Faith beyond Political Correctness:Islam’s Commitment to Humanity

[DoctorNO]

Let me list a couple of examples for "(Blind)Faith beyond Political Correctness"

1. Afghanistan
2. Saudi Arabia
3. Pakistan
4. Libya

Faith beyond Political Correctness is the reason these prevail...
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Quran 4:34 "...As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them , refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means : For Allah is Most High, great.

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The former hands of a thief who now have totally lost the ability to make a living.

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Beaten to death for being a Hindu

 

[JesusisLord51]

You are mislead.

I want you to read through the book of Romans before you post another message like that. This is the book that most explains the Christian doctrines.

 

[JesusisLord51]

You are mislead.

I want you to read through the book of Romans before you post another message like that. This is the book that most explains the Christian doctrines.

Yours in Christ,

Kevin

 

[DoctorNO]

You are mislead.

I want you to read through the book of Romans before you post another message like that. This is the book that most explains the Christian doctrines.

Yours in Christ,

Kevin

Who are you talking to, buddy?

 

[munim_786]

Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause. The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term jihad literally means 'struggle', and Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace.


But set thou thy face to the right Religion before there come from Allah the Day which there is no chance of averting: on that Day shall men be divided (in two). al-Qur'an 30:43

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith.

I would never try to compare Islam with Christianlity. Christianity has not ever come near the level and way of existance of Islam and moreover never will. There is ugliness and 'no sense' in Christianity. Don't try to cover up the truth...

I'm not making any of this up, and since I've previously seen that you need back up information and things like that, then go here for your 'proof',
FAQ's ...
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm

 

[munim_786]

next there are Christians who have killed, burnt alive, tortured, humilated other people IN THE NAME OF GOD.

1) ever heard of a crusade?
2) ever heard of Christians killing so called "witches"
3) ever heard of gay priest (which are against Christinaty of course!) being persecuted
4) ever heard of Christians killing doctors who perform abortions
5) ever heard of Chritsians killing prostitutes (Usually "in the name of God")
6) ever heard of kings and queen burning alive other religions (at time even different sects in their own Christian religion such as Queen Mary and such as Henry VI persecution)
7) dont you know people you thought about science were burnt alive by the church?

ever heard of Christians (americans) helping Israel by supplying money for WEAPONS
to maintain their state which by even thier OWN law (UN, NATO and US) is ILLEGAL becasue it is supporting the oppression of a captured state and promoting ethinic divsion by means of a wall.

ever heard of Bush (a firm christian) lying to the world that iraq has wepons of mass desturction and is a threat to the world. later it has a war resulting in 10,000 iraqis dying, 13,000 Iraqi soldiers dying, 500 american soldiers dying and then revelaing that Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction and forgeting the fact that it is the Christian majority country, America that has over 10,500 nukes, stelath bombers, laser defemce missiles and the only country ever to use a Nuke and also has the most pwerful, accurate, advance nukes.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE of one lying, hypocritical Christian, even thiough he represents hundreds of millions Christians, i still dont call all Christians hypocrites etc. but you see a few individula Muslims and blame everyone.

 

[munim_786]

Dear Biblebashers

many of the Christians belliefs about Jesus dont go anyway. but the Muslim ones make more sense.

these are some Christian errors about Jesu and the answers.

Jesus died on the cross - so where's the cross he died on, dont you think such a imporntant person like Jesus should have his death site kept and why didnt the universe collpase when Jesus died... the answer is simple Muslims believe he didn;t die on a cross he was raised to heaven. also Jesus's body hs Dissapeard. the answer also fits in with Muslim beliefs.

he was ressurected - only God can casue death and give life so if Jesus is God in human form who gave him life and death and ressurection. and why didnt the universe collpase without God? simple becasue he never died.

why did he die? - christians say the point of him dying was to forgive man of sins. why does he need to askhimself for mankinds forgiveness, and it is even stated in the Bible that every soul is responsivle for their OWN sin so Jesus's death is pointless. simple, the answer to this is the Muslim one, he never died,

is he son of God? - a human son takes on Human characteristiucs; life;death;senses etc. so wouldn't a son of God take God's chracterristcs? then is Death one of Gods Characteristcs?

 

[DoctorNO]

Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause. The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term jihad literally means 'struggle', and Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace.

The only problem is that muslims have a different understanding of the words:
* Peace
* Fight
* Self-defense

They see every piece of land as belonging to them muslims. So if a nation refused to accept islam that equates to fighting islam, thus fighting them muslims. And so muslims think they have to defend their right to rule that land and so....

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  SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

And the rest is history.
The fall of Persia.
The fall of Syria
The fall of Egypt
The fall of India
The fall of Spain
The fall of Byzantine.
The fall of Jerusalem.

Thank goodness that muslims (with the help of the false god allah) were defeated by Charles Martel in their conquest of France.

 

[DoctorNO]

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people.

Funny, nobody told those prophets to say the Shahada. No those prophets had nothing to do with Islam.

For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life.

You must be joking. Islam doesnt even dictate the ascendance of the Caliphate. That is why your caliphs keep ending up at the end of a sword. Lucky for Abu Bakr that he died too soon of old age. Unlucky for the rest who bathed in their own blood.

Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith.

Here is the jackpot question:
HOW ON EARTH DOES ISLAM QUALIFIES AS A RELIGION OF PEACE???

Christianity has not ever come near the level and way of existance of Islam and moreover never will. There is ugliness and 'no sense' in Christianity. Don't try to cover up the truth...

Another joke? Just look around you and compare the lives & accomplishments of those two. Even Hinduism is proving to be above Islam. A shame isnt it?

 

[Vienna]

Proud Muslim

bath has quoted some very disturbing quotations from muslims via paltalk. Now, these quotes are instructing muslims of today to become martyrs, etc, etc. Nowhere in the Bible will you find an equivalent.

Will you please explain why muslims are encouraging other muslims to kill in the name of Islam, and don't bother side stepping the issue by quoting the bible , because this time it doesn't wash, furthermore it doesn't matter.

Take a look at this from todays telegraph, the Muslim council of Great Britain has been on the news all day, and a programme dedicated to them was televised last night. They talk of being anti terrorism and claim they are calling for all mosques to exercise greater vigilance about what might be being preached by fanatics.

How we can win this war against home-grown terror

"Operation Crevice, launched by the security services on Tuesday, may have pre-empted a home-grown Islamist conspiracy to cause death and destruction.

Eight young Muslims, all British-born citizens of Pakistani descent, have been detained.

Tuesday's arrests in Britain have highlighted the Muslim Council of Great Britain's own recent calls for our thousand mosques to exercise greater vigilance about what might be being preached by fanatics."

Now all this talk via Paltalk makes the Muslim Council of Great Britain a bunch of liars.

So whats going on Proud?

 

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HOW ON EARTH DOES ISLAM QUALIFIES AS A RELIGION OF PEACE???

Islam IS a religion of peace for MUSLIMS it is a religion of hatred and violence for everybody else. Join our cult or suffer hellfire, jihad, ostracism, dhimmi tax, reduced status in the eyes of the law etc etc

 

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Now all this talk via Paltalk makes the Muslim Council of Great Britain a bunch of liars.
So whats going on Proud?

They are only praticing islam as prescribed by thier holy text you can and should LIE to kafirs. Refer to my post earlier in this thread about Taqyya or LYING IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

 

[Vienna]

They are only praticing islam as prescribed by thier holy text you can and should LIE to kafirs. Refer to my post earlier in this thread about Taqyya or LYING IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

Hmmm I see.

I initially missed that post for some reason. You have pointed out a very important fact here that muslims will lie to "protect" their "faith".

All your qoutes go unchalleged by Proud Muslim which to me only confirms the truth behind them.

The more I learn about Islam and its sub-human members - the more I hate it. There are many people in the world who do not understand how potentially dangerous Islam is, and by discussing it here we can hopefully show Islam in its true light - "the most evil organisation in the world today".

 

[JesusisLord51]

Indeed, I opened my heart to read about LOVE in the bible, here is what I found:

EZEKIEL 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."

2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.

2KI NGS5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy.

CANNIBALISM IN THE BIBLE:

2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

2KINGS 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain.

2KINGS 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father.

2KINGS 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.

2KINGS 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...."

2KINGS 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.

2KINGS 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.

2KINGS 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."

2KINGS 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.

2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

2CHRONICLES 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.

2CHRONICLES 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.

PSALMS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle

ISAIAH 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's toeat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.

EZEKIEL 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."

EZEKIEL 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.

EZEKIEL 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.

EZEKIEL 23:25,47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores. (( collective punishment in the bible !! )) SO MUCH LOVE INDEED !!

INFANTS SHALL BE DASHED IN PIECES !!! IMMENSE CHRISTIAN LOVE

HOSEA 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

MATTHEW 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.

After reading the above verses from the bible, I came to conclusion that christianity is false sect based on false promises and lies, and before you tell me JESUS LOVES YOU, I will tell you and I love him too because I am Muslim.

Here is my invitation to you to abandon your false sect called christianity and join the only true religion: ISLAM

http://www.jesus-or-allah.com

You ALMOST made a good point. But here are your fatal errors -

1. Although you don't believe this way, the Jews are God's chosen people because they are the descendants of Isaac. We won't get into that. But when God lead his people out of Babylonian oppression, to start the Jewish state, it was directly ordered by God to destroy all that was there, because if the Jews didn't annihilate the Babylonians, then A. they could strike back later, and B. They would influence the Jews to worship idols and commit adultery, etc. If you were Allah, and you wanted the creation of a Muslim state to glorify you, would you want Jews hanging around to persuade your people otherwise? This is God's logic, and this is also why it speaks of this in Kings 1+2.

2. You didn't search the Bible for love. If you did, the verses you would have found would not have fit on this page. You looked for the verses that you percieve as hate.

3. These cannabalism passages are parts of stories that have a moral: GOD DESPISES IT. I give you no credit for leaving out the parts that condemn it shortly before or after. In a court case, the old oath goes "I swear to tell the truth, THE WHOLE TRUTH, and nothing but the truth." You left out the whole truth.

4. God hates slavery. But he had to allow it because in those times, without slaves, the society would perish.

Christian love is not hate. Keep that in mind.

Yours in Christ,

Kevin

 

[firdroirich]

This goes out to all muslims, in the Quran it says "Every nation has a Warner", such is the power of Allah that "a prophet was sent in every tongue" - so I will ask you again as in another thread you willingly overlooked the question, - if the objective will be reached to all in their tongue why then must we turn from the tongue we know? - so that religion may be interpreted to us by men? Only to get the same message, that we must not kill, must not lie.....There can only be 1 source & if you arrive at the sea you do not talk of the tributary, so at this great sea of Islam why is there so much talk of tributaries, in an ocean of waves, why are you saying, "we are waves", when you are infact "ocean"
Muhammed said, more than once, that he was merely continuing what was started long before his time, that he brought no new religion, I think many Muslims/Christians/Jews may not truly understand the depth of their own books, I cannot challenge your faith but your interpretation of it I question, like the book of the Christians it is written in the spirit of men who we would call mystics - they are not named this for no reason , you have to immerse yourself in the water to get the pearl, it is not given to you.

This I have seen from the men of your lineage, these are the words of Islam, I do not insult you with them, I remind.

 

[Proud_Muslim]

Proud Muslim

bath has quoted some very disturbing quotations from muslims via paltalk. Now, these quotes are instructing muslims of today to become martyrs, etc, etc. Nowhere in the Bible will you find an equivalent.

Vienna, those are not muslims they are AL MUHAJIRON, those who follow the one eyed pirate and his 200 gang.

I am very active on paltalk.com, most muslims there are very moderate, only those muhajiron scumbags.

Will you please explain why muslims are encouraging other muslims to kill in the name of Islam, and don't bother side stepping the issue by quoting the bible , because this time it doesn't wash, furthermore it doesn't matter.

Vienna, are muslims killing ?? there are about 2 billion muslim in the world, did you see them raising up and killing anyone ???

Those who are doing the bombings are not muslims, they are WAHHABIS.

Take a look at this from todays telegraph, the Muslim council of Great Britain has been on the news all day, and a programme dedicated to them was televised last night. They talk of being anti terrorism and claim they are calling for all mosques to exercise greater vigilance about what might be being preached by fanatics.

How we can win this war against home-grown terror

At least we the moderate Muslims are doing our bit, ever asked yourself why there was no such phenomena as islamic terrorism before the 1980s ??? it is all to do with the sheer injustices the west inflict on Muslims.

Now all this talk via Paltalk makes the Muslim Council of Great Britain a bunch of liars.

So whats going on Proud?

What else can we do?? did the POPE prevented Hitler from killing millions of innocent people ?????????????????

 

[Proud_Muslim]

Funny, nobody told those prophets to say the Shahada. No those prophets had nothing to do with Islam.

Muslim is someone who submit his will to Allah almighty, you dont even have the basics about islam !!

You must be joking. Islam doesnt even dictate the ascendance of the Caliphate. That is why your caliphs keep ending up at the end of a sword. Lucky for Abu Bakr that he died too soon of old age. Unlucky for the rest who bathed in their own blood.

Again, amazing display of IGNORANCE....the prophet (pbuh ) told his companions that ABU BAKR should take charge after him.

Here is the jackpot question:
HOW ON EARTH DOES ISLAM QUALIFIES AS A RELIGION OF PEACE???

AND HERE IS THE JACKPOT ANSWER:

Some examples of Muslim tolerance:

If we believe the testimony of Salman ben Yeruham, A Karaite Jewish author, writing about A.D. 950, the Muslims granted the Jews access to Jerusalem and its holy sites. Salman wrote:


"As it is known, Jerusalem remained under the rule of the Rum [the Byzantines] for more than 500 years, during which they [the Jews] were not able to enter Jerusalem. Anyone who was discovered entering was killed. When by the mercy of the God of Israel the Rum departed from us and the kingdom of Ishmael [the Arabs] appeared, the Jews were granted permission to enter and reside there."

During the reign of Saladin this traditional Islamic tolerance continued. Conversely, when the Crusaders entered Jerusalem, they burned the Jews in their synagogue.

From 1099 to 1189, Jews were not allowed to live in the city. But with the Muslim repossession of Jerusalem, Jews were allowed to return. The Spanish poet Yehuda al-Harizi, who was in Jerusalem in 1207, described the significance for the Jews of the recovery of Jerusalem by Saladin:

[ In A.D. 1190] God aroused the spirit of the prince of the Ishmaelites [Saladin], a prudent and courageous man, who came with his entire army, besieged Jerusalem, took it and had it proclaimed throughout the country that he would receive and accept the entire race of Ephraim, wherever they came from. And so we came from all comers of the world to take up residence here. We now live here in the shadow of peace.

Further testament to Saladin's tolerance comes from the eminent German Jewish historian of the Nineteenth Century, Heinrich Graetz. In his Geschichte der Juden [History of the Jews], vol. 11, published in 1853, he states that the Sultan, "opened the whole kingdom to the persecuted Jews, so they came to it, seeking security and finding justice.''

Source: The Arab American ROMAN CATHOLIC community.

http://www.al-bushra.org/jerusalem1/jerhist.htm

 

[Proud_Muslim]

Islam IS a religion of peace for MUSLIMS it is a religion of hatred and violence for everybody else. Join our cult or suffer hellfire, jihad, ostracism, dhimmi tax, reduced status in the eyes of the law etc etc

Christianity is really the religion of Peace, let us read from the Bible:

2KI NGS2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.

2KINGS 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him." DISGUSTING !!

2KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

EZEKIEL 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."

EZEKIEL 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."

EZEKIEL 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.

EZEKIEL 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.

EZEKIEL 23:25,47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores.

HOSEA 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

MATTHEW 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.

http://www.evilbible.com

 

[DoctorNO]

Muslim is someone who submit his will to Allah almighty, you dont even have the basics about islam !!

Ah but those older prophets called their God "YHVH", not "Allah". They have nothing to do with the false religion called Islam.

Again, amazing display of IGNORANCE....the prophet (pbuh ) told his companions that ABU BAKR should take charge after him.

That was only a rumor. Its not on paper. Its not in the quran.

Some examples of Muslim tolerance:

If we believe the testimony of Salman ben Yeruham, A Karaite Jewish author, writing about A.D. 950, the Muslims granted the Jews access to Jerusalem and its holy sites. Salman wrote:


"As it is known, Jerusalem remained under the rule of the Rum [the Byzantines] for more than 500 years, during which they [the Jews] were not able to enter Jerusalem. Anyone who was discovered entering was killed. When by the mercy of the God of Israel the Rum departed from us and the kingdom of Ishmael [the Arabs] appeared, the Jews were granted permission to enter and reside there."

During the reign of Saladin this traditional Islamic tolerance continued. Conversely, when the Crusaders entered Jerusalem, they burned the Jews in their synagogue.

From 1099 to 1189, Jews were not allowed to live in the city. But with the Muslim repossession of Jerusalem, Jews were allowed to return. The Spanish poet Yehuda al-Harizi, who was in Jerusalem in 1207, described the significance for the Jews of the recovery of Jerusalem by Saladin:

So? Jews were allowed back but that doesn’t mean they lived in peace without oppression. In fact muslims were only LESS BRUTAL than the Christians. Muslims oppressed both Christians & Jews under their rule by the PACT OF UMAR which dhimmified those poor people. Islam in the past was the lesser of two evils.

 

[mario]

Ah yes, moralitiy. "What we all...need now...is love...sweet love...dooo do dooo do dooo do". Until the next big meteor comes crashing into earth sending us all flying into oblivion.

Praise be to (insert god of your choice here)