DaveC426913
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The distance between the Q and the P on my laptop can have a measurement without involving changes or time.
Does time exist?
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DaveC426913
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No, that will do nicely. My example refutes your assertion.
'Try again' is a non-response.
Write4U
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DaveC426913
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You're just re-insisting its true, with no elaboration.
I read your post, and responded, showing a distance that exists independent of time and change.
If you think otherwise, you'll need to assert it.
OK
Sounds in the language of the day (or more of 60's 70's) a bit airy fairy and not something I will be following
Cheers for the info
Write4U
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OK, I didn't want to hijack the thread, but if you insist:
How far is distance without measurement of length of known coordinates?
What is time without measurement of duration of known change?
By settings reference points P and Q you have already measured the length of a distance, which now may no longer be variable but exists in time as a measurement.
I posited that the prope4rties of *distance* (not a distance) are akin to the properties of time in that they do not exist independent of measurement. Both are variable results of asurements of change.or duration.
Point being that neither is a causal function, but a result of a host of prior functions
Write4U
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IMO, measurement is the "fixing" of a distance from a variable unknown to a known value at a known time.
I understand measurement to be
the allocation of arbitrary units
between arbitrary points and giving the result
the arbitrary name of measurement
Write4U
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If you like. My point was that the same rationale applies to Time, where the arbitrary increments are expressed as units of time instead of units of distance.I understand measurement to be
the allocation of arbitrary units between arbitrary points and giving the result the arbitrary name of measurement
This similarity is used in the use of the term "light-year", which is an expression of distance as well as time.
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I'm not sure how much you have seen of other post
From my understanding of time from my readings, a very interesting book, The Invention of Space and Time, and a few others
Here goes
TIME does not exist
The PAST does not exist
The FUTURE does not exist
NOW only exist
There is no direction of time
No arrow of time
From the book
But there is no time in pure mathematics.
Although the concept is used in applied mathematics (in mathematical models of
physics), its nature has never been described by mathematicians. When we analyze a mathematical model, a field model effect tends to make us believe that time is an active factor in evolving systems, and that time is a physical phenomenon. In fact, time is a reference parameter; it is an abstract concept, rather than a physical phenomenon.
My emphasis
and
Time is not a component of the Universe: time does not contain any information
about the Universe and time is not necessary for reporting phenomena, e.g., the Big Bang occurred c. 13.7 billion years ago, which is equivalent to 13.7 billion
terrestrial revolutions.
This attests to the idea that time has no physical properties, which is a major
additional argument in favour of the idea that time does not exist:
NO PHYSICAL PROPERTIES = PHYSICAL INEXISTENCE
My emphasis
This similarity is used in the use of the term "light-year", which is an expression of distance as well as time
Light year refers to the distance
(arbitrary unit between two arbitrary points - start point end point)
light travels in one year
(arbitrary unit - start NOW end NOW)
Think of the lead photon
Leaves start point at start NOW
Arrives end point at end NOW
The lead photon has AGED one year
(arbitrary unit)
The lead photon has NOT measured time
The AGE has been imposed onto the photon because it travelled a arbitrary unit (distance)
Other post attack the concept of time from the idea of a movie which I won't repeat here at NOW
My pretzel of a brain has become even more twisted under this thread so I have lost trackI am not sure if your position is time exist or time does not exist
That's a defect in my pretzel not a reflection on your post
The section of the post you replied to with ' Hmmm, is that not what I posited? ' is from the book so while I agree with the statement I do not claim it as being mine
This statement has two aspects as you note ' distance ' and ' time '
Both as you also note use arbitrary units
This is what I find tricky to explain but here goes
The distance measurement can be repeated since a start and finish co-ordinates exist and are available to revisit
There is only a single NOW in which we exist
There are no existing other NOWs available to visit (ie time travel)
Yes the past start NOW and finish NOW can be imagined and the AGE between them calculated
Same for all NOWs
AGE between them can be established BUT none can ever be visited
The term light year mixing as it does a distance unit and a time unit gives an impression both exist
Distance does
Time does not
pretzel needs a rest
I would like to do just that
However my post are sent from a Huawei RIO L02 mobile phone with a 5" screen which for some reason does not number the post
I'm to lazy to check though 37 pages to find number 710 and 729 which would take up some time to count
Sorry
Asexperia
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THE PUZZLE OF TIME
Time is the variable that ACTUATES continuously causing:
a) aging,
b) the deterioration of things,
c) the succession of events and
d) the duration of things
- The measure of time is a mathematical entity
- We perceive changes
- We do not perceive the time intervals
- The units of time are intelligible
- At 65 years old I have only changed my appearance: child, adolescent, adult and elderly.
- The past are memories and the future expectations
Time is the variable that ACTUATES continuously causing:
a) aging,
b) the deterioration of things,
c) the succession of events and
d) the duration of things
- The measure of time is a mathematical entity
- We perceive changes
- We do not perceive the time intervals
- The units of time are intelligible
- At 65 years old I have only changed my appearance: child, adolescent, adult and elderly.
- The past are memories and the future expectations
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Past can be considered as Certainty, because the event has occurred and it is known. Future can be considered as Uncertainty, because it is still unknown, the event is yet to happen.Even if the future is uncertain or unknown, it still can be predicted with the known laws.
In this context, "Present" can be considered as a link between the "Certainty" and "Uncertainty". Present is some sort of mechanism through which the uncertainty gets converted into certainty.
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