Do theists know deep down that there no afterlife?
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Why?
Yup: IF you believe they're the only options available.
"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow."
I don't want to go to heaven, thats boring and also temporary, I'd rather achieve the highest perfection, the highest power, freedom, enjoyment, happiness, etc....in this lifetime...
Heaven is temporary, but the kingdom, the unmade, the unborn, etc..is eternal...
Also the same argument was made thousands of years ago (atheism is really just an ancient faith-based belief system) by an atheist against Buddhism:
"Once everyone was seated, Prince Payasi said, "Reverend Kumara, I maintain that karma does not have results. I believe that there is no life after death, no world beyond our own. I think that angels and demons are things from a child’s dream."
"Hah! Holy men such as yourself can wax quite poetically about the wonderful life they will have after death – about the myriad comforts that await them in some other realm. But notice this, Reverend Kumara: not a single one of them desires pain, nor death. They all strive for comfort and to live for as long as possible. If such heaven worlds exist and these holy men can see them, why don’t they take a knife to themselves, or drink poison, or jump off of a cliff, and hasten their journey to these heavens? They don’t! That is another reason that I do not believe in other worlds, in angels and demons, or in Kamma."
Kumara (Gautama Buddha's disciple) replied:
"Hmm. Take this parable and consider it carefully: There is a rich man with two wives. One wife is pregnant, and the other has a son of ten or twelve years. This rich man’s heir would be the son. This father then died, and the son went to claim his inheritance, but the pregnant mother pleaded, "Wait! Wait until my child is born! If the child is a boy, he gets half of this wealth, but if she is a girl, she becomes your servant." Desiring to have half of the wealth for herself and her child, she made this same plea whenever the heir came to claim his inheritance. Then, she took a knife and tried to cut open her womb, wanting to hasten the arrival of the child, and thus her wealth. However, in doing so, she destroyed both herself, and the unborn baby.
"Likewise, if a man ends his life to seek the fortune of other worlds, he will not only have destroyed this life, but the next as well. You do not eat pasta before it has finished boiling, or you will hurt your teeth and stomach. The merit that holy men create grows only better as they live longer. Now, Prince, admit that you are in error." (Payasi Sutta)
This scripture is part of pali canons was written around 250 BCE...ancient atheism is just the same as the modern faith-based atheism..
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Ah, logic.
Predicated on "if".
If there was JUST heaven then logically there isn't a hell.
And what are people going to get up to in Heaven?
For example the ones whose husband/ wife died and they remarried?
Which one are they going to stick with?
Predicated on "if".
If there was JUST heaven then logically there isn't a hell.
And what are people going to get up to in Heaven?
For example the ones whose husband/ wife died and they remarried?
Which one are they going to stick with?
Still can't see reason on that can you?
Well its not really boring, but it depends which heavenly world you're talking about, there are many heavens filled with sensual enjoyment that lasts hundreds of thousands of years, but all heavenly worlds, and everything else in the material world is temporary, changing, unstable, inconstant, etc...ofcourse there are the pure, eternal abodes, which are different, upon achieving the pure abodes you never return this kind of world/universe...
I'd say heaven is like the same experience as your life
without the misery, sickness, death, depression, and overall negativeness
Pure comfort, peace, and relaxation
Oli, I'm saying that if there is a place where good people go, it'd be logical to think that there is a place where bad people go
without the misery, sickness, death, depression, and overall negativeness
Pure comfort, peace, and relaxation
Oli, I'm saying that if there is a place where good people go, it'd be logical to think that there is a place where bad people go
Like I said, what about those who've remarried?
Life again without the misery - repeats bore me.
Or logical to think they're just dead, with nothing else for them.
Behave and you can go to the party, if you're naughty you can stay in your room and don't get any fun.
They go with their current relationship (or recent if their lover died), because if they split up, do they still love each other?
No, I said it would FEEL like life, but it would be utter paradise in my opinion to whoever experiences it. I would have a golden palace, filled with everything I could ever want and every girl I've ever wanted, and every night a feast etc
THAT is paradise!
And what would staying in your room be? Hell.
Wrong.
I have no desire either way on those counts.
You're making unwarranted assumptions.
Wrong: since there is no evidence then the logical conclusion is that it's a null question, until (if ever) evidence shows up.
There's no point believing in something that can't be shown to actually exist so the lack of belief is not faith based, or desire based, it's merely that the subject isn't worth any further consideration.
I said the first one died and the survivor remarried.
And if every girl you ever wanted didn't want you who gets the choice?
You think?