No I got an idea☺.
Your not gunna talk me outta vat.
I know what I got and have not got.
And I know what we have not got here in this thread we aint got any evidence unless you got something new.
But so far we aint got zip.
I got my idea reading stuff here and noting that all your talk about asking yhe mob was a pretty sad attempt of proving there is a god...we pulled you up and sadly you dug your hole deeper...
Unfortunate is when you aint got an idea and conned by religion.
Unfortunate is when you sit on the fence proclaiming you have no belief one way or the other when a little research would have you at least an atheist maybe even better...an eternalist.
I actually respect you and your views.
Look how about you stop talking about me and let someone else talk about me☺.
I think I got respect from showing I got a kind heart and got the inoccence of a young child...not to mention the thinking capacity of a young child...well almost got that much.
I havent been very well myself..are you taking anything for it..what are the symptoms beside indecision and professed confusion?
Not being able to muster enough logic to realise asking a mob for an opinion is totally unreliable.
I played a devils advocate and gave a statistical method known as "The Wisdom of the Crowds".
And I applaude you for drawing attention to it but unfortunately most everyone wont buy it.
So what else have you got.
This argument does not work for Atheists. It only works for Agnostics.
Yes but that does not mean agnostics are stupid just because they fall for stupid ideas.
What else have you got.
According to Atheists there is NO "god" period.
Actually the position of a true atheist is not to say there is no God but to express no belief in a God and to say to those who claim there is a God to establish their claim.
Me I am not really an atheist but an eternalist ..a person who realises the universe is eternal and requires no creator and so there is no need to deny something that can not possibly exist.
What else have you got?
Agnosticism says we do not know the answer
Well you have it now...I just gave you the answer to everything...the universe is eternal which means there could never have been a creator...
What more do you need.
If someone claims the universe is not eternal demand that show why it is not eternal...they cant case closed...no creator.
Look I know you think the mob idea is cool but for an eternalist it makes no sence...why ask a question when we already know the answer...the universe is eternal and so there can be no creator...
Why ask about somethingvthat cant exist.
Well I have got an idea I told you that already.
Look if you are fair dinkcum and genuinely interested in why folk get tied up with the superstitious nonsence we call religion then look into Sun worship and how with the application of astrology the ancients invented many human gods with similar attributes to the stars and the Sun.
JC was one of many suggesting syrongly that he was just made up...
I think your agnostism needs to confront some facts and when you have looked at all the history then no doubt you will become an atheist or better still an eternalist.
I like using "got" because as a kid it was drummed into us not to use that word and out of school we did...I have a funny view on grammar in so far as I disregard it and go to great lengths to talk in the casual way all us Aussies do when talking to mates...So Imm gunna say got when I wantta.
I spent many years re writing the Judges orders from their short notes to redraft them into the formal orders in perfect style.
Do you think I knew my stuff or just winged it...I got ot wired.
I drafted (as oppossed using a precedent template) a complete set of Memorandum and Articles of Association and whatever because there was no precedent for the sort of company that I was incorporating... I cant remember if I have the full title...there is somethingvelse in their description... we just called them articles of association but there is more to what they were... but a book in effect absolutely no if or buts perfect...
I drafted the agreement for the supply of sandstone for the airport run way which was rather complex given there was no template...all my stuff...millions think it was perfect or not...me against seven company lawyers...I got it you see.
And I never got to use got..ever.
Stuff good grammar ..its how you communicate and make your point.
If I talked legalise no one would understand me..it took years to perfect communication to ordinary folk and kids.
Further when I would speak proppa no one understood what the stuff I was talking about.
If I need to I probably can do it better than most...but I just want to be a mug and have folk listen and have my point burnt into their head.
Anyways you must look into history outside the small slice you seem to have invested all your effort into.
Have you looked at the Summarians...so much of the bible stories seem to come from them...very interesting and the best part is they talk direct to us thru their clay tablets...none of this handed down handed down written in Greek Latin Hebrew ammended edited etc etc....you get the real deal.
I strongly believe if you actually studied the subject you would drop your pussy position of an each way bet.
And admit it ..asking a mob is of little use...
What has happened is someone needed an interesting topic for a book or university project and came up with the idea...that happens all the time and you end up with so much researched crap you can find authority for anything...heck I saw a paper on how bed bugs tend to be bigger when they exist in a small population...who cares...who knows if that is correct..who would bother doing research to prove them wrong...and you ask the mob thing ..just bevause its writyen someplace does not mean it right...if you are that convinced do follow up tesearch...me I would not waste the time...but bottom line you seem to be defending there is a god side really...well it wont get anywhere with me...present, as devils advocate, something for the other side of your agnostic position... Give me somecreasons why there may not be a god...I bet you wont..and I bet you wont look at the multiple human gods building on astrology...that is not being agnostic when you refuse to look outside your selected part of history.
Alex