Does God make mistakes?

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Alan McDougall

Alan McDougall
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The Abraham religious namely; Islam , Judaism and Christianity all clam god is perfect in all his ways

But the Scriptures say otherwise, lets take Genesis Chapter 6 Verse 6

He made an VERY BAD mistake when he made man, please peruse these different takes on that particular verse

New International Version (©1984)
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The LORD was sorry that he had made humans on the earth, and he was heartbroken.

King James Bible
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

American King James Version
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

American Standard Version
And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Bible in Basic English
And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart.

Douay-Rheims Bible
It repented him that he had made man on the earth. And being touched inwardly with sorrow of heart,


Comments people?
 
Never ask comments on the subject of religion on a science forum, you might as well just pin a target to you're backside and run through a university corridor while shouting "spank me".

Religion will always be a moot point, mainly because as an evidence chain it stinks.

As for the actual subject, lets put it into a Sciforums version of the Verse.

Mankind deplored the notion a dictator existed, as the notion of a dictator only existed in the minds of some men who were at constant war with those that knew they were full of shit.
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(New sciforums project, choose biblical verses and rewrite them as an atheist and sciforums member would.)
 
Alan McDougall said:
The Abraham religious namely; Islam , Judaism and Christianity all claim god is perfect in all his ways

But the Scriptures say otherwise, lets take Genesis Chapter 6 Verse 6...
Comments people?
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Depends on who's version of perfect you're comparing God to. Even then, those verses don't really indicate a non-perfect god, only a god unable to see the future. It would seem it is stuck in a moment of 'nowness' just like we are; we have access to our memories, but not to events which have yet to occur.

Genesis 1:27 > "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
You could argue that emotion (wherever it falls on the spectrum) is a quality that God imbued in humans; emotion is a part of God too. It would seem then that an emotive response on God's part would not be contrary to its apparent perfection.

A god able to react emotively to an event = a god surprised by the actions of humans.
 
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The Biblical God is far from perfect.

Depends on who's version of perfect you're comparing God to. Even then, those verses don't really indicate a non-perfect god, only a god unable to see the future
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Perhaps those verses but what about these?

Isaiah 13
This Chapt starts out with God stating how he wants his wrath to be carried out
3 I have commanded my holy ones;
I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath—
those who rejoice in my triumph
9 See, the day of the LORD is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.

11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.
14 Like a hunted gazelle,
like sheep without a shepherd,
each will return to his own people,
each will flee to his native land.
15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
all who are caught will fall by the sword.
16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be looted and their wives ravished.

How could a God be perfect when he cannot control his own emotions? To have them is one thing, but how we act on them is another. Same with the Biblical God. You'd think a perfect God could restrain his violence.
 
Well, there is a Christian and Jewish theological view that the bible shows "God" becoming God. So, mistakes and problems occur along the way.\

I am not Christian, so this bible hoo-hah and stuff about the Abrahamic God is irrelevant to me.
I am a polytheist; my gods are not perfect, and they sometimes make mistakes and get into feuds.
 
If God or the gods has/have not made mistakes, something really weird is going on. Because if no mistakes have been made being born in the home of a rapist pedophile is not a mistake. It can't be the kid's mistake. So it must be OK somehow.

Which it isn't.
 
Why put Islam in there, and then quote 'scripture' to be Bible alone... Muslims hardly claim that it is 'scripture' any more. You can use the Bible for an argument towards Judaism and Christianity... but against Islam, that wouldn't be considered an argument as far as Muslims are concerned.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
Doreen said:
If God or the gods has/have not made mistakes, something really weird is going on. Because if no mistakes have been made being born in the home of a rapist pedophile is not a mistake. It can't be the kid's mistake. So it must be OK somehow.

Which it isn't.
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Why is it a mistake to be born in a rapist household?

Peace be unto you ;)
 
786 said:
Why is it a mistake to be born in a rapist household?

Peace be unto you ;)
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Because an innocent soul gets raped their as a child or baby. If you were a social worker and you could place a child in one of six homes and you knew one of them had a father who was a rapist pedophile, I am guessing you would place the child elsewhere. God, being omniscient, should avoid the same placement, but God does not. So God is either making a mistake now or made one in the past that is still being unraveled. I think it is the latter.
 
Doreen said:
Because an innocent soul gets raped their as a child or baby. If you were a social worker and you could place a child in one of six homes and you knew one of them had a father who was a rapist pedophile, I am guessing you would place the child elsewhere. God, being omniscient, should avoid the same placement, but God does not. So God is either making a mistake now or made one in the past that is still being unraveled. I think it is the latter.
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Sure. But can you define a mistake? Do you know the intent of creating children ( I don't think its to protect them from rapist). In that context can you outline the mistake.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
786 said:
Sure. But can you define a mistake? Do you know the intent of creating children ( I don't think its to protect them from rapist). In that context can you outline the mistake.

Peace be unto you ;)
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A loving father does not want their child to be raped or put in a position where this is likely to happen. Loving fathers would pull their child out of a daycare where a known pedophile worked. If a loving father cannot prevent their child from being put in this position - they lack knowledge or the power to prevent it - then it can be seen as not a mistake. But here we have a loving God (father) who has the power and the knowledge. Either this God is not loving or a mistake has been made.
( I don't think its to protect them from rapist)
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Look at the mental gynmastics needed to prevent considering that God has made mistakes. I mean, really.
 
Doreen said:
A loving father does not want their child to be raped or put in a position where this is likely to happen. Loving fathers would pull their child out of a daycare where a known pedophile worked. If a loving father cannot prevent their child from being put in this position - they lack knowledge or the power to prevent it - then it can be seen as not a mistake. But here we have a loving God (father) who has the power and the knowledge. Either this God is not loving or a mistake has been made.
Look at the mental gynmastics needed to prevent considering that God has made mistakes. I mean, really.
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Or the loving father wouldn't create this world in the first place?

Maybe he loves you only if you pass a test?

Peace be unto you ;)
 
786 said:
Or the loving father wouldn't create this world in the first place?
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You will need to connect the dots. This seemed like a jump. Further you are making it seem digital: this world or none, period.
Maybe he loves you only if you pass a test?
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Also here you need to connect the dots. Are you saying God will only love those babies if they deal correctly with being raped by their fathers?
 
Doreen said:
You will need to connect the dots. This seemed like a jump. Further you are making it seem digital: this world or none, period.
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Your basic argument was that if God is loving (and all-powerful) that he would not let 'this happen'- in that case we can extrapolate to a more broad perspective that if God is loving (and all-powerful) he shouldn't have created this world, or should've created one without evil.

But you did say if such is the case then he made a mistake... But if he is perfect then he didn't make a mistake. So what I said should've happened.

But since it has happened, a third thing is possible- love is withheld in this world- and its a test?

Also here you need to connect the dots. Are you saying God will only love those babies if they deal correctly with being raped by their fathers?
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Maybe God is impartial on babies.... he expresses his love to you when you return to him (i.e die), and this whole life is a test... Not for the babies but for adults. (or when the baby grows up)

Peace be unto you ;)
 
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