Does time exist?

[river]

Remembering some say you have to have change/ movement to have time, well the field existed without movement before the disturbance/particle.

So what are you suggesting ?

 

[river]

So this field has no dynamics ?

 

[sweetpea]

So what are you suggesting ?

Remember you asked. The point I'm thinking of...
What happens to that idea of change and movement are needed to have time, if a field can exist first of all without those things.

 

[sweetpea]

So this field has no dynamics ?

It seems to have a time duration and then the disturbance/particle is 'introduced' to the math model of that field so to speak. So, take the view...field exists first.

 

[river]

Remember you asked. The point I'm thinking of...
What happens to that idea of change and movement are needed to have time, if a field can exist first of all without those things.

Then I ask , where did the field come from ; or what was the essence of the field ; in the first place ?

 

[sweetpea]

Then I ask , where did the field come from ; or what was the essence of the field ; in the first place ?

Simple... A math model. You need to start somewhere. Notice: It's not starting from nothing. i suppose where the particle is not, the values of the field there are zero ( my guess).

 

[river]

Simple... A math model. You need to start somewhere. Notice: It's not starting from nothing.

No its not starting from nothing . Mathematical model does not convince me , though.

I need to picture the logic.

So what is the essence of the field ?

 

[paddoboy]

No its not starting from nothing . Mathematical model does not convince me , though.

And yet you accept that Aliens have conducted nuclear war on Mars because you read it in a book!!!
Bye river, really I must go.

 

[sweetpea]

No its not starting from nothing . Mathematical model does not convince me , though.
I need to picture the logic. So what is the essence of the field ?

Well, to me, in some ways it's like the geometrical theory of a spacetime manifold. But instead of dealing with space and time your dealing with charge, mass and energy and how those things interact. Did you notice my late add-on to post #586

I suppose where the particle is not, the values of the field there are zero ( my guess)These fields will be on/in a manifold of space and time, so the spacetime manifold alters as the field disturbances interact.

 

[river]

And yet you accept that Aliens have conducted nuclear war on Mars because you read it in a book!!!
Bye river, really I must go.

The book is by a plasma physicist , with a PHD. and worked for NASA .

BUT OF COURSE YOU DON'T READ .

 

[river]

Well, to me, in some ways it's like the geometrical theory of a spacetime manifold. But instead of dealing with space and time your dealing with charge, mass and energy and how those things interact. Did you notice my late add-on to post #586

Of course

I suppose where the particle is not, the values of the field there are zero ( my guess)These fields will be on/in a manifold of space and time, so the spacetime manifold alters as the field disturbances interact.

The field its self is dynamic .

The field on its own is dynamic . The field is because of energy/matter .

 

[sweetpea]

Of course



The field its self is dynamic .

The field on its own is dynamic . The field is because of energy/matter .

Not where the field values are zero, yet, in theory the fieldstill exists there. Back to square one. Define dynamic without the concept of duration of existence in the first place?

 

[river]

Not where the values are zero.

Not possible that the field is zero dynamic.

Tell me how that is possible ?

 

[sweetpea]

Not possible that the field is zero dynamic.

Tell me how that is possible ?

Define dynamic without the concept of duration of existence in the first place? will be back...

 

[river]

Define dynamic without the concept of duration of existence in the first place?

Movement

 

[sweetpea]

Movement

What moved in ' no duration' and did it exist? Been here before

 

[sweetpea]

What moved in ' no duration' and did it exist?

Been here before...

 

[river]

What moved in no duration and did it exist?

Define duration

 

[sweetpea]

Define duration

The time something exists or the period of action.But first something got to exist and move to be dynamic and it can't do them things with out the duration of time.

 

[river]

river said: ↑
Define duration

the time something exists

So when something manifests then ?

Now I understand why we both think differently about time .

Interesting