No problems Jan.
We are falible and just because you are does not erode my respect for you.
And I add that I am fallible so please take it that I dont presume to judge you.
Your defence of a position that cant be defended gains my respect if for no other reason than you strive to maintain your undefendable position.
I would love to find there is a God and that the fate of the world is not in my hands☺ but as he does not show himself you can see why I feel I need to help folk such as yourself find enlightenment.
I have been sitting here bathing in my enlightenment which is sortta selfish when folk like you still need help to find the path to truth and reality.
But I am just a man and I cant do more than a man can manage.
Still I ask myself should I show the path to enlightenment to folk who are unable to set out on their own... free from the superstitions that they obviously need to maintain some control in their unguided existence.
I have appeared too early in your journey no doubt but later say in twenty years my observations may help you find enlightenment and when you do I say it is you that has found enlightenment rather than me showing it to you.
I have high hopes for you Jan.
You are intelligent and worthy of respect so I just know you will at least arrive at the truth on your death bed and that will be nice knowing as life leaves you that one of your final recollections will be of me ..the only human who has been entirely honest with you. ..and I seek no thanks because all I want is to free one person from the oppression which is the god story.
As you realise you are dieing I will be in your thoughts and I say that is when you will find the strength to manage the lack of meaning to your existence in the sense that you seek.
Please dont fear death it is no more than a full stop on a wonderful life...it is where the story ends for each of us...but at least you were here for a short time...no one will remember you when all here have died but really does that detract from the time you were here Jan.
I dont even know if you are Jan or that a Jan is real but for those looking on the entity of Jan did exist until they also die.
That's your default.
Otherwise why develop a term 'atheist'.
The role of superstition in the evolution of humans is interesting.
Superstition may be the thing that protected us from extinction. .. and so we must respect what it has enabled the species to achieve.
I look for a time where we can be all we can be and think rationally and throw off superstition and somehow take responsibility for ourselves that currently most humans reject.
The crutches humans rely upon one day may be gone and at that point what will we achieve.
That's your default.
Otherwise why develop a term 'atheist'.
I dont like the term atheist because I find myself drawn to a position that is unreal. No God has been established for me to reject.
A non event.
Why should I bother to address the made up stories when it is simply a non event.
I must reject a notion that presents without foundation...I chose now to ignore theist claims and the universe is still real.
That is why I must simply say sure if you want a God have one but know that you believe in something that you have invented and know that position does not address reality.
That's just a reason that contributes to your atheism.
I feel my observation is simply an observation and when I think it through my atheism is no more than the default setting for a rational human.
That's just a reason that contributes to your atheism.
Does your avoidance to the propostion laid before you not alert you to anything?
Its not about winning an arguement Jan ...it is about finding the truth and exposing the nonsence that seeks to control us through lies and fear.
Its all made up, it is implemented to control the masses...the fact you surrender to the control is unfortunate but you could do better...
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What is the ''god story''?
A loose terminology to describe the grouping of various stories where a made up God is created in the absence of fact and observation.
All the camp fires stories from the bronze age where inquisitive minds put forward speculation upon creation and the meaning of life.
Humans want answers and a bad answer is rated as superiour to a no answer or an honest "I dont know" and so nonsence will be regarded as better than an honest realisation that we actually not only dont know but probably can never know.
I find the arrogance of humans professing they are informed when they are ignorant sickening beyond description.
But I can understand that you don't.
Thank you for accepting my position.
But I do Jan.
I am a careing person.
Do you think it makes me happy to see folk conned and pressured by fear of a non existent hell to opt for mindless subserviance to a non existent entity.
I dont like to see folk conned that is my bottom line.
Your just frustrated because you cannot gain control of the situation
I have no need to control anything.
That is my power.
The game runs without me being there... but the fact you choose such words indicates that it is perhaps you that feel a lack of control or perhaps even the need to consider control is indeed an issue.
It is not.
Alex