Saquist said:
However Science informing me that God does not exist, I think I'll reserve that conclusion for my own council. There has been a long history of men of science appreicating God's existence. Those men are well know.
Science can say nothing about God. This is not the point. I will cut and past from a previous post of mine, that you obviously have not read:
BenTheMan said:
No tests can be conducted to decide if God exists. No human logic could ever understand God. Scientists are in the business of applying human logic to human observation---God cannot be observed and is outside the realm of human logic, therefore scientists shouldn't be in the business of talking about God. Specifically, the theory of evolution is not inconsistent with a God directing all of the choices---as per (Baron Max's) original post. You must realize that this is a philosophical question, and not a scientific one.
The removal of God from science was a long and arduous task, and hopefully humans will never make the mistake again of resorting to God when they are too lazy or confused to answer the question properly. Science has no business describing God, just as religous people have no business calling their beliefs science.
The point is that evolution is the scientific theory which explains natural phenomena which we can observe. God is not observable, and so we cannot use "God did it" as a scientific (or logical, or consistent....) conclusion. To claim otherwise is a logically corrupt and indeffensible opinion.
Science isn't telling you that God doesn't exist, it is only telling you that a belief in God is not required to understand the natural world.
Saquist said:
While science today is quite eagar to abandon God and write off thousands of years of written history as myth and fairtales, they'll have to do far better than that to convince thinking individuals.
This implies that athiests aren't thinking individuals, strictly, and can be interpretted more broadly as "Only those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal sviour have been blessed with the intelligence to understand the universe." This also implies that there is no science outside of God. But this clearly can't be the case because it was only when Europeans were removed from beneath the suffocating boot of the Catholic Church that science was able to advance. Is this what you mean?
I submit that evolution is not inconsistent with belief in God (a view that I have held since I was 12, when I first studied this problem), as the study of evolution and the study of religion are (necessarily) two separate endeavors. Evolution is
made inconsistent with a belief in God by Christians who willfully (and perhaps knowingly) blur the line between the two questions. (If you would like to have a debate about why God must be bound by the laws of physics, then you should start another thread.) Any belief in "divinely inspired creation" is trivially the same as any evolutionary theory that you read in the scientific literature.
And you still haven't qualified your statements that evolution is a worthless theory. Instead of plugging your ears and singing "How Great thou Art", maybe you could actually address the issues here, perhaps with some divinely inspired Solomonesque wisdom that will save us hellbound agnostics from sure damnation.