Does time exist?

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Michael 345 said:
Since science seems to be going with energy in existence before the Big Bang producing particles popping in and out of existence it would appear to me the potential would be there to measures the intervals between one pop in and another.
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Since science seems to be going with the fact that energy is indestructible, only convertible, energy must be fundamental, of infinite duration. Duration is time, even if it has no beginning, so:
Can that duration be called energytime?
If there were particles virtually popping in and out of existence during that pre-BB energy-loaded time, they must have had a place to do that in, so :
Can we call that area, or era, timespace?
Then, we could have a whole universe pop or better, bang into existence in a small point (singularity) in energy time space. without violating any known laws.
 
nebel said:
Since science seems to be going with the fact that energy is indestructible, only convertible, energy must be fundamental, of infinite duration.
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Energy is an accounting system.

This much, in the form of electromagnetically radiating photons,
can be converted to
That much, in the form of momentum of a moving mass (kinetic energy)
can be converted to
that much gravitational potential of a mass in a gravity well (potential energy).

Notice, energy is always the property of something. It does not stand on its own.


Compare to
a dollar paper note
can be converted to
100 pennies.

The accounting book and exchange rate is the energy, not the coins or notes.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The accounting book and exchange rate is the energy, not the coins or notes.
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so do we have to assume then, that the universe's mass was made, converted solely from an accounting system, an (perhaps fluctuating) exchange rate?
I mean in the BB we are talking about total conversion from zero to Virgin Mass, not just a small fraction, as in our reverse nuclear efforts.
When thinking energytime, it should not be considered photons, or permittive potentials, but an ur-energy form , that while carrying the right "exchange value" is not defined by our spacetime laws or terms.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
OH MY GOD WITH THE ALMA THREAD ALREADY
IF I WANTED TO READ THAT THREAD I'D READ IT
ENOUGH WITH THE CONSTANT SHILLING ALREADY
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sorry, well, try it anyway, it has a very interesting illustration of all three, the emitter, the message and the receiver all moving through time in concert, clarifying the time delay conundruming
 
PROVING THAT TIME IS MAGNITIVE

1- Think of an hourglass.

2- The fall of the grains of sand is becoming, which is perceptible.

3- Between the beginning and the end of the sand fall there is a time interval. This interval is objective, but imperceptible because we only see one moment at a time. Time is composed of non-coexistent moments.

4- We can use the movement of the sand as a unit of measurement because it is periodic and with uniform velocity.

5- We can also use a chronometer to determine the duration of the clock.

6- In 4 and 5 we notice that we can use patterns to quantify time.

7- Therefore, time is magnitive, that is, objective, imperceptible and measurable.

Asexperia
 
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Michael 345 said:
And my eggs were runny or hard when I had to guess how long they were cooking for

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how 'long'(?) or how "much" ?
if the heat was never raised past a certain point would it matter how long they cooked for ?

thus time in this eggcelent egsample is realative

energy alone does not solve the egquation ?
time alone does not solve the egquation ?
 
Asexperia said:
PROVING THAT TIME IS MAGNITIVE

1- Think about an hourglass.

2- The fall of the grains of sand is becoming, which is perceptible.

3- Between the beginning and the end of the sand fall there is a time interval. This interval is objective, but imperceptible because we only see one moment at a time. Time is composed of non-coexistent moments.

4- We can use the movement of the sand as a unit of measurement because it is periodic and with uniform velocity.

5- We can also use a chronometer to determine the duration of the clock.

6- In 4 and 5 we notice that we can use patterns to quantify time.

7- Therefore, time is magnitive, that is, objective, imperceptible and measurable.

Asexperia
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Convincing ...
 
Asexperia said:
Time runs at 3,600 sec / hour.
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I have never see time running. It is the other way around,
Time has be around forever, and it is us that are running-.
out of it, sooner or later. There is details about it in the fringe.
It is a cool idea, but not in the the fridge, the fringe. alternate theories.
 
time , has never in and of it's self changed any object(s) position in space nor the energy of any object in space .

We should know this by now .
 
river said:
time , has never in and of it's self changed any object(s) position in space nor the energy of any object in space .

We should know this by now .
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In addition, nothing has ever existed without having had time to exist in. Even energy, that can not be created or be destroyed had to have time to exist in, so: time can not be created either, and must therefore be fundamental. If change is involved, then we are talking about acceleration, which requires taking time into it's second power.
 
river said: ↑
time , has never in and of it's self changed any object(s) position in space nor the energy of any object in space .

We should know this by now .
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nebel said:
In addition, nothing has ever existed without having had time to exist in. Even energy, that can not be created or be destroyed had to have time to exist in, so: time can not be created either, and must therefore be fundamental. If change is involved, then we are talking about acceleration, which requires taking time into it's second power.
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You have just proved my point , nebel , time is the measure of movement .
 
river said:
You have just proved my point , nebel , time is the measure of movement .
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let me try a workshop illustration, because I like to think of the cosmos as a workshop for creativity. ( it is in the genes, my paternal grandfather was a renowned sculptor, who's works are now under monument historic protection)
There is always time to work in the atelier. and there are always measuring devices, handy to measure the dimensions of the work pieces. The start of a project does not mean the creation of the measure of length, width or depth, or duration, that existed already, fundamentally.
objects do not make time appear out of nothing.
time existed long before movement, before objects,
look at it objectively please.
 
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