Varda said:
Ohhh yes, without it, math wouldn't make any sense.
Does God Think?
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Ohhh yes, without it, math wouldn't make any sense.
Crunchy Cat said:
it's not being negative that makes a proposition difficult to prove...it's the bredth of the assertion
it's easier to prove there is something than to prove there isnt because you just need to find one example to have proof, so you dont have to look everywhere... unless you are so unlucky that your proof is in the last place to look
since you cant test a proposition in every possible place and time you can never be absolutely certain that the proposition remains true in all times and places... indiferent of it being a positive or a negative proposition
what atheists do is to ASSUME that there is no god based on a reasonable GUESS
to some people that's sufficient though
Varda said:
Nooo...
Based on actual scientific evidence to the contrary, atheists conclude that the god of the bible/quran/whatever fails the tests of claims made for him/her/it and therefore does not exist. Postulates regarding gods that are completely untestable aren't worth the dust on the top of my fridge.
Disproven:
- God answers prayers (zero statistical correlation)
- God made the earth (it coalesced from a solar nebula just as we see other solar systems forming today)
- God made the heavens (all matter came to be in the Big Bang)
- God made humans in his image (humans evolved from apelike ancestors)
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C'mon now. You know that these are not 100% disproven. Unlikely, maybe, but not disproven. As far as I know, the Big Bang and evolution are still just THEORIES. Sure, there is no proof that God exists. There was also no proof that Dinosaurs existed, until there was proof. Just because there is no proof yet that god exists doesn't mean there won't be.superluminal said:
superluminal said:
who said im necessarily talking about these gods?... all i proposed in this thread was an omniscient non thinking god
i guess you can believe whatever you want... even that there is no god... it's still a belief though
werent the big bang and the evolution theories? i didnt know they were granted the status of fact already
superluminal said:
... and this does not prove in anyway that a transcendent consciousness could have been the cause of all these things and that a God of some sort could, in some way, exist... and the argument goes on and on.
I'm not trying to tell you there is a God, but the assertion that there is definitely No God based in unprovable... yes, in much the same way as invisible unicorns or whatnot are unprovable along with so many other things beyond mention.
The thing is, this was supposed to be a topic about the nature of God, under the assumption that such a being exists and it is being derailed and turned into yet another God Exists/Does Not Exist argument simply because you are wish to assert that "There is no God"
It's much like someone asking about what a utopian government might be like or what extraterrestriallife might be like or what a teleportation device might be like, and someone simple asserting in that "Such Things do Not Exist" immediately killing any insight that might have been gained from such a discussion.
To get back on topic:
If God is omniscient but does not think, can God think? If so, has God ever thought and what would prompt a being that exists in all time to think? If not, then is this proof that God does not Exist? Is God a being, or simply the totality of all things?
Evolution is a fact. Only the mechanisms are under debate. If you don't think so, you need to read up on the subject. This is a favorite of creationists to claim it's "only a theory". The BB is an accepted fact. Only the mechanisms are under debate.
Difference between dinosaurs and god? Nobody claimed that giant lizardlike creatures roamed the world 100 million years ago, so there was nothing to discuss. I say with absolute certainty that god as currently claimed absolutely does not exist.
Come up with some more testable postulates for a god and we'll see.
Difference between dinosaurs and god? Nobody claimed that giant lizardlike creatures roamed the world 100 million years ago, so there was nothing to discuss. I say with absolute certainty that god as currently claimed absolutely does not exist.
Come up with some more testable postulates for a god and we'll see.
Kibbles said:
I guess the point is, this is a really fun exercise if you haven't gone through it one billion fucking times. Have fun. I'm going to pet my IFSM (Invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster). Zzzzzz.
P.S.
Can somebody please explain to me why, after realizing that gods were invented to explain the terrifying mystery of the universe around us, we still feel the need to invoke that superstition? When everyone here has already admitted that there is zero evidence for or against a "mystical supreme universal consciousness"? Why? Why does the discussion of my IFSM rank any lower than discussions of the ISD (Invisible Sky Daddy)? Hmmm??? Whay are you all so afraid of???
Kibbles said:
Hey Kibbles. I already dislike you. I'll discuss whatever I want. Go fuck a god or something.
Varda said:
I can understand this and at the same time there isn't evidence to even support a part of the assertion.
Varda said:
Technically proving something isn't there can't be accomplished. What can be done is acquire contradictory evidence to an assertion of existence.
Varda said:
This would be a great discussion to have concerning an evidence-based topic.
Varda said:
My existence contradicts this statement. I am using evidence based thinking. To date, no claim of 'God's existence has had supportive evidence and most (if not all) have a plethora of contradictory evidence. No assumptions are being made... this is all about what reality is validating (or not validating as the case my be).
Kibbles said:
Your are full of shit.
Evolution is a FACT. The mechanism of evolution by natural selection is the theory and is under constant modification and investigation. There's a difference. It's small but important.
Go back to sleep. It'll hurt less.
The feeling is mutual.
If you're not having fun with the exercise what exactly are you doing in the religion section of the forums reading the nth iteration of something that you are obviously sick of?
You don't even seem to have the decency to discuss the topic at hand.
If you're not having fun with the exercise what exactly are you doing in the religion section of the forums reading the nth iteration of something that you are obviously sick of?
You don't even seem to have the decency to discuss the topic at hand.
Dear Kibbles,
See my avatar? Picture your bloody intestines hanging between my jaws, after having been ripped from your living, quivering, soon to be dead and eaten body.
Have a nice night.
See my avatar? Picture your bloody intestines hanging between my jaws, after having been ripped from your living, quivering, soon to be dead and eaten body.
Have a nice night.
Come on, Super. It's not worth it.
Cotton, you are correct as usual. I'm getting way too riled by Mr. DogFood.