Division by zero,seems flawed

[Stryder]

So then 0 doesn't represent nothing in itself (definitely not 0 is a figure), perhaps then $${nothing/nothing}\,\neq\,{undefined}$$.

Manipulating quotes is not the cleverest of options on a forum.

Please take a look at the history of Zero before responding.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/about/zero.jsp

 

[Big Chiller]

Does 0 represent nothing when it's a mathematical abstraction - yes or no?

Abstractions e.g. x/0=undefined, 0/0=undefined, x is a variable.

Thanks for the article. :bugeye:

 

[Dywyddyr]

0 = nothing/ zero/ none.
What did you think it represents?

If I have 0 apples it means there is nothing in my current stock of apples.

 

[Big Chiller]

I asked does it represent 'nothing' in of itself or always e.g. in mathematical abstractions.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Er, 0 is a mathematical term.

 

[Big Chiller]

I know that and that's not what I asked x=variable so if x/0=undefined does that mean nothing/nothing=undefined?

 

[Dywyddyr]

I know that and that's not what I asked

Really?

I asked does it represent 'nothing' in of itself or always e.g. in mathematical abstractions.

x=variable so if x/0=undefined does that mean nothing/nothing=undefined?

0/0 is undefined.
As has been pointed out in this thread (post #2) which YOU have quoted and replied to.

 

[Big Chiller]

So? I see you have avoided answering my question.

 

[Dywyddyr]

If I'm "avoiding" it it's because I have no idea what you're talking about.
0/0 is undefined.

 

[Big Chiller]

I know that 0/0 is undefined but I'm asking about 'nothing' since it represents 'nothing' what about nothing/nothing?

 

[Dywyddyr]

Oh, okay.
What's fish/ cabbage?
What's sand/ steel?
What's water/ water?

You're applying mathematics to "objects". It doesn't work. It's meaningless.

 

[Big Chiller]

No integer represents those "objects" the way 0 represents 'nothing'.
'Nothing' itself is a lack of quantity.

 

[Dywyddyr]

No single digit number represents those "objects" the way 0 represents 'nothing'.

It doesn't matter.
0 in mathematics is a mathematical term.

'Nothing' itself is a lack of quantity.

"Nothing" is a lack of existence. (Unless speaking mathematically, then it's a lack of quantity).

What's nothing * sand?
Meaningless.

 

[Big Chiller]

Quantity isn't limited to mathematics it's also in philosophy.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Really? As a non-mathematical term?

 

[Big Chiller]

Are you saying 'nothing' cannot be used in logic which is a subset of mathematics and vice-versa.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Are you saying 'nothing' cannot be used in logic which is a subset of mathematics and vice-versa.

Nope.
But I am saying, and have said, that mathematics doesn't apply to non-mathematical instances.

How does your question act as a reply to mine?

Really? As a non-mathematical term?

 

[Big Chiller]

Nope.
But I am saying, and have said, that mathematics doesn't apply to non-mathematical instances.

How does your question act as a reply to mine?

0/0 is undefined but only as an abstraction perhaps one of the possible ways or the only way it can represent nothing.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Then that's your problem.
Since mathematics is what deals with quantity. (The philosophical term meaning something else entirely).

 

[Big Chiller]

Ok, I have edited my post.

0/0 is undefined but only as an abstraction perhaps one of the possible ways or the only way it can represent nothing.