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M*W: Let's not forget about the reference to Mary Magdalene being called the Black Madonna.
M*W: Let's not forget about the reference to Mary Magdalene being called the Black Madonna.
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M*W: Let's not forget about the reference to Mary Magdalene being called the Black Madonna.
Neildo said:Bronze skin and white hair? Sounds more like an Indian to me, not black.
But yes, people of the Bible would be tanned, olive-skinned, dark-skinned, black, or any other similar shade as those are the types of people in that region. It doesn't really make much difference how Jesus is portrayed in movies because regardless of what figurehead is played in a movie (even if of another religion), the makers usually don't get it historically accurate but rather base it on the actor's skill. But when it comes to Jesus, the most common image is of a long, dark-haired, tan-skinned person anyways. Just because one is tanned and not completely black, it doesn't mean they're white. The common images of Jesus doesn't look like a white person to me. Skin color isn't the only defining factor in regards to race.
And yeah, when it comes to converting others to a certain system of belief, everything becomes related to those people. If whites are told about Christianity, they'd rather hear about a white Jesus. If Africans hear about Norse mythology, they'd rather Thor be a blackman. It kind of sucks if the saviour or leader of mankind is unlike yourself as it makes one feel unadequate. But hey, each region has their own mythology so it doesn't matter. If one is going to follow the mythology of another region, expect it all to be different, even the people's skin color.
- N
Neildo said:Bronze skin and white hair? Sounds more like an Indian to me, not black.
But yes, people of the Bible would be tanned, olive-skinned, dark-skinned, black, or any other similar shade as those are the types of people in that region. It doesn't really make much difference how Jesus is portrayed in movies because regardless of what figurehead is played in a movie (even if of another religion), the makers usually don't get it historically accurate but rather base it on the actor's skill. But when it comes to Jesus, the most common image is of a long, dark-haired, tan-skinned person anyways. Just because one is tanned and not completely black, it doesn't mean they're white. The common images of Jesus doesn't look like a white person to me. Skin color isn't the only defining factor in regards to race.
And yeah, when it comes to converting others to a certain system of belief, everything becomes related to those people. If whites are told about Christianity, they'd rather hear about a white Jesus. If Africans hear about Norse mythology, they'd rather Thor be a blackman. It kind of sucks if the saviour or leader of mankind is unlike yourself as it makes one feel unadequate. But hey, each region has their own mythology so it doesn't matter. If one is going to follow the mythology of another region, expect it all to be different, even the people's skin color.
- N
Chazman said:
Blacks are not identified in the bible as black, nor negros
therefore, we have to define their role and contributions by searching their heritage within the bible
Have you noted that all movies, books, pictures, statues represent biblical figures as "white"......were is the rest of "Mankind"?
Dr Lou Natic said:Doesn't anyone see how this thread is insulting to black people?
Like "hey they weren't just useless primitive savages, they were in the bible!".
Same goes for when people feel the need to list inventions made by black people. Its like they're trying to prove black people aren't completely useless. It's defensive to the point where the so called "non-racist" person is obviously starting from the basis that blacks are nothing.
"One time a black person saved a baby!! He didn't even rape it!!"
Does anyone see what I mean?
You wouldn't say "white people have done lots of great things in history", because its known, but people feel the need to prove blacks aren't worthless, and its insulting to black people.
but,...let me say this.....(amos 9:7(a))
why were these two peoples/tribes(nations) referred together???
[/QUOTE]Rev.1:14-15 talks not about his material body. It says that his hair is white like "snow", and that his feet as "bronze". There is no race which has "bronze" FEET and snow white hair.
As if it matters what color HIS body was.
Neildo said:I assume you're referring to the: "Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?" part?
From your point it view, it seems you think the children of Israel are black as if being from Ethiopia due to God saying the children of Israel are like the children of Ethiopia. However, since afterwards God says that the children of Israel were brought out of the land of Egypt, it can't be that reason.
I think children of Ethiopia and Israel are brought up just as a comparison between people as a whole. It would be no different to say people of South America, people of Iceland, or somewhere else instead of Ethiopia. What I feel God is saying here is that all people are Gods children so basically we're all the same under him. You're putting more emphasis on the "as" part to compare Ethiopians to Israelites as if they ARE the same as if Israelites are from Ethiopia and have all the same similar attributes, physical et all. The emphasis should be "unto me" in regards to God. The comparison is more towards the two peoples in God's eyes, not the two peoples by themselves saying they're the same physically, or any other "earthly" reason.
I'm not saying all this just to make it seem as if Israelites weren't black as if I have a problem with them being black, heh, for all I know they very well could have been. However, in those days the Middle East was a huge cultural center with various races due to many wars and other civilizations moving in and out of the area so I doubt everyone was black (if everyone was black in the first place) and no other color. I know you may want people to be portrayed as their correct color as if blacks are getting the short end of the stick, but we have no way of knowing what the people in the Bible looked like especially with the multi-culturalness of that region. It doesn't really matter anyhow as skin color is just skin color.
- N
Chazman said:There we go trying to explain it off again....are you saying that no black people are bronze-like in their color are that no black people have white hair? If one reads those verses it says nothing to make you think that it wasnt his materiel body...it talks about whats in his hands and his garments he is wearing etc......
Then why are you protesting it?
" From your point (of) view, it seems you think the children of Israel are black as if being from Ethiopia due to God saying the children of Israel are like the children of Ethiopia."
This passage of old testament scripture, (num.12:1).....sums up this best.
Thus solving the riddle of "cross-gender"(ing)
The fellow spoken about in this (num.12:1) scripture passage had A LOT of .."imput".. reguards to the faith and shaping of the Hebrew nation, would you agree/dis-?
His WIFE did this... (ex.4:25) pretty TOUGH chick,huh?
"However, since afterwards God says that the children of Israel were brought out of the land of Egypt, it can't be that reason."
-N, let's keep this in perspective, Mizraim (english translation: peoples from Egypt) IS in.......Af-FIRE-ika aka Africa!!
To further support this, look at Mizraim, at it's conception. (gen 10:13)
With their roots, (ibidem vs 20)
" It would be no different to say people of South America, people of Iceland, or somewhere else instead of Ethiopia. "
perhaps, although, there is no evidence or record (iam using JUST the k.j.v. as a guide) of these peoples, RECORDED at this time.
( THEY are REVEILED as...-GOYEEM-GENTILES at (gen. 10:2-5) ( Goy are scoffers,mockers, and HATERS....of the TRUE faith!
In fact....(one of) the OLDEST civilization, is found (k.j.v.)...(gen.2:13)....here!
Look at the land it refers to....(gen.ibid vs 8)
By association, one can EASILY extrapolate the RACIAL line of the (at THAT particular time,.. one, of) two "inhabitants". yes or no?
" I'm not saying all this just to make it seem as if Israelites weren't black as if I have a problem with them being black, heh, for all I know they very well could have been. " ..........no comment!
"as if blacks are getting the short end of the stick,"
do not put "words" in YOUR mouth...you are drawing upon a hypothetical extrapolation....i N E V E R said that....YOU did.
The Kebra Negast, (my fathers...guide) shows that the acient Ethiopian tribe has flourished as a wonderfull and WORTHY kingdom....L..O..N..G.. before the "West".
"but we have no way of knowing what the people in the Bible looked like"
.............................................(are u SURE)....?...?..?...?
Question? Why, did the sphynx' ....nose...get "b l a s t e d ....off" ???
Ok, why would god's skin need high levels of melatonin? The sun surely isn't too bright for god.spidergoat said:In the image of God herself- she's black.