Did Nothing Create Everything?

[SetiAlpha6]

Who - no evidence that Moses ever existed and little to no evidence that Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt.

I disagree, I think there is evidence that Moses existed, particularly at the Mountain of God Site.

And there is evidence that the Israelites were slaves in Egypt as well. The Boston Papyrus provides an Egyptian slave list containing Hebrew names.

What - no evidence of a mass migration from Egypt to Palestine.

There is evidence for this at the Mountain of God in Saudi Arabia.

When - at the time the supposed mass migration supposedly took place, the Egyptians didn't seem to notice it.

The movie Patterns of Evidence makes a case that the common date of the Exodus is currently inaccurate and needs to be revised.

A revised date placed a little earlier fits Egyptian history and the Exodus Account together like a hand and a glove.

Why - no evidence of any plagues that would have motivated the pharaoh to free any slaves.

There is a Papyrus written in the Exodus time period that describes the plagues from an Egyptian perspective. The Ipuwer Papyrus.

How - no evidence of masses of people camping between Egypt and Palestine.

There is preliminary evidence for a massive Camp at the base of the Mountain of God.

More research needs to be done and will be done to confirm this.

There is also a mass gravesite there which could be studied to determine the date of burial and the genealogy of the people buried there. The gravesite is in Saudi Arabia but the burial style is not Islamic.

Thanks for your comments!

There is so much more evidence for the historicity of Exodus than this.

I would encourage you to think for yourself and not just follow the herd on this subject.

The herd can be wrong at least sometimes.

It is of course your choice, do with it what you wish.

Best Regards!

 

[DaveC426913]

A revised date placed a little earlier fits Egyptian history and the Exodus Account together like a hand and a glove.

Revising the data to fit the desired narrative.

Exactly the opposite of science.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Why could that not be Sodom? What do they need to find to make it plausible?

There is certainly brimstone in the surrounding area. And pretty sure it is in an extremely rare purity level for it to be natural.

I have not researched it myself very far yet.

Is there any other area on the planet that has this high level of purity and ball form of Sulfur?

Please let me know if you know of a second occurrence of this phenomenon some other place on the Earth.

Personally, I would like to see some buildings that have been basically melted on the outside, but not on the inside. And for the ruins of many such buildings over a city size area?

It did not seem like they claimed to know for certain even what they found or were looking at on the sea floor.

I don’t always catch ever detail in a film.
Did I miss that?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Revising the data to fit the desired narrative.

Exactly the opposite of science.

Yes!

Perhaps, but there is also evidence for revising the date, which is science. The revised date is not arbitrary. If science follows the evidence where it leads, I see no problem with that.

Holding onto a false date only to hold onto a different desired narrative, would also be the opposite of science.

I am sure you agree!

 

[DaveC426913]

Yes!
Perhaps, but there is also evidence for revising the date, which is science. The revised date is not arbitrary. If science follows the evidence where it leads, I see no problem with that.

And if that ever happens, we'll revisit the issue.

Until then, there is insufficient evidence.

 

[davewhite04]

There is certainly brimstone in the surrounding area. And pretty sure it is in an extremely rare purity level for it to be natural.

Yep.

I have not researched it myself very far yet.

Do you research archaeology to strengthen your faith?

Is there any other area on the planet that has this high level of purity and ball form of Sulfur?

Possibly, but that would be an excellent study that could strengthen or weaken this example.

Personally, I would like to see some buildings that have been basically melted on the outside, but not on the inside. And for the ruins of many such buildings over a city size area?

Unfortunately they could not explore further due to being restricted to the area they surveyed. I agree though.

It did not seem like they claimed to know for certain even what they found or were looking at on the sea floor.

Nothing is for certain. These studies are done like science works. The theory evolves with time with more evidence added after each expedition.

I don’t always catch ever detail in a film.

Me too, especially watching on a computer.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

And if that ever happens, we'll revisit the issue.

Until then, there is insufficient evidence.

Scholars currently disagree about the dating of the Exodus. But we do have literally a Mountain of evidence for the reality of the Exodus on the ground right now. We have the Mountain of God itself and all of the evidence and Geography around it.

 

[davewhite04]

Scholars currently disagree about the dating of the Exodus. But we do have literally a Mountain of evidence for the reality of the Exodus on the ground right now. We have the Mountain of God itself and all of the evidence and Geography around it.

Trust me. God could appear in front of Richard Dawkins and bust his nose open and disappear, and Dawkins would still not believe in God.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Yep.



Do you research archaeology to strengthen your faith?



Possibly, but that would be an excellent study that could strengthen or weaken this example.



Unfortunately they could not explore further due to being restricted to the area they surveyed. I agree though.



Nothing is for certain. These studies are done like science works. The theory evolves with time with more evidence added after each expedition.



Me too, especially watching on a computer.

Yes, I am very interested in geography and archeology.

The Christian faith has always been based on historic events, real people, and real places, and has never been otherwise.

Apparently the brimstone has been tested to be 98.4% pure sulfur, which is, according to Wikipedia, “significantly more pure than naturally occurring sulfur.”

 

[Sancho]

Do you believe that Nothing created Everything?

Yep. B discovered that it is true...something from nothing.

If you do, please prove it.

Close your eyes and open them again.

Fuck! You people are retarded. (My apologies..."Stupid")

 

[davewhite04]

Yep. B discovered that it is true...something from nothing.

As far as I know, I've always existed so no beginning.

 

[Sancho]

As far as I know, I've always existed so no beginning.

And Know end.

 

[davewhite04]

And Know end.

Yes. New stars are born every day.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

So, is this about google maps proving some historical accuracy of the Bible, the existence of God, or both?

 

[(Q)]

I agree!

You would have to use evidence outside the Bible to prove that the Bible accounts are true.

And that is what these Sites provide.

They provide Geographic and Archeological, verifiable and falsifiable, extra biblical evidence that the Exodus Account in the Bible is historically accurate and true.

Lol, No, those sites provide no such thing, your claim is as egregious as it is insulting to our intelligence.

 

[(Q)]

Trust me. God could appear in front of Richard Dawkins and bust his nose open and disappear, and Dawkins would still not believe in God.

So, we can conclude God appeared before you and busted your nose open which is the reason you believe in God?

Dawkins is an evidence based thinker, so he would certainly take a broken nose into consideration unlike those who don't bother thinking.

 

[davewhite04]

So, we can conclude God appeared before you and busted your nose open which is the reason you believe in God?

Dawkins is an evidence based thinker, so he would certainly take a broken nose into consideration unlike those who don't bother thinking.

Have you just come on here to argue?

Why not disappear and come back once you have sorted out your ego problem.

 

[DaveC426913]

Have you just come on here to argue?

Why not disappear and come back once you have sorted out your ego problem.

He does seem argumentative, but he makes a good point.

Dawkins is an evidence-based thinker. If God appeared and turned the world inside out with a snap of his fingers, Dawkins would accept that as compelling. As would I.

BTW, "If someone says 'trust me...' - don't."

 

[davewhite04]

He does seem argumentative, but he makes a good point.

Dawkins is an evidence-based thinker. If God appeared and turned the world inside out with a snap of his fingers, Dawkins would accept that as compelling. As would I.

BTW, "If someone says 'trust me...' - don't."

Exactly. "compelling".

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Lol, No, those sites provide no such thing, your claim is as egregious as it is insulting to our intelligence.

Why? What problem do you have with the many evidences at the Mountain of God Site?