrusted leadership of this nation at this moment in history. We pray that you will help them bring our country together so that we may rise above partisan politics and seek the larger vision of your will for our nation.
Use them to bring reconciliation between the races, healing to political wounds, that we may truly become one nation under God.
Give our new president and all who advise him calmness in the face of storms, encouragement in the face of frustration and humil. ity in the face of success. Give them the wisdom to know, and to do, what is right and the courage to say no to all that is contrary to your statutes and holy law.
Lord, we pray for their families, and especially their wives, Laura Bush and Lynne Cheney, that they may sense your presence and know your love.
Today we entrust to you President and Senator Clinton and Vice President and Mrs. Gore. Lead them as they journey through new doors of opportunity to serve others.
Now, 0 Lord, we dedicate this presidential inaugural ceremony to you. May this be the beginning of a new dawn for America as we humble ourselves before you and acknowledge you alone as our Lord, our Savior and our Redeemer
We pray this in the name of the Father, and of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen."
- The Rev. FrankIin Graham
What a crock.
"Blessed are you, 0 Lord our God. Yours, 0 God, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in Heaven and Earth is yours. Yours, 0 Lord, is the kingdom. You are exalted as head over all. Wealth and honor come from you. You are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt, and to give strength to all.
As President Lincoln once said, 'We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended power, to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.'
0 Lord, as we come together on this historic and solemn occasion to inaugurate once again a president and vice president, teach us afresh that power, wisdom and salvation come only from your hand.
We pray, 0 Lord, for Presidentelect George W. Bush and Vice President-elect Richard B. Cheney, to whom you have entrusted leadership of this nation at this moment in history. We pray that you will help them bring our country together so that we may rise above partisan politics and seek the larger vision of your will for our nation.
Use them to bring reconciliation between the races, healing to political wounds, that we may truly become one nation under God.
Give our new president and all who advise him calmness in the face of storms, encouragement in the face of frustration and humil. ity in the face of success. Give them the wisdom to know, and to do, what is right and the courage to say no to all that is contrary to your statutes and holy law.
Lord, we pray for their families, and especially their wives, Laura Bush and Lynne Cheney, that they may sense your presence and know your love.
Today we entrust to you President and Senator Clinton and Vice President and Mrs. Gore. Lead them as they journey through new doors of opportunity to serve others.
Now, 0 Lord, we dedicate this presidential inaugural ceremony to you. May this be the beginning of a new dawn for America as we humble ourselves before you and acknowledge you alone as our Lord, our Savior and our Redeemer
We pray this in the name of the Father, and of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen."
- The Rev. FrankIin Graham
What a crock.