Fascism is On the Left (Graph)

heh. what i find funny is that so-called capitalists are singing a different tune these days.

they call corporations 'collectives' and themselves capitalists. bring back pure capitalism, yada yada. idiots.

the truth is when they are on the losing end, come to find out they hijack communist sentiments and bastardize it. 'we the people for the people' and resent the ones who are successful at capitalism. even the fed, technically, is a successful capitalistic entity but they don't want to admit it.

they also stupidly think that capitalism will exist with 'rules' in their favor.

what i find disgusting is their hypocrisy. their greed and only thinking for themself and excuses is obvious too.

capitalists are nothing but tyrannists or wannabe tyrannists. no different than the tyrannists who took over and used communism as a cover.
 
"they also stupidly think that capitalism will exist with 'rules' in their favor."


Don't they all that the legal system?
 
im a radical leftist (anarcho-communist) and i can tell you that fascism is not on the far left. Proof, fascism requires large military power, support, and spending. A large agenda for propaganda in the media. Constent fingure pointing to the opposing partys as the root to all of your problems ect ect. Now, who does this sound like? The far right (aswell as "liberals" americas pussy fucked up version of the left.)
 
birch said:
heh. what i find funny is that so-called capitalists are singing a different tune these days.

they call corporations 'collectives' and themselves capitalists. bring back pure capitalism, yada yada. idiots.

the truth is when they are on the losing end, come to find out they hijack communist sentiments and bastardize it. 'we the people for the people' and resent the ones who are successful at capitalism. even the fed, technically, is a successful capitalistic entity but they don't want to admit it.

they also stupidly think that capitalism will exist with 'rules' in their favor.

what i find disgusting is their hypocrisy. their greed and only thinking for themself and excuses is obvious too.

capitalists are nothing but tyrannists or wannabe tyrannists. no different than the tyrannists who took over and used communism as a cover.
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amen
 
The far right (aswell as "liberals" americas pussy fucked up version of the left.)
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ha! you'll see so-called conservatives flip flop when things don't go their way. this outsourcing and corporatism issue makes it clear. when they are sore losers, then they become the "whining pussy."

wonder what happen to that pro-capitalist mantra? lol

this is what they do: they disguise their 'pussyness' by making excuses such as 'corporations' are really not capitalist but 'cronies', 'collectives' etc and other bullshit.

capitalism is just that. it can make it's own rules and do whatever it wants to make a profit as an independent entity.

oh, at the same time these pussies/tyrants are also for 'private' ownership but resent what the corporations do acting out soley for their interest.

what a bunch of totally hypocritical asses these conservative capitalists are.
 
This is silly. It really is.

communism and fascism are two very different things. Actually they are almost polar opposites.

Fascism is on the right side of the scale and communism on the left.
 
fedr808 said:
This is silly. It really is.

communism and fascism are two very different things. Actually they are almost polar opposites.

Fascism is on the right side of the scale and communism on the left.
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bingo. best way to check for roughly where thing lie on the political spectrum is to not look at the results but to look at the rationale for actions and the core concepts behind the ideas.
 
This such a tedious & jaded argument. I hesitate to even enter. That said, fascism is primarily misplaced by most because their view is skewed in the first place. Several examples above.

Many people love using spectrums & compasses when it comes to defining where an ideology falls. I can't say this is entirely wrong, but I usually stick to the simplist format: a line. I find that this is the easiest explanation of where ideologies stand, plus at least in my view it is the one that is least manipulated.

Start with the simple idea of freedom & tyranny, you can place them wherever you like; right is freedom, left is tyranny. This is the general method, but it can be reversed. For me, I like right/freedom, left/tyranny.

Once you have determined this now you can start placing political philosophies within the line, not the other way around. This is the first mistake many follow. Ideas that stress individual freedom & liberty will flow to the right and ideas that stress social & national "freedom" will flow to the left.

At this point, all the individual learner has to do is determined where the stress is and place that thought to the corresponding direction.

Orwell says that fascism is nothing more than an insult aimed at your opponent.

Gentile says that fascism stresses collectivism and is a statist right wing ideology.

Some may use that last definition as proof that fascism is to the right. But there is a tremendous difference between individual freedom and statist right wing. In short, fascism may be to the right, but not in the manner that many above continue to spout.

In general, fascism stresses social & national "freedom" usually lead by a tyrant. Just these general terms alone place this ideology to the left, many get upset because they use the term in the Orwellian fashion. In short, they use it to demonize their opposition.

Reality is that fascism is to the right of socialism, but that doesn't place it to the right of center. Fascism does not stress individual freedom.

Arguments made from specifics are just that arguments made from specifics. There may be aspects and phases of fascism that seem to place it right of center, but that doesn't change the generality of fascism.

It belongs to whatever direction that stresses state & nationalism. When you make your claim you should really identify where you place the extremes. If you place tyranny to the left, then don't call fascism a right wing ideology. If you place tyranny to the right, then you are fine calling it a right wing ideology. Although placing tyranny to the right would place fascism as a left wing statist idea, but nevermind that.

Also those of you who continue to insist that fascism is a right wing ideology quit using spectrums & compasses. This adds to the confusion.

I understand that this in no way put the argument to rest, because their are aspects of my srgument that open other thoughts. However, the fascism argument in and of itself as to where it lies is really simple.
 
pjdude1219 said:
bingo. best way to check for roughly where thing lie on the political spectrum is to not look at the results but to look at the rationale for actions and the core concepts behind the ideas.
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The rationale may have a point, although I am not sure of what you mean by this. Nevertheless, the core concept cannot flow right.
 
fedr808 said:
This is silly. It really is.

communism and fascism are two very different things. Actually they are almost polar opposites. Fascism is on the right side of the scale and communism on the left.
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This is completely & entirely wrong.

Can you show how they are polar opposites?
 
John T. Galt said:
The rationale may have a point, although I am not sure of what you mean by this
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the reasons behind the actions determine where they like. like killing in self defense and killing for shits and giggles have the same outcome but they are 2 very different acts.
Nevertheless, the core concept cannot flow right.
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Why not most of the elements are firmly rooted in right wing ideology. Fascism is all about tradition which is typically found in right wing beliefs. it generally favors the elites over downtrodden which again is typical of right wing beliefs. fascism is all about corporate power and against labour power which plants firmly in the right wing. the only people who paint it as left wing don't understand what makes something left or right wing( though a purely linear position is probamatic as it is too simplisitc probably why you like it. its next to impossible to quantify abstracts and compare there importance.), don't understand fascism, or don't understand both.
 
Psycho Bound said:
communism-far left. Fascism-far right.
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And just exactly how does this statement show that Fascism is not a left wing system?

Fascism is just a lesser form of Communism.

Under Fascism the ownership of property still exist, but that ownership and it's use is directed and controlled by the State, the next step is Communism, all property is owned and controlled by the State, both exist under a dictatorial system, Fascism is a dictatorship of a individual, were Communism is a dictatorship of a self-perpetuating political party.

Both systems are racist, and both systems talk of having a classless society, both preach duty to the state, be it the individual Dictator, or the Party.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
And just exactly how does this statement show that Fascism is not a left wing system?

Fascism is just a lesser form of Communism.

Under Fascism the ownership of property still exist, but that ownership and it's use is directed and controlled by the State, the next step is Communism, all property is owned and controlled by the State, both exist under a dictatorial system, Fascism is a dictatorship of a individual, were Communism is a dictatorship of a self-perpetuating political party.

Both systems are racist, and both systems talk of having a classless society, both preach duty to the state, be it the individual Dictator, or the Party.
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how is the american system not dictatorial? how is it that the two party system makes any real difference?

in a monetary system of capital, those who have money make the rules. all other diatribe is smoke and mirrors.

what's the difference?

communism is not a dictatorship of self-perpetuating political party. a dictatorship is a dictatorship is a dictatorship. just because someone labels something, doesn't make it so. just as america is not a real democracy either even though that's what it calls itself.

though capitalism's ruse is for one's gain, it still has to rely on symbiotic relationship for survival and production. can ignore reality and pretend otherwise but it is what it is.

the truth is, no one is really happy with getting the short end of the stick and communistic ideology just acknowledges it. the evidence of this is in the current state of affairs and american dissatisfaction.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
And just exactly how does this statement show that Fascism is not a left wing system?

Fascism is just a lesser form of Communism.

Under Fascism the ownership of property still exist, but that ownership and it's use is directed and controlled by the State, the next step is Communism, all property is owned and controlled by the State, both exist under a dictatorial system, Fascism is a dictatorship of a individual, were Communism is a dictatorship of a self-perpetuating political party.

Both systems are racist, and both systems talk of having a classless society, both preach duty to the state, be it the individual Dictator, or the Party.
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ahhh the ignorance... Fascism puts the state over the indivisual and focuses on military power, totaltarianism and domanation. Communism, lets not forget, is more of an econamic system. The system of government that goes with it dictates many of the methods it uses to achieve its primary ideals. This can include facsist states, republics, ect ect. However, anarcho-communism (or communist anarchism, libertarian communism, ect) elimantes the state (discrediting your statement.) how you got the idea that either system is racist is beyond me. Also, fascist states can be capitalist... So how fascism is just lesser communism also makes no sense.
 
Psycho Bound said:
Communism, lets not forget, is more of an econamic system. The system of government that goes with it dictates many of the methods it uses to achieve its primary ideals. This can include facsist states, republics, ect ect. However, anarcho-communism (or communist anarchism, libertarian communism, ect) elimantes the state (discrediting your statement.) how you got the idea that either system is racist is beyond me. Also, fascist states can be capitalist... So how fascism is just lesser communism also makes no sense.
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i know. it didn't make any sense. it must be the american education system in politics (propaganda). lol

Fascism puts the state over the indivisual and focuses on military power, totaltarianism and domanation.
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america is also fascist. the lies in american politics is really twisted. look at how they misapply labels and twist them like any manipulator but don't apply them to themself.
 
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birch said:
i know. it didn't make any sense. it must be the american education system in politics (propaganda). lol



america is also fascist. the lies in american politics is really twisted. look at how they misapply labels and twist them like any manipulator but don't apply them to themself.
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oh for sure. Im in highschool currently, you should see my world history class. Its such bullshit and propaganda. Making communists, socialists, and other non-capitalist or non-authortarian governments look like poverty, chaos, mindless killers ect ect. Oh for sure. People think america is so free and democratic. Poor souls. Lost to the nationalistic lies and control. Good to see a fellow free thinker.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
And just exactly how does this statement show that Fascism is not a left wing system?

Fascism is just a lesser form of Communism.

Under Fascism the ownership of property still exist, but that ownership and it's use is directed and controlled by the State, the next step is Communism, all property is owned and controlled by the State, both exist under a dictatorial system, Fascism is a dictatorship of a individual, were Communism is a dictatorship of a self-perpetuating political party.

Both systems are racist, and both systems talk of having a classless society, both preach duty to the state, be it the individual Dictator, or the Party.
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what your describing is not what communism actual is but what ever attempt at communism morphed into oligarchy pretending to be communism.



and fascism is not a lesser form of communism. the two have completely different attitudes toward key aspects of the economy. fascism focuses of the elites while communism focus on the working people.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Fascism is just a lesser form of Communism.
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Then why does the graph show it to the left of Communism?

Unless, of course, it's not really a line - but a circle. Go far enough to the left that you meet yourself coming around from the right.
 
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