P. M. Thorne
Registered Senior Member
Katazia: Was it actually this date that you answered my comments from February?
That is so funny. I have about forgottent he conversation, such as it was.
In any case, I was not intending to say that you should try to figure anything out. I think my main thrust was that, no matter how often we hear, "now we know," we know nothing, and this includes scientists, because, "the beat goes on!" Just about the time we think we know how old something is, we may hear that perhaps that was off about so many thousand years, and that sort of thing. Look at the medical world. With all the new information, and all the specialists (folks "knowing more and more about less and less..." Durant), there are are trade offs even with "progress." Is it progress to "cut down the trees and put up a parking lot?" Is it progress to have so many specialists, who grossly fail in tying things together -regarding our bodies. Is it progress to build big beautiful churches with gyms, tennis courts and hot-to-trot preachers, or to build schools with big gymnasiums, for otherwise inactive kids who ride in those expensive school busses? We cannot believe anything anymore: This is bad for us; that is bad for us; we watch the ideas on diets change, and read the prevention magazine hoping to keep ahead of poor health. So, why would we believe in God? Nothing on this earth is dependable, or so it seems. That is the way all this agnosticism sounds to me. It sounds like a whole bunch of people got mad, disgusted, or hurt, and now they do not like the idea of God, or church or bible, but cling, oh my God do they cling to intellect. Ohhh. Maybe it will give us purpose. Well, I think there is nothing better than learning. You may not believe this, but I tell the truth, I am constantly asking God questions about different matters, because I care and because I like to know the skinny. I love science and do not see any reason why it should worry me, but I do not think science is all-knowing!
One last thing, Kat, "sound logic" is just a little bit a matter of opinion. Logic can fail us; therefore it is only a tool, not a complete method. There is much beyond our rational minds. This is why we have intuition, faith, hope and touchy feely stuff.
Cheers!
That is so funny. I have about forgottent he conversation, such as it was.
In any case, I was not intending to say that you should try to figure anything out. I think my main thrust was that, no matter how often we hear, "now we know," we know nothing, and this includes scientists, because, "the beat goes on!" Just about the time we think we know how old something is, we may hear that perhaps that was off about so many thousand years, and that sort of thing. Look at the medical world. With all the new information, and all the specialists (folks "knowing more and more about less and less..." Durant), there are are trade offs even with "progress." Is it progress to "cut down the trees and put up a parking lot?" Is it progress to have so many specialists, who grossly fail in tying things together -regarding our bodies. Is it progress to build big beautiful churches with gyms, tennis courts and hot-to-trot preachers, or to build schools with big gymnasiums, for otherwise inactive kids who ride in those expensive school busses? We cannot believe anything anymore: This is bad for us; that is bad for us; we watch the ideas on diets change, and read the prevention magazine hoping to keep ahead of poor health. So, why would we believe in God? Nothing on this earth is dependable, or so it seems. That is the way all this agnosticism sounds to me. It sounds like a whole bunch of people got mad, disgusted, or hurt, and now they do not like the idea of God, or church or bible, but cling, oh my God do they cling to intellect. Ohhh. Maybe it will give us purpose. Well, I think there is nothing better than learning. You may not believe this, but I tell the truth, I am constantly asking God questions about different matters, because I care and because I like to know the skinny. I love science and do not see any reason why it should worry me, but I do not think science is all-knowing!
One last thing, Kat, "sound logic" is just a little bit a matter of opinion. Logic can fail us; therefore it is only a tool, not a complete method. There is much beyond our rational minds. This is why we have intuition, faith, hope and touchy feely stuff.
Cheers!