Probably the same guy who linked it.
Fascism is On the Left (Graph)
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Probably the same guy who linked it.
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Exactly, we don't even have a real progressive party in America. The Republicans are far right, and the Democrats are centere-right.
"The Green Party is no longer the alternative, the Green Party is the imperative"
~ Rosa Clemente
'bout time you contributed a useful post. lol
Just teasing.
That was pretty much the standard tool to measure where you were at in the political science departments in both universities I attended. When he posted that chart, I wondered if he made that up on with some child's graphics program, MS paint, or something. . . :shrug: It certainly has nothing to do with political science or reality.
The best known fascist in history is of course Adolf Hitler, who renamed his party Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
another lie from the right wing in graph form. first off national socialism like all of fascism is a right wing belief, secondly Obama is not far left. I am semi far left and I think i'd know if someone held the same beliefs as I did. thirdly this is an yet another unoriginal attempt to absolve the right of its evils and only goes to show the lack of maturity inherent in right wing belief systems.
The graph is also misleading and wrong. It implies that a country where the government gives it's citizens more freedom is going to have less power. I think this is inaccurate.
Since 9/11, because of conservatives, they have systemically stripped away our freedoms, but the U.S. economy, prosperity, prestige, respect, finances, "control" and IMO all other indicators of government "power" except for more red tape and just in general, being a pain in everyone's ass, no matter who's at the in helm, has gone down. So no, less "individual freedom" does not necessarily equal more power for the government. If it did, we wouldn't have won the cold war.
Yes, I think this graph was made by a frightened ideologue that had only a high school government class, if they had any schooling in government at all. And their information comes mainly from clear channel.
On a side note. . . I really want to thank you RenaissanceMan, very sincerely. Usually, this place is so filled with contention, and bickering. It tends to get kind of toxic and negative. There really are lots of conservative, ultra-conservatives, liberals, socialists, apoliticalists, anarchists, anti-globalists, you name it, that this place is usually SO contentious. Your perception that it is completely filled with far leftists and liberals couldn't be farther from the truth actually. But thanks to you, rarely is there so much peace and unanimity in threads as there are in yours. You really bring a spirit of cooperation and unity to this place. . . it is so, positive and refreshing, thank you! :bravo:
Now. . . I know you are paranoid that the whole board is nothing but a bunch of socialists, lol, so I will just let you know where I stand so you don't have to guess with me, ok? Here's my results:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
What does this mean? It means I am pretty radical. I am very much in favor of FREEDOM. I love civil rights and civil liberties. I am also very spiritual. Just like the Dalai Lama, I have a strict moral code, but I believe the government has no place forcing that code on others. The only way to true enlightenment, is through finding that path for ourselves. From the Christian perspective, think about the garden of Eden. God put that tree there, told them not to eat of it, but he didn't put a wall around it, did he? How would they ever learn to grow spiritually if he did? Same should go for all humans. If you go around trying to enforce and try to make abortion illegal, you take away people's spiritual opportunities for growth. Enlightened beings know it is a crime against the Collective Consciousness. . . . but then, I'm not going to go and tell you that you are a terrible person and post videos of a slaughter house if you aren't ready to see the truth of vegetarianism yet, or lobby to make eating meat illegal, am I? No, because maybe you aren't at that point in your spiritual evolution yet. That has to be a decision made by CHOICE. One must have freedom to develop their spirit in order for coming to the light to have any meaning, it can't be forced.
And on a final note, economically, I believe, your thoughts are your own. Your labor is your own. You may build a corporation and an empire on these and be as rich as you like. Use that abundance to help the poor, feed the world, and explore new worlds. However, the land, the water, and the air belong to everyone and the animals, they are communal resources. I have lived in housing co-ops when I was at University. I am NOT a communist, I believe in communalism. There is a difference, between voluntary cooperative democratic association, and forced coercion. This particular quiz doesn't really encapsulate that particular philosophy. There really is no place for those who believe in a Mayan or Greek city state/ Anarchist Freedom type paradigm. I'm not a big believer in centralized government. With the internet and technology we have now, big governments are no longer needed. Only for the super rich and people who wish to seek out material wealth or to exploit others are those systems necessary.
Since 9/11, because of conservatives, they have systemically stripped away our freedoms, but the U.S. economy, prosperity, prestige, respect, finances, "control" and IMO all other indicators of government "power" except for more red tape and just in general, being a pain in everyone's ass, no matter who's at the in helm, has gone down. So no, less "individual freedom" does not necessarily equal more power for the government. If it did, we wouldn't have won the cold war.
Yes, I think this graph was made by a frightened ideologue that had only a high school government class, if they had any schooling in government at all. And their information comes mainly from clear channel.
On a side note. . . I really want to thank you RenaissanceMan, very sincerely. Usually, this place is so filled with contention, and bickering. It tends to get kind of toxic and negative. There really are lots of conservative, ultra-conservatives, liberals, socialists, apoliticalists, anarchists, anti-globalists, you name it, that this place is usually SO contentious. Your perception that it is completely filled with far leftists and liberals couldn't be farther from the truth actually. But thanks to you, rarely is there so much peace and unanimity in threads as there are in yours. You really bring a spirit of cooperation and unity to this place. . . it is so, positive and refreshing, thank you! :bravo:
Now. . . I know you are paranoid that the whole board is nothing but a bunch of socialists, lol, so I will just let you know where I stand so you don't have to guess with me, ok? Here's my results:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
What does this mean? It means I am pretty radical. I am very much in favor of FREEDOM. I love civil rights and civil liberties. I am also very spiritual. Just like the Dalai Lama, I have a strict moral code, but I believe the government has no place forcing that code on others. The only way to true enlightenment, is through finding that path for ourselves. From the Christian perspective, think about the garden of Eden. God put that tree there, told them not to eat of it, but he didn't put a wall around it, did he? How would they ever learn to grow spiritually if he did? Same should go for all humans. If you go around trying to enforce and try to make abortion illegal, you take away people's spiritual opportunities for growth. Enlightened beings know it is a crime against the Collective Consciousness. . . . but then, I'm not going to go and tell you that you are a terrible person and post videos of a slaughter house if you aren't ready to see the truth of vegetarianism yet, or lobby to make eating meat illegal, am I? No, because maybe you aren't at that point in your spiritual evolution yet. That has to be a decision made by CHOICE. One must have freedom to develop their spirit in order for coming to the light to have any meaning, it can't be forced.
And on a final note, economically, I believe, your thoughts are your own. Your labor is your own. You may build a corporation and an empire on these and be as rich as you like. Use that abundance to help the poor, feed the world, and explore new worlds. However, the land, the water, and the air belong to everyone and the animals, they are communal resources. I have lived in housing co-ops when I was at University. I am NOT a communist, I believe in communalism. There is a difference, between voluntary cooperative democratic association, and forced coercion. This particular quiz doesn't really encapsulate that particular philosophy. There really is no place for those who believe in a Mayan or Greek city state/ Anarchist Freedom type paradigm. I'm not a big believer in centralized government. With the internet and technology we have now, big governments are no longer needed. Only for the super rich and people who wish to seek out material wealth or to exploit others are those systems necessary.
We, the People
Amen. People often forget that certain laws exist only because people have demonstrated the need. I mean, we in Washington had never made a law against humping horses until someone died while doing just that. And in Ohio, I'm pretty sure they didn't make the law against getting a fish drunk until something specifically brought it up. It is illegal in Alaska to wake a sleeping bear for the purpose of taking a photograph. Or looking at moose from an airplane; it is also illegal, incidentally, to push a live moose out of a moving airplane.
Anchorage has a law against tying their pet dog—specifically, a dog—to the roof of a car. And people aren't allowed to live in their trailers as it is being towed through town.
Can't get a moose drunk in Fairbanks. Nor should we be surprised that in Haines, you can't be a bartender while you're drunk. And I won't go into the flamingos.
Prohibitions exist because people do stupid things. Stupid prohibitions exist because people do exceptionally stupid things.
There's this old Simpson's joke in which Chief Wiggum happens to see a law that says it is illegal to put squirrels in one's pants for the purposes of gambling, turns around, and tells the rest of the force to stop what they're doing ... which is, of course, putting squirrels down their pants and taking bets. And, according to SNPP, there is apparently a real gaming sport called ferret legging. Use your imagination.
Or don't.
Yeah.
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Notes:
"Dumb Laws In Alaska". (n.d.) DumbLaws.com. November 20, 2010. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alaska
Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. "[9F22] Cape Feare". 1997. SNPP.com. November 20, 2010. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/9F22.html
TheEsotericist said:
Amen. People often forget that certain laws exist only because people have demonstrated the need. I mean, we in Washington had never made a law against humping horses until someone died while doing just that. And in Ohio, I'm pretty sure they didn't make the law against getting a fish drunk until something specifically brought it up. It is illegal in Alaska to wake a sleeping bear for the purpose of taking a photograph. Or looking at moose from an airplane; it is also illegal, incidentally, to push a live moose out of a moving airplane.
Anchorage has a law against tying their pet dog—specifically, a dog—to the roof of a car. And people aren't allowed to live in their trailers as it is being towed through town.
Can't get a moose drunk in Fairbanks. Nor should we be surprised that in Haines, you can't be a bartender while you're drunk. And I won't go into the flamingos.
Prohibitions exist because people do stupid things. Stupid prohibitions exist because people do exceptionally stupid things.
There's this old Simpson's joke in which Chief Wiggum happens to see a law that says it is illegal to put squirrels in one's pants for the purposes of gambling, turns around, and tells the rest of the force to stop what they're doing ... which is, of course, putting squirrels down their pants and taking bets. And, according to SNPP, there is apparently a real gaming sport called ferret legging. Use your imagination.
Or don't.
Yeah.
____________________
Notes:
"Dumb Laws In Alaska". (n.d.) DumbLaws.com. November 20, 2010. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alaska
Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. "[9F22] Cape Feare". 1997. SNPP.com. November 20, 2010. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/9F22.html
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Well he's wrong about the fascism coming from the Left but there is more than a ring of truth surrounding the pseudo-liberals running around in the White House and representing the Democrat party. Progressives may not like to admit it to the opposition but their is no defending the stench drifting from the Democratic party:
What do the next two years hold? Already there are desperate urgings from progressives for Obama to hold the line. Already there are the omens of a steady stream of concessions by Obama to the right.
There's hardly any countervailing pressure for him to do otherwise. The president has no fixed principles of political economy, and who is at his elbow in the White House? Not the Labor Secretary, Hilda Solis. Not that splendid radical Elizabeth Warren, whose Consumer Financial Protection Bureau the Republicans are already scheduling for destruction. Next to Obama is Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the bankers' lapdog, whom the president holds in high esteem.
Any hope that outgoing economic advisor Lawrence Summers might be replaced by someone of progressive cast has already been dashed by the news that the seedy Roger Altman is in the running to succeed him. Altman is an investment banker, a former deputy treasury secretary during the Clinton administration. The White House press office sends out signals that, in the words of a Washington Post news story, the president “is looking for someone from the business community to redeem the president in the eyes of corporate America.”
Now there’s an encouraging signal to Obama’s base, which is organized labor and black America – for whom he did precisely nothing in his first two years! Imagine the galvanizing effect, if the White House let it be known that Joe Stiglitz was under consideration to replace Summers.
In the months ahead, as Obama parleys amiably with the right on budgetary discipline and deficit reduction, the anger of the progressives will mount. At some point a champion of the left will step forward to challenge him in the primaries. This futile charade will expire at the 2012 Democratic National Convention amid the rallying cry of "unity".
The left must abandon the doomed ritual of squeaking timid reproaches to Obama, only to have the counselors at Obama’s elbow contemptuously dismiss them, as did Rahm Emanuel, who correctly divined their near-zero capacity for effective challenge. Two more years, of the same downward slide, courtesy of bipartisanship and “working together”? No way. Enough of dreary predictability. Let’s have a real mutiny against Obamian rightward drift. The time is not six months or a year down the road. The time is now.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
Just read progressive magazines like Z Magazine or Truthdig.com and see how intellectuals like Chomsky and Hedges expose and reflect upon the pretenses and ineffectual vapid posturing of those in power and within intellectual circles supposed to represent liberals and democrats.
What he's looking at isn't left at all. They're too right to be left
What do the next two years hold? Already there are desperate urgings from progressives for Obama to hold the line. Already there are the omens of a steady stream of concessions by Obama to the right.
There's hardly any countervailing pressure for him to do otherwise. The president has no fixed principles of political economy, and who is at his elbow in the White House? Not the Labor Secretary, Hilda Solis. Not that splendid radical Elizabeth Warren, whose Consumer Financial Protection Bureau the Republicans are already scheduling for destruction. Next to Obama is Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the bankers' lapdog, whom the president holds in high esteem.
Any hope that outgoing economic advisor Lawrence Summers might be replaced by someone of progressive cast has already been dashed by the news that the seedy Roger Altman is in the running to succeed him. Altman is an investment banker, a former deputy treasury secretary during the Clinton administration. The White House press office sends out signals that, in the words of a Washington Post news story, the president “is looking for someone from the business community to redeem the president in the eyes of corporate America.”
Now there’s an encouraging signal to Obama’s base, which is organized labor and black America – for whom he did precisely nothing in his first two years! Imagine the galvanizing effect, if the White House let it be known that Joe Stiglitz was under consideration to replace Summers.
In the months ahead, as Obama parleys amiably with the right on budgetary discipline and deficit reduction, the anger of the progressives will mount. At some point a champion of the left will step forward to challenge him in the primaries. This futile charade will expire at the 2012 Democratic National Convention amid the rallying cry of "unity".
The left must abandon the doomed ritual of squeaking timid reproaches to Obama, only to have the counselors at Obama’s elbow contemptuously dismiss them, as did Rahm Emanuel, who correctly divined their near-zero capacity for effective challenge. Two more years, of the same downward slide, courtesy of bipartisanship and “working together”? No way. Enough of dreary predictability. Let’s have a real mutiny against Obamian rightward drift. The time is not six months or a year down the road. The time is now.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
Just read progressive magazines like Z Magazine or Truthdig.com and see how intellectuals like Chomsky and Hedges expose and reflect upon the pretenses and ineffectual vapid posturing of those in power and within intellectual circles supposed to represent liberals and democrats.
What he's looking at isn't left at all. They're too right to be left
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
TWO EXAMPLES:
Posted on Sep 12, 2010
AP / Elise Amendola
By Chris Hedges
There are no longer any major institutions in American society, including the press, the educational system, the financial sector, labor unions, the arts, religious institutions and our dysfunctional political parties, which can be considered democratic. The intent, design and function of these institutions, controlled by corporate money, are to bolster the hierarchical and anti-democratic power of the corporate state. These institutions, often mouthing liberal values, abet and perpetuate mounting inequality. They operate increasingly in secrecy. They ignore suffering or sacrifice human lives for profit. They control and manipulate all levers of power and mass communication. They have muzzled the voices and concerns of citizens. They use entertainment, celebrity gossip and emotionally laden public-relations lies to seduce us into believing in a Disneyworld fantasy of democracy.
The menace we face does not come from the insane wing of the Republican Party, which may make huge inroads in the coming elections, but the institutions tasked with protecting democratic participation. Do not fear Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. Do not fear the tea party movement, the birthers, the legions of conspiracy theorists or the militias. Fear the underlying corporate power structure, which no one, from Barack Obama to the right-wing nut cases who pollute the airwaves, can alter. If the hegemony of the corporate state is not soon broken we will descend into a technologically enhanced age of barbarism.
Investing emotional and intellectual energy in electoral politics is a waste of time. Resistance means a radical break with the formal structures of American society. We must cut as many ties with consumer society and corporations as possible. We must build a new political and economic consciousness centered on the tangible issues of sustainable agriculture, self-sufficiency and radical environmental reform. The democratic system, and the liberal institutions that once made piecemeal reform possible, is dead. It exists only in name. It is no longer a viable mechanism for change. And the longer we play our scripted and absurd role in this charade the worse it will get. Do not pity Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. They will get what they deserve. They sold the citizens out for cash and power. They lied. They manipulated and deceived the public, from the bailouts to the abandonment of universal health care, to serve corporate interests. They refused to halt the wanton corporate destruction of the ecosystem on which all life depends. They betrayed the most basic ideals of democracy. And they, as much as the Republicans, are the problem.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/do_not_pity_the_democrats_20100913/
Noam Chomsky Has ‘Never Seen Anything Like This’
By Chris Hedges
April 19, 2010 "Truthdig" -- Noam Chomsky is America’s greatest intellectual. His massive body of work, which includes nearly 100 books, has for decades deflated and exposed the lies of the power elite and the myths they perpetrate. Chomsky has done this despite being blacklisted by the commercial media, turned into a pariah by the academy and, by his own admission, being a pedantic and at times slightly boring speaker. He combines moral autonomy with rigorous scholarship, a remarkable grasp of detail and a searing intellect. He curtly dismisses our two-party system as a mirage orchestrated by the corporate state, excoriates the liberal intelligentsia for being fops and courtiers and describes the drivel of the commercial media as a form of “brainwashing.” And as our nation’s most prescient critic of unregulated capitalism, globalization and the poison of empire, he enters his 81st year warning us that we have little time left to save our anemic democracy.
“It is very similar to late Weimar Germany,” Chomsky told me when I called him at his office in Cambridge, Mass. “The parallels are striking. There was also tremendous disillusionment with the parliamentary system. The most striking fact about Weimar was not that the Nazis managed to destroy the Social Democrats and the Communists but that the traditional parties, the Conservative and Liberal parties, were hated and disappeared. It left a vacuum which the Nazis very cleverly and intelligently managed to take over.”
“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen,” Chomsky went on. “Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.”
“I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime,” Chomsky added. “I am old enough to remember the 1930s. My whole family was unemployed. There were far more desperate conditions than today. But it was hopeful. People had hope. The CIO was organizing. No one wants to say it anymore but the Communist Party was the spearhead for labor and civil rights organizing. Even things like giving my unemployed seamstress aunt a week in the country. It was a life. There is nothing like that now. The mood of the country is frightening. The level of anger, frustration and hatred of institutions is not organized in a constructive way. It is going off into self-destructive fantasies.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25259.htm
In short the Democrats couldn't organize a beer party among drunks never mind organize anything as passionately driven as a fascist movement! The Liberals are already neutered so all you demagogue lovers can relax.
Posted on Sep 12, 2010
AP / Elise Amendola
By Chris Hedges
There are no longer any major institutions in American society, including the press, the educational system, the financial sector, labor unions, the arts, religious institutions and our dysfunctional political parties, which can be considered democratic. The intent, design and function of these institutions, controlled by corporate money, are to bolster the hierarchical and anti-democratic power of the corporate state. These institutions, often mouthing liberal values, abet and perpetuate mounting inequality. They operate increasingly in secrecy. They ignore suffering or sacrifice human lives for profit. They control and manipulate all levers of power and mass communication. They have muzzled the voices and concerns of citizens. They use entertainment, celebrity gossip and emotionally laden public-relations lies to seduce us into believing in a Disneyworld fantasy of democracy.
The menace we face does not come from the insane wing of the Republican Party, which may make huge inroads in the coming elections, but the institutions tasked with protecting democratic participation. Do not fear Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. Do not fear the tea party movement, the birthers, the legions of conspiracy theorists or the militias. Fear the underlying corporate power structure, which no one, from Barack Obama to the right-wing nut cases who pollute the airwaves, can alter. If the hegemony of the corporate state is not soon broken we will descend into a technologically enhanced age of barbarism.
Investing emotional and intellectual energy in electoral politics is a waste of time. Resistance means a radical break with the formal structures of American society. We must cut as many ties with consumer society and corporations as possible. We must build a new political and economic consciousness centered on the tangible issues of sustainable agriculture, self-sufficiency and radical environmental reform. The democratic system, and the liberal institutions that once made piecemeal reform possible, is dead. It exists only in name. It is no longer a viable mechanism for change. And the longer we play our scripted and absurd role in this charade the worse it will get. Do not pity Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. They will get what they deserve. They sold the citizens out for cash and power. They lied. They manipulated and deceived the public, from the bailouts to the abandonment of universal health care, to serve corporate interests. They refused to halt the wanton corporate destruction of the ecosystem on which all life depends. They betrayed the most basic ideals of democracy. And they, as much as the Republicans, are the problem.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/do_not_pity_the_democrats_20100913/
Noam Chomsky Has ‘Never Seen Anything Like This’
By Chris Hedges
April 19, 2010 "Truthdig" -- Noam Chomsky is America’s greatest intellectual. His massive body of work, which includes nearly 100 books, has for decades deflated and exposed the lies of the power elite and the myths they perpetrate. Chomsky has done this despite being blacklisted by the commercial media, turned into a pariah by the academy and, by his own admission, being a pedantic and at times slightly boring speaker. He combines moral autonomy with rigorous scholarship, a remarkable grasp of detail and a searing intellect. He curtly dismisses our two-party system as a mirage orchestrated by the corporate state, excoriates the liberal intelligentsia for being fops and courtiers and describes the drivel of the commercial media as a form of “brainwashing.” And as our nation’s most prescient critic of unregulated capitalism, globalization and the poison of empire, he enters his 81st year warning us that we have little time left to save our anemic democracy.
“It is very similar to late Weimar Germany,” Chomsky told me when I called him at his office in Cambridge, Mass. “The parallels are striking. There was also tremendous disillusionment with the parliamentary system. The most striking fact about Weimar was not that the Nazis managed to destroy the Social Democrats and the Communists but that the traditional parties, the Conservative and Liberal parties, were hated and disappeared. It left a vacuum which the Nazis very cleverly and intelligently managed to take over.”
“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen,” Chomsky went on. “Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.”
“I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime,” Chomsky added. “I am old enough to remember the 1930s. My whole family was unemployed. There were far more desperate conditions than today. But it was hopeful. People had hope. The CIO was organizing. No one wants to say it anymore but the Communist Party was the spearhead for labor and civil rights organizing. Even things like giving my unemployed seamstress aunt a week in the country. It was a life. There is nothing like that now. The mood of the country is frightening. The level of anger, frustration and hatred of institutions is not organized in a constructive way. It is going off into self-destructive fantasies.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25259.htm
In short the Democrats couldn't organize a beer party among drunks never mind organize anything as passionately driven as a fascist movement! The Liberals are already neutered so all you demagogue lovers can relax.
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Apparently I'm further left, but more Authoritarian than you are
I tend to view centralized government as a neccessary evil for keeping people honest and the environment clean, because lets face it, 90% of the people out there would stab each other in the back to get a leg up.
I guess that makes me a cynical left libetarian :/
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38
In fact I suspect that in truth I'm actually closer to the center than that, because there were a number of questions where my most honest or accurate answer would have been "I don't care".
Would anybody like to be called an authoritarian?
I read somewhere that the first of this type of chart with the libertarian to Authoritarian axis and the liberal to conservative axis and accompanying questionnaire was made by somebody (forget the name) libertarian and was sort of libertarian propaganda.
I seem to recall something similar - most people's position on the compass is likely to vary dependent on which questions are asked - I'm to the right on some issues, toward the centre on others, authoritarian on a few issues and libertarian on others - so the right ( or wrong) set of questions could easily distort the result.
I usually end up a little right of centre and a smidgeon towards libertarian
You're not supposed to capitalise sic, it isn't an acronym. Also, your linear spectrum is rubbish. It' just as easy to argue that national socialism is a far right ideology as it is a far left one.
Second or third time this has been pointed out to him - if that says anything.
I don't mind the tag.
I may wind up on the libertarian side of things at heart, but I believe that the average person is too stupid and uninformed to make informed choices about some things, and I also believe that humans are inately greedy and self centered, and in an un-structured environment would be quite happy to screw over the guy next door to get a leg up.
The first thing I would do if elected president of the world would be to institute some very tyranical laws, giving me absolute power, on the proviso that if I can't make things better in 50 years, feel free to execute me.
Fraggle Rocker: "Keep the discourse CIVIL. This is a place of science and scholarship, or at least it will be when I'm finished. "
Stop it, Fraggle! You're killin' me. ("Science and scholarship". Good one!)
"Idiot-simple" - how scientific and scholarly.
Pay attention. I'll repeat.
The graph provides a compelling schematic of political ideologies.
That is the primary point made.
Now we can debate whether or not Barack Obama is a flaming liberal, but his attempt to socialize medicine, his incredible takeover of General Motors, his expansion of government to an unprecedented degree, his background at the feet of radical Saul Alinksy, and his association with a radical terrorist Bill Ayers are evidence of his position on the far left side of the spectrum, nearest socialists and fascists.
You are trying to bring in the tired red herring and strawman by changing the subject to Dick Armey. He has nothing to do with this.
Zero.
Stick with the graph, and Barack Obama.
Incidentally, who is the most communist-anarchist in history, nirakar?
How can you control the proletariat without iron-fist laws and ruthless enforcement?
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I'd say I'm liberal.
I voted Obama. I'll probably have to vote Ron Paul in 2012 depending on who his running mate is.
I support making a loan to GM, but, I'd definitely like to see heads roll at the company. Mainly because it's tied to about 1 million US jobs and if it is possible to get the ball rolling again then I'd prefer to see that happen.
I support some sort of national medicine simply because the system is being gamed. There are not enough medical schools (we'll have to expand the ones we have and build many more). Once the supply and demand is sorted then I'd be more inclined to let market forces in the front seat, but, until then no. Probably need to expose the AMA and their lobbyists in Washington. The fact is, it's not about health now, it's about money and only about money.
I supported letting the Banks fail. I'd like to see people in jail as there was a lot of criminal activity. I feel the White House is literally be run by GoldmanSux and the Fed (which are two appendages of the same animal). A recent bill was up that wanted to look into and possibly prosecute the heads of failed banks. Note it says "failed" banks. This is classic propaganda. It written in a way that makes the public thing the WH is doing something but lets off the Goldies, Fed, Citi, JPM, etc... in essence, it lets the criminals walk free.
I support people's rights to own firearms. I don't, but I recognize that people love their guns and that's OK with me.
I'd like to see the Fed Income tax abolished.
and etc...
I fall around the Dali Lama as well.
I voted Obama. I'll probably have to vote Ron Paul in 2012 depending on who his running mate is.
I support making a loan to GM, but, I'd definitely like to see heads roll at the company. Mainly because it's tied to about 1 million US jobs and if it is possible to get the ball rolling again then I'd prefer to see that happen.
I support some sort of national medicine simply because the system is being gamed. There are not enough medical schools (we'll have to expand the ones we have and build many more). Once the supply and demand is sorted then I'd be more inclined to let market forces in the front seat, but, until then no. Probably need to expose the AMA and their lobbyists in Washington. The fact is, it's not about health now, it's about money and only about money.
I supported letting the Banks fail. I'd like to see people in jail as there was a lot of criminal activity. I feel the White House is literally be run by GoldmanSux and the Fed (which are two appendages of the same animal). A recent bill was up that wanted to look into and possibly prosecute the heads of failed banks. Note it says "failed" banks. This is classic propaganda. It written in a way that makes the public thing the WH is doing something but lets off the Goldies, Fed, Citi, JPM, etc... in essence, it lets the criminals walk free.
I support people's rights to own firearms. I don't, but I recognize that people love their guns and that's OK with me.
I'd like to see the Fed Income tax abolished.
and etc...
I fall around the Dali Lama as well.
One of my friends and I noticed that there was an agenda in the test when we were discussing it this weekend. As an agorist, he had a hard time even starting the test.
It's a very astute point. But then, everyone has an agenda.One wonders, even people that support voting, the ones that say, "no matter who you vote for, vote?" they are stateists, and their agenda and the test's are the same.
One of my friends and I noticed that there was an agenda in the test when we were discussing it this weekend. As an agorist, he had a hard time even starting the test.
One wonders, even people that support voting, the ones that say, "no matter who you vote for, vote?" they are stateists, and their agenda and the test's are the same.
Yeah, I had wondered about that (there were a number of points where I was sitting there thinking well WTF do I answer here?)