Humans differ from animals in that we have willpower and choice. We can mimimic any behavior and call it natural, so you can't depend on propaganda to help us decide what is natural.
Tell me wellwisher, did you choose to be born gay?
There is a simple litmus test that can differentiate natural from unnatural. If you buy natural foods, for these to be natural, requires that there be no artificial additives or preservatives. Natural human behavior should use the same definition. Like in nature, it should be self sustaining and should not require anything artificial to sustain or preserve it, since these is not observed or required anywhere in nature.
Do you use a toilet and toilet paper?
Or do you live in a cave and scrape your arse on the ground after doing your number two's? You know, naturally and without any artificial additives or preservatives. Do you hunt your meat and eat it raw, au naturel? Or do you put stuff on it and cook it?
I can say it is natural to eat rocks since chickens do this in nature. This may be natural to chickens ,since they do not require anything artificial to sustain this. But this may not work for a humans but will require extra medical support to perpetuate. This simple test would tell us this is not natural for humans, due to the needed artificial medical additives.
It is natural to chickens. Just as it is natural to humans to not use toilet paper or a toilet.
Say we have animals in a zoo, is this natural for the animals? The answer is no. It requires a lot of artificial additives via zoo keepers to sustain the animals in this contained environment. If we removed the zoo keepers ,the animals would not be self sustaining in the zoo. Much of what liberalism calls natural, requires zoo keepers and artificial additives; social costs, not found in nature.
It's not natural for you to be using a computer or living in a house either. And yet, here you are.
If homosexuality was natural, it should not require medications and condoms since these are not found in nature.
It doesn't. Just as heterosexual sex does not need condoms or medications. However if you wish to practice safe sex, gay or straight, you need to use condoms.
If you see two apes looking like they are engaging in homosexuality do they use condoms and do they vista the clinic often? The answer is these don't need anything artificial so this is natural to apes.
Slowly now. Homosexuals and straight people do not need to use anything artificial either, but choose to do so to prevent pregnancy and for safe sex. I am sure once apes evolve enough in the coming years and recognise the necessity of safe sex, they too will be able to develop some safe sex methods.
Since chimpanzees already self medicate with certain plants..... Oh noes! They aren't natural and are using medicines as well!
In the 1980's, nature was allowed to run its course, since homosexuality was calls natural, but 100,000's died of AIDS and other diseases. It became necessary to add artificial additives. You can't call something natural if it requires artificial additives to prop it up. Humans have choice and will power so choosing artificial is OK, but calling such things natural to humans is misleading.
Yep. And when you go au natural and stick your doodle in random places and end up with a flaming STD, we can tell you it is nature running its course as the warts start to grow. Or you can use your brain and use condoms.
How about we run a test where all artificial additives are discontinued and we allow nature to run its course to see what is left standing.
Then you better find a patch of soft ground to scrape your arse on each time you go to the loo.
Would the Liberals and Christians both put their choices to the test?
Personally I'd rather use a toilet. You know, be "artificial" and all.
Long ago, there were no artificial additives due to lack of science.
Chimpanzees self medicate with certain plants. You don't always need science.
I have a brilliant idea. How about you ignore science and completely retreat from it. That means no toilet, electricity, fridge, heating and air-conditioning, no clothing, soap, shampoo, no computer or internet or phone, no car or any vehicle whatsoever. You know, embrace nature without any artificial additives. Let us know how you fare after a month.
This test was run all the time, by default, and what was consistently left standing was call moral since the gods did not curse it. The immoral was a source of constant tragedy. Now we have plenty of zookeepers and propaganda to pretend this is natural. The Duck Guy did not know how to pose this challenge.
The irony of course is that you are whining about lack of 'natural', in a discussion about
a yokel who makes artificial duck callers to try to attract horny ducks.
The biggest irony, of course, is that the mallard duck callers they manufacture are for birds who often display
strong homosexual behaviour. Even to the point of
homosexual necrophilia.
Natural indeed..