Definition of God - one thread to rule them all

[Tiassa]

what the hell is up with No. ONE?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

Seems like this implies there are other gods

Who would have thought, god admitting there are others just like him?

Nobody expects the ... y'know, never mind.

• If we start with henotheism, or, more usefully, its nineteenth century derivation, kathenotheism, it is worth observing that in later Abramic tradition, part of Islamic dissimulation involves partaking of other rituals in order to preserve one's life. In times and places when the name of God changes from village to village, or region to region, passing for survival might be a useful dispensation. Have no other gods "before me"? Okay, do what one must to get through this, but dare not forget God. Moreover, compared to the narrative in which God inflicts such circumstances on the Chosen, sure.

• Furthermore, in establishing covenant with a particular group of Canaanites amid rising monotheism, it seems nearly intuitive that The One would attempt to sweep away all prior notions of other, competing deities.

• To wit, did you somehow miss the episode with the calf? Because, apparently, a golden calf has nothing on a burning bush. Anyway, fast-forward to the second century, because along the way we meet Thunder Perfect Mind, and then there is the story about a time God's mother chastises him for boasting too much and telling lies.​

It's been there the whole time. Here we are, these millennia years later, and people are stuck at, "who would have thought".

 

[Michael 345]

Science seems to me to be out of its depth when it comes to metaphysics

Since Science does not deal in metaphysics of the Universe there is no depth to be out of

 

[Michael 345]

Nobody expects the ... y'know, never mind.

• If we start with henotheism, or, more usefully, its nineteenth century derivation, kathenotheism, it is worth observing that in later Abramic tradition, part of Islamic dissimulation involves partaking of other rituals in order to preserve one's life. In times and places when the name of God changes from village to village, or region to region, passing for survival might be a useful dispensation. Have no other gods "before me"? Okay, do what one must to get through this, but dare not forget God. Moreover, compared to the narrative in which God inflicts such circumstances on the Chosen, sure.

• Furthermore, in establishing covenant with a particular group of Canaanites amid rising monotheism, it seems nearly intuitive that The One would attempt to sweep away all prior notions of other, competing deities.

• To wit, did you somehow miss the episode with the calf? Because, apparently, a golden calf has nothing on a burning bush. Anyway, fast-forward to the second century, because along the way we meet Thunder Perfect Mind, and then there is the story about a time God's mother chastises him for boasting too much and telling lies.​

It's been there the whole time. Here we are, these millennia years later, and people are stuck at, "who would have thought".

Apart from this once sentence consider your post ignored as will all future quote by you to any of my post

 

[Michael 345]

Science seems to me to be out of its depth when it comes to metaphysics

Since Science does not deal in metaphysics of the Universe there is no depth to be out of

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Since Science does not deal in metaphysics of the Universe there is no depth to be out of

From the dictionary displayed when I goggled...

metaphysics
/mɛtəˈfɪzɪks/

noun

1. the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, identity, time, and space.
   "they would regard the question of the initial conditions for the universe as belonging to the realm of metaphysics or religion"
   • abstract theory with no basis in reality.
     "his concept of society as an organic entity is, for market liberals, simply metaphysics"

If there ever was a word that needed to be re written it has to be metaphysics... it's only philosophy and as such a branch of time wasting pretending to be somehow relevant to something... just take the "physics" out of it ...maybe metaimaginingstuff...it is about as useful as "Inteligent design" ... but upon giving it a more honest description and taking "physics" out of whatever remains at that point simply get rid of whatever part it is supposed to fill in this abstract thinking and get on with science so we can make progress and spend less time wondering if a falling tree makes a sound..science can answer that in a blink but for philosophers they are still discussing that one.
Alex
Alex

 

[Write4U]

What are some examples of metaphysics?

Metaphysics

is a difficult branch of Philosophy, but is rather easy to define: It is the study of the most fundamental concepts and beliefs about them.

Examples of metaphysical concepts are Being, Existence, Purpose, Universals, Property, Relation, Causality, Space, Time, Event, and many others.

getwiki.net › -Metaphysics

All that stuff is outside science? If a belief is proven true then it is no longer metaphysical?

Is a Quantum Field a metaphysical object ? How about the Higgs Field?

 

[Michael 345]

Inteligent design

He is another brain fart I had going through another forum

god made Adam first yes?

So Adam has nipples yes?

Are they used for any purpose on males?

But how about if god was thinking ahead?

Come the moment to create Eve he has pre-made nipples on hand, so to speak, easy to convert to a biological milk feeding apparatus

Not exactly ID but put forward as a example of thinking ahead

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

So Adam has nipples yes?

I dont think such a claim was made in the bible.

Are they used for any purpose on males?

Well yes but if you need ask I dont want to be the one to explain what for but it involves fish hooks, rope and an exposed rafter.

Not exactly ID but put forward as a example of thinking ahead

An intelligent design would have us getting all our energy from the Sun as well as detachable wings.
I was reading the god of the bible may have been that Eygiptian king who tried to change things....interesting how all this stuff was invented and most amazing the folk who got into making a living from all the nonsense...and more amazing is the folk you find out believe this stuff... where did Seti go?
He did not tell me if his Dad was saved by a visit to church to see a priest or if he went to hospital with doctors and stuff.
So our god definition really needs to include.."invented" and " mythical" and " many" yes "many" needs to be in there or "thousands".
Alex

 

[Michael 345]

I dont think such a claim was made in the bible.

Seen in the paintings

An intelligent design would have us getting all our energy from the Sun as well as detachable wings.

Where would you put the batteries? Or the solar panels?

 

[Write4U]

Michael said; So Adam has nipples yes?

Alex said: I dont think such a claim was made in the bible.

A nippleless Adam?......

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Where would you put the batteries? Or the solar panels?

I don't know I am not the designer...in fact even the ID "scientists" don't know who the designer is..they certainly can't say it is god cause that would be unscientific dont you know...these folk are so stupid they think they are smart and no one can see thru their infantile games.

And I was thinking..probably not intelligent to create a beautiful world...a beautiful garden and then let humans lose who kill off most of your other pets and destroy your forests and pollute the place...and worst of all fornicating all over the place...now there you go..if so concerned with fornicating why design a two part species who before even having breakfast are going to fornicate.. just asking for trouble if you ask me.
Alex

 

[Write4U]

Whatever happened to Lilith?

 

[Tiassa]

Apart from this once sentence consider your post ignored as will all future quote by you to any of my post

Reality isn't supposed to be so painful, Michael; sorry you're not getting along with it.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Now everyone gather their thoughts as we still seem to be far from our one god to rule them all thing...

Well I think we are doomed.. how can we have just one god to rule them all..if we take the narrowest of positions selecting from the gods that we have in the world today we still end up with a few..I know a few is rather unspecific but rather than involve un necessary elimination process I feel it is not unreasonable to overlook all the gods being worshipped as at today.

The problem really arises because we have this one Western ..but from the middle East god...err from Sumaria , from Eygpt ..earlier we can not tell.

And this is just one.

What do they all have in common.

Firstly...all invented or made up or if more palatable "inspired".

Second ..here we can only place " mythical" given the firstly thing.

Third..well here the whole thing just breaks down...for to be fair we must present each gods attributes..and yeh there are thousands so we are forced to give up.

Perhaps we should discuss..out of all the invented gods which one comes closest to the god you have in mind...mmm...it becomes no mystery why religion is just a pile of whatever given any one god can never serve the whole of humanity.

So crazy when you have various folk presenting as entitled to be elite...maybe we could get all the gods to participate in a cage fight and just see who is best.

Alex

 

[Write4U]

Heavenly Octagon.....

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Heavenly Octagon.....

You have been clever no doubt but I dont get it, now rather than cause me to feel inadequate can you explain it for me..I don't want t to miss out on something that I am too dumb to understand....and if I get it I may present something related, funny and hopefully clever..in a non condescending way or at least presented to distance itself from arrogance of position or perceived entitlement wbich is not in my realm but you know how folk can put you in that box.

I have been thinking about your maths...maybe it is totally different to what you think it is and human interpretation is merely an interpretation of something completely different to what we think we observe. The big question is could such a misunderstanding cause us to miss something we will never understand because we assume things that are actually irrelevant to the basic premise of the original concept of what we misinterpreted leading us to a place that having got there enables us to understand something of the universe that without such a detour we could only have arrived at from a different approach perhaps based say in basket weaving or at least the primative geometry we can impose on such a simple pursuit.
Of course one could come at this from a different approach, which I favour primarily because it is not apparent, and that is as I have raised in the past, that being that when we think we have a handle on the math that "the math" is something entirely different to what we interpreted as the "math"...So perhaps what I am trying to entertain is could our math be a very clumbsy way of interpreting something much higher almost independent of the math we try to involve as the prime operative... I get a hint of something above our current approach but being merely a hint can not nail it down but I wonder do you think that math is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg?
Alex

 

[Write4U]

So crazy when you have various folk presenting as entitled to be elite...maybe we could get all the gods to participate in a cage fight and just see who is best.
Alex

Write4U said: ↑
Heavenly Octagon.....

You have been clever no doubt but I dont get it, now rather than cause me to feel inadequate can you explain it for me..

History of the Octagon
Introduction

You might have wondered what it is that MMA fighters compete in. It's not a ring, or a square, but an Octagon! As the word implies, an Octagon is a fighting cage containing eight sides. Read on to find out a little history of the Octagon, its parts and dimensions, the logic behind it, and who's allowed in the cage during fights!

https://mma.epicsports.com/mma-octagon-history.html

And in mythology, a thunderstorm was caused by warring unseen "sky" gods.

It was a modest attempt at a modern cave-painting........

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

History of the Octagon
Introduction https://mma.epicsports.com/mma-octagon-history.html

And in mythology, a thunderstorm was caused by warring unseen "sky" gods.

It was a modest attempt at a modern cave-painting........

What the f..k are you talking about?
Before I knew nothing and you have erroded that position.

OK you are probably emptying a bottle to make room for a model ship you are going to put in there...that makes sense.

You know I do love my cage fighting. I watch a lot of it...in fact it should be the only sport...cause that primitive determination to beat the rival is what all sport is based on...why not just go toe to toe..anything less is a cop out really...I really think we need to do away with elections and just have pretenders beat each other into a nice bloody pulp... you want the white house well lets see just how much...in fact you want a job...all applicants meet at the park and see who has the best submission...perhaps change things for intellectuals..they could do the goat thing where they rush at each other clashing heads...man wou,d that sort folk out.
Really there is not enough trial by battle these days ..we have Darwins observation and we ignore it..in fact why not set up this way...to breed you need to be top of the class at uni (colledge) in science and woodwork plus having knocked out multiple opponents ...survival of the fittest ..nature's law...plus just think how we could build it into our tv habits.
Alex

 

[Write4U]

What the f..k are you talking about?
Before I knew nothing and you have erroded that position.

maybe we could get all the gods to participate in a cage fight and just see who is best.

You brought up the idea of cage fights between gods. I went with it, in an attempt to promote a potentially lucrative religious rite.

Sunday morning Octagon battle of the gods, with betting! People would skip church for that, come rain or shine.....

Really there is not enough trial by battle these days ..we have Darwins observation and we ignore it..in fact why not set up this way...to breed you need to be top of the class at uni (colledge) in science and woodwork plus having knocked out multiple opponents ...survival of the fittest ..nature's law...plus just think how we could build it into our tv habits

Sparta....with "on-line Oracles"?

But seriously; all extant humans are a product of evolution by natural selection!
But now, our intellectual excellence of the brain is more important than our physical excellence in context of survival strategies. Viruses already have us beat in that respect. already.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

on-line Oracles"?

Well I would get rid of them for a start..damn pretenders ..off their face making out stupid rambling is profound...and how many in this day and age think that dribble during drug induced stupidity is valid...cull them and let their contribution be the nuitriment they give via the compost heap.


Alex