Does space bend In a pure vacuum ?

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paddoboy said:
Other then the fact that you do not yet know what a scientific theory is, no I see as much to gain from educating you of that fact, as there was when you made the crazy claim that Alien species have had an atomic war on Mars.:rolleyes:
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Define then pad ; what a scientific theory actually is .
 
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river said:
Define then pad ; what a scientific theory actually is .
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You have been informed of that at least a 100 times by me and others. You are either being totally obtuse, playing the troll, or being dishonest. I'm not biting, but hey, google is your friend and will certainly give you the answer....again!
 
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Define then pad ; what a scientific theory actually is .
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paddoboy said:
You have been informed of that at least a 100 times by me and others. You are either being totally obtuse, playing the troll, or being dishonest. I'm not biting, but hey, google is your friend and will certainly give you the answer....again!
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Any true scientist , theorist , knows what a theory is , pad .
 
river said:
Any true scientist , theorist , knows what a theory is , pad .
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All you have is an unsupported pseudoscientific hypothesis, nothing more, nothing less.
And when science speaks of theory, they speak of a scientific theory, which you do not have...not your everyday theory used in everyday speak.
 
paddoboy said:
All you have is an unsupported pseudoscientific hypothesis, nothing more, nothing less.
And when science speaks of theory, they speak of a scientific theory, which you do not have...not your everyday theory used in everyday speak.
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Evolution of thinking .
 
river said:
19th century thinking .

This is 2020 .
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Yep as are Krauss and Carroll 21st century physicists.
I was simply showing the progress in the thinking which you raised...all mentioned progressed science to large degrees and are still doing so in some cases.
And of course river, I will refer you to the great orginizations such as the LHC and Cern, NASA, CSIRO, ESA, VIRGO, LIGO etc etc etc etc for examples of incredible forward and enlightening thinking...the discovery of gravitational waves and further certainty of BH's with a photo are examples of such thinking.
 
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19th century thinking .

This is 2020 .
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paddoboy said:
Yep as are Krauss and Carroll 21st century physicists.
I was simply showing the progress in the thinking which you raised...all mentioned progressed science to large degrees and are still doing so in some cases.
And of course river, I will refer you to the great orginizations such as the LHC and Cern, NASA, CSIRO, ESA, VIRGO, LIGO etc etc etc etc for examples of incredible forward and enlightening thinking...the discovery of gravitational waves and further certainty of BH's with a photo are examples of such thinking.
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Terrific Organizations , are better than great organizations .

Gravitational waves ;

Disagree

These Gravitational waves are moving away from the object of source , not inward .

Which means these waves are travelling AWAY from the source .
 
paddoboy said:
As you have been informed many times river, it is spacetime...
and matter was not in existence at the moment of the BB.
https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a11332.html
Can space exist by itself without matter or energy around?
No. Experiments continue to show that there is no 'space' that stands apart from space-time itself...no arena in which matter, energy and gravity operate which is not affected by matter, energy and gravity. General relativity tells us that what we call space is just another feature of the gravitational field of the universe, so space and space-time do not exist apart from the matter and energy that creates the gravitational field. This is not speculation, but sound observation.
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There are many aspects to that link river, that you could learn from if you desired.
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paddoboy said:
As you have been informed many times river, it is spacetime...
and matter was not in existence at the moment of the BB.
https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a11332.html
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Why ?

What is rational about what you stated ( highlighted ) .
 
river said:
Why ?

What is rational about what you stated ( highlighted ) .
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Because the BB was the evolution of space and time, as we know them...matter came later, as has been explained to you many times, including your most recent trolling effort, re the Superforce.

"That's because there was no space to expand through at the beginning of time. Rather, physicists believe the Big Bang created and stretched space itself, expanding the universe. As the early universe cooled, the matter produced in the Big Bang gathered into stars and galaxies".

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium
 
paddoboy said:
Because the BB was the evolution of space and time, as we know them...matter came later, as has been explained to you many times, including your most recent trolling effort, re the Superforce.

"That's because there was no space to expand through at the beginning of time. Rather, physicists believe the Big Bang created and stretched space itself, expanding the universe. As the early universe cooled, the matter produced in the Big Bang gathered into stars and galaxies".

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium
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How does space and time evolve without energy nor matter ?
 
river said:
How does space and time evolve without energy nor matter ?
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It evolved without matter in the first instant, as you have been informed many times..Matter "condensed"out of excesses of energy with phase transitions and false vacuums, as the superforce decoupled, as you have been told many times.
Why did space and time evolve at the BB? We don't know as you have been told many times.
 
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@ river,
Is it your view that there always existed physical "irreducible complexity"?
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Define , " irreducible complexity " .

No , if I understand the definition of " irreducible " given to me , in my dictionary .
 
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river said:
Define , " irreducible complexity " .
No , if I understand the definition of " irreducible " given to me , in my dictionary .
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OK. If you do not believe in irreducible complexity, then all of existence is reducible to a singularity from which 3 fundamental mathematical (energetic quanta) patterns, from which all matter is constructed, via the 4 fundamental physical forces (mathematical functions).
The Four Fundamental Forces of Nature. The Four Fundamental Forces of Nature are Gravitational force, Weak Nuclear force, Electromagnetic force and Strong Nuclear force.
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Define , " irreducible complexity " .
No , if I understand the definition of " irreducible " given to me , in my dictionary .
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Write4U said:
OK. If you do not believe in irreducible complexity, then all of existence is reducible to 3 fundamental mathematical patterns, from which all matter is constructed.
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What came first , matter or the mathematical patterns ?
 
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