To begin I just want to make sure we are on the same page. You do support allowing Jews to build Synagogues in or around Mecca and Medina? You do support allowing Hindus to build Temples to Shiva in or around Mecca and Medina?
Do you support teaching creationism in schools?
No my example was of gays whom are hung in Iraq. The excuse is that they "disrupt society". I'm not saying the West is any better as adults who happen to be gays have been treated unfairly but I'm saying that such open statements like "disrupting society" are not helpful because anything can be disruption to society. No one needs this to be tied to some religous dogma that will then be used to rial up the masses to go off and hang a couple kids. This is what I meant as unenlightened.
First of all, I dont support Iran. Second of all, the disruption of society are my words from what I've understood in the Quran. It is obvious that you do not want to grasp the meaning of disruption in society.
A better way is to guarantee basic human rights.
Which is what Islam does.
Buddhism doesn't teach such intolerance and superiority and it's a very successful life-doctrine.
In my eyes Islam doesnt teach intolerance either.
during which time period (from when to when) and where at?
What do you mean by "worked"? (To some degree Communism "works" for north korea.)
Im not going to look up every single link for you. It is not that hard to find it yourself by the criteria I gave.
I said legally equael.
Question: Can a women have more than one husband? Can a man have more than one wife?
Like I said, there are many practical and moral advantages with the permission of polygamy. Cant you find anything else to complain about except polygamy?
After the death of the Prophet a lot of Persian tribes left Islam and actively attacked and killed Muslims. They were fought and were conquered. They have always been a fierce nation. And they probably never liked to have lost to the Arabs. the only connection that has with Islam is that they were fought to protect the Muslims living there. They werent forced into Islam.
Yes some people converted and so what? Muslims sometimes convert to Xiaity and to Atheism – I know some.
First a strong enemy converted after hearing the Quran. Then more than 300 converts defended the faith. After the treaty more than 7000 people converted just by argument and reading the Quran. And this is still going on.
My point is Humanity on whole is not converting. Sure a few people do but you do not see most people picking up this magic book called the Qur’an, reading it and saying WOW I’m becoming Muslim.
Strange as I've seen people do exactly that. On the otehr hand a lot of people dont know anything about Islam atm either. Have patience, give it somet ime. When they have studied it and heard the arguments they will.
I’m going to assume you mean by conversion.
So, by conversion - Where is Islam spreading so fast? China? No. USA? No. Europe? No.
How else is it spreading in the West? Or are you going to bring up that tired argument about birth rates?
In Australia the fastest spreading religion by conversion is Buddhism.
Yes they went from 200k to over 300k.
Baha’i wins more converts than Islam.
Islam already has a lot more than Bahai. And even then it is growing at almost the same percentage. Where for the Bahai 5% may be 400k its a bit more for Islam.
None of this is my point. My point is MOST people who read the Qur’an don’t convert and very few philosophers make, if any, a comment on it.
Then you will have to show me a statistic saying that so many people read the Quran, studied it and heard the arguments and so many acutally converted. Also, so what if philosophers dont make a comment on it? What does that have to do with the personal religion of people?
If you look the world over, and I’m talking from Japan to Brazil people will pick up Plato’s writing and say yes this is amazing – it’s even taught in University. But that just isn’t so of Mohammad’s writing.
My Chinese friends said: We need to catch up to the West that is why Plato is so important to us. (note he said Plato – not the Qur’an, Plato)
See my point yet?
I see your point, you are confusing religion with education in educational institutions. Also, The Prophet didnt write anything as far as i know.
Either you are not reading my writing or you are intentially misrepresenting my words. I said BOTH sword and teaching's. So the Persians were conquered and the Indonesians were taught.
The fighting with the Persians had nothing to do with spreading Islam or converting them.
The fact is the Chinese became Buddhists but did not become Muslims. This is a fact of History. One could say "Did every single Chinese read the Buddhist texts? No. But something in there was inspiring enough that a well established civilization found it enlightening.
So it wasnt that Buddhism came to China way before Islam? Also, in that age whenever a leader chose a religion, all his subjects followed that religion too. Just because some leaders accepted a certain religion, does not mean any other religion has failed in that area.
This is a logical fallacy called "Appeal to Popularity"
Appeal to Popularity has the following form:
1. Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2. Therefore X is true.
It's illogical,l
*le major sigh* Hence the part that I said at the end. Maybe I shudve said /sarcasm there to make myself clearer.
How do you think Islam is spreading so fast? By the sword? Dont make me laugh. Even despite the best efforts of Anti-Islamists it continues to spread because it has something they dont: The Quran.
