Yes, sorry about that, I think I may have been in the middle of an edit, when you quoted it.
Did Nothing Create Everything?
- Thread starter SetiAlpha6
- Start date
Yes, sorry about that, I think I may have been in the middle of an edit, when you quoted it.
But that doesn't help me in understanding!
If you truly love me, you could go into broader detail.
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
I think cause and effect should really be a rule in science, it might be I don't know, but that is not taking into account when discussing this nothingness hypothesis by so called scientists.
Whichever way you look at it, if the universe is finite it is an effect not the cause.
So I agree with you, not sure about the eternal aspect.
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
Try to assume yourself right, there are multiverses for example. Prove yourself wrong
I'm just saying, I wouldn't dismiss anything that someone takes seriously until I knew it was bullshit.
SetiAlpha6:
The difference between the two of us is that I don't claim that a multiverse exists - I only say it is a possibility that hasn't been ruled out - whereas you claim to have the inside story on God.
Experimentally, it is observed that things like atoms can remain stable for very long periods of time. They tend not to pop out of existence spontaneously.
It might look to you like the universe is fine-tuned, but can you prove that it is? You say this is "clear". What makes it clear? What is your evidence for fine-tuning? Are you aware of any of the counter-arguments to claims of fine-tuning?
Also, isn't your God mathematically improbable, even moreso than the universe?
Do you have proof that your God exists?
Please prove that your Creator God exists.
The difference between the two of us is that I don't claim that a multiverse exists - I only say it is a possibility that hasn't been ruled out - whereas you claim to have the inside story on God.
Isn't your God just an imaginary fairy story? Unbounded fantasy? A God of the Gaps? An article of faith?
Can you prove that?
Do you think that this is how your God spends his days - making sure that stuff doesn't cease to exist? Does it require his constant attention, or is this something he does on the side?
Experimentally, it is observed that things like atoms can remain stable for very long periods of time. They tend not to pop out of existence spontaneously.
It could be, but there's no good evidence for it, as far as I'm aware. Do you have any? (Split rocks in Arabia won't convince me, I'm afraid.)
Once again, you mistake an appearance for an actuality.
It might look to you like the universe is fine-tuned, but can you prove that it is? You say this is "clear". What makes it clear? What is your evidence for fine-tuning? Are you aware of any of the counter-arguments to claims of fine-tuning?
What's the purpose of the universe, and how do you know that's the purpose?
God has never been proven, as least as far as I know. It is a fantasy!
You have not shown that the universe is impossible or even improbable in the absence of your God.
Also, isn't your God mathematically improbable, even moreso than the universe?
Do you have proof that your God exists?
And yet it's the only thing that empirical science is studying. Apparently the probability of a designer is even lower.
I trust science as the best path to knowledge - because it has proven itself over and over. The computer you're looking at is proof that science works.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
How do you define nothing? A lack of something? Before Everything, would it be the lack of anything? In the lack of anything at all, isn't the only existence possibility?
Isn't an omnipotent God just the ultimate source of possibility? Wouldn't that make a belief in God all the proof you need?
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
I wonder why they are paying millions of pounds studying these pointless and answer less questions. What do they want to know? Nothing. And that's all they'll ever know.
But after millions of pounds, they will know more about nothing.
When I was in school, we were always in competition with the school down the street - a liberal arts college which has gotten some fame over the years. In our engineering school, people would specialize into a discipline (first electrical engineering, then power electronics, then high frequency switchmode power converters as an example) as they moved through the degrees. A common saying there was "you learn more and more about less and less until you know everything about nothing." For the liberal arts school the saying was "you learn less and less about more and more until you know nothing about everything."
Last edited:
How much did the Michelson-Morley experiment cost?
:EDIT:
Subsequent experiments I think maybe were funded by a countries military - Oppenheimer.
:EDIT:
Subsequent experiments I think maybe were funded by a countries military - Oppenheimer.
Last edited:
If the mathematical probability is that some specific thing (say, creation of life, or creation of the solar system) happens by chance is .0000001% a year, then the odds of it happening in a year are indeed effectively impossible. However, if you look at the same odds over 4 billion years, then it's nearly a certainty that it will happen.
Looking at the experimental equipment, about $80K in capital costs.
Here is an interesting article on Near Death Experiences.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/
Perhaps they are evidence for a soul and evidence for life after death.
But please review the article and decide for yourself, if you have interest.
If you wish to.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/
Perhaps they are evidence for a soul and evidence for life after death.
But please review the article and decide for yourself, if you have interest.
If you wish to.
Two questions:
Science:
Did the big bang come from nothing?
Religion:
Did God come from nothing?
Ironic isn't it?
Neither religion or science can ever answer this question unlesss, we accept that the question it self prevents an answer.
Why do we believe that existance has a begining?
Science:
Did the big bang come from nothing?
Religion:
Did God come from nothing?
Ironic isn't it?
Neither religion or science can ever answer this question unlesss, we accept that the question it self prevents an answer.
Why do we believe that existance has a begining?
If you could summarize -I'm pretty dumb.
Theists tend to think that saying that God created the universe solves a problem. It doesn't. It just pushes the question back one step. If God created the universe, then the obvious next question is: who or what created God?
The usual theist response to this new question is that God is eternal and needs no other creator. But if it is true that some things can be eternal and uncreated, then how do we know that the universe/multiverse wouldn't fit the bill just as well as God? Maybe the multiverse is eternal and needs no Creator.
Another possibility is that, somehow, God lifted himself by his own bootstraps and somehow created himself, possibly "by necessity". But if that is the case, the same question arises: why couldn't the universe itself do the same thing?
reminds me of a slightly funny story: ( fiction**)
Mr Big Bang ( God) was sitting on a stage for an interview being televised live around the globe.
"Welcome BB I have but one question for you. You admit that you created the universe but what exactly created you?"
BB for ever the showman, solemnly scratched his white bearded chin, stared at the camera and offered the challenge:
"I have no idea, but I promise you now, that if you can work it out you can have my job."
**
Q: Why did I have to declare the above as fiction?
A: Maybe the evangelists could provide an answer?
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Invalid assumption that a God is a contingent existence or even subject to time. Like the Big Bang, time is not typically considered to exist prior to it, which makes any ordinal causal question invalid.
Because physical existence is obviously contingent, with all evidence pointing toward a beginning.
A God can be a necessary existence, but a universe is contingent, showing evidence of a beginning.
Physical things require an energy input to organize. I've never seen anyone assert such an organizational contingency for a God.
A pear can have intercourse with an orange and produce apples!
(Damn, I'm smart.)
(Damn, I'm smart.)
What about the multiverse? Is that "obviously contingent" in your opinion?
Doesn't seem obvious to me.