Deadly shooting at US university

[MetaKron]

nothing to do with rate of remission.

There are a lot more old people's homes in the US too, but that only means that Americans are unwilling to look after their parents, not that they are taken better care of.

She spends the first 20+ years of your life simply sucking out your life force, then the damage causes your life to be retarded for another two decades, then you have precious little time to yourself before she's turned herself into a total physical wreck by smoking and maybe drinking and using drugs. I might have twenty years to live a halfway human life and I am NOT going to waste it wiping her bum.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Wow.

 

[S.A.M.]

She spends the first 20+ years of your life simply sucking out your life force, then the damage causes your life to be retarded for another two decades, then you have precious little time to yourself before she's turned herself into a total physical wreck by smoking and maybe drinking and using drugs. I might have twenty years to live a halfway human life and I am NOT going to waste it wiping her bum.

Mirror mirror on the wall
I am my mother after all.

 

[S.A.M.]

except you? how is the US becoming a fascist society sam?

i guess you never seen any abortion clinic riots, civil rights riots, anti war riots, etc, etc.


there is a tremendous amount of stuff coming here from china, it's safe to assume a lot of it is reshipped elsewhere.


what is it that most people aren't getting?

There's a thread on it.

edit:
care to address any of the points in the following thread?
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=65720

Nah, You're doing fine job.

 

[John99]

Sam,

How many Americans are living in India? I cannot find any info on it so it must be NONE.

I am referring to Americans that go there for jobs not the ones there to give people jobs. Do you know the answer to this? I am not convinced your Indian anyway, you have been misleading here too many timnes. - But who cares?...It's all in good fun.

There are 1.8 million Indians in the U.S. AND they keep coming. Why is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American

Indians are among the largest ethnic groups migrating to the USA legally[citation needed]. Immigration of Indian Americans has taken place in many waves since the first Indian American came to the United States in the 1700s. A major wave of immigration to California from the soon-to-be Indian state of Punjab and the surrounding region took place in the first decade of the 20th century. Another significant wave followed in the 1950s, mainly students and professionals, including engineers.

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And remeber who chain's the mentally ill to their bed's.
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[John99]

Also Sam, the cat in your avatar looks like it is about to be executed.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

samcdkey

Its not the question of report, it is the evidence obtained from a study of 68 patients, more than 60% of whom are working without any drug intervention or support.

But it is a question that they were in treatment and that initial treatment involved treatment with drugs, and that the hospital could report to the families and include the families in treatment, and keep the patient in treatment, the program I have no problem with the treatment program over all seems great, I hope it is implemented here, What I have a problem with is, your contention that the people in India and the 3rd world have better mental health care system available to them, (and that is what you imply), so again who would have a better chance of receiving treatment? someone in India? 3 bed for 100,000, Nigeria with even less beds? or the U.S. 69 beds for 100,000 and a vast welfare system that affords them the chance of treatment, hell they don't even have a handle on the numbers of people needing treatment in India or Nigeria, they don't have a system in place to record the number.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Why are you comparing the US with Nigeria?

 

[S.A.M.]

samcdkey



But it is a question that they were in treatment and that initial treatment involved treatment with drugs, and that the hospital could report to the families and include the families in treatment, and keep the patient in treatment, the program I have no problem with the treatment program over all seems great, I hope it is implemented here, What I have a problem with is, your contention that the people in India and the 3rd world have better mental health care system available to them, (and that is what you imply), so again who would have a better chance of receiving treatment? someone in India? 3 bed for 100,000, Nigeria with even less beds? or the U.S. 69 beds for 100,000 and a vast welfare system that affords them the chance of treatment, hell they don't even have a handle on the numbers of people needing treatment in India or Nigeria, they don't have a system in place to record the number.

All you have to do is provide evidence that the treatment in the US works better.

 

[John99]

yeah provide evidence.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

samcdkey

All you have to do is provide evidence that the treatment in the US works better.

And all you have to do is prove that in your country that there is more opportunity for treatment, and some treatments in the U.S. work very well, and I have no problem with the development of new and better treatments, but in your country, the only people who have any real chance for treatment are the well to do, Like YOU, now how about the millions of poor? that is what I am talking about, the people who you conveniently seem to be forgetting, what is their chance for treatment in your country? Please tell me what is their chance for treatment? and as ask by John 99 who still chains the mentally ill to their beds?

 

[hypewaders]

I hesitate to post again in this sometimes ghoulish and often wandering thread.

I only wish to express my thanks to the twisted soul of Cho Seung Hui, for having never professed Islam- Had he ever done so, the USA would now be fully in the throes of a raving Islamophobic frenzy.

 

[S.A.M.]

samcdkey



And all you have to do is prove that in your country that there is more opportunity for treatment, and some treatments in the U.S. work very well, and I have no problem with the development of new and better treatments, but in your country, the only people who have any real chance for treatment are the well to do, Like YOU, now how about the millions of poor? that is what I am talking about, the people who you conveniently seem to be forgetting, what is their chance for treatment in your country? Please tell me what is their chance for treatment? and as ask by John 99 who still chains the mentally ill to their beds?

Aspirin is good treatment for headache

Buffalo Roams argument:
There are lots of people who don't get aspirin so it cannot be a good treatment for headache.

LOL

 

[Raithere]

Not really, mental illness is treated as something requiring support, and Indian society generally makes room for such people in their own families and in occupations requiring little effort. Institutionalization is pretty rare and only in urban areas.

Just want to give you some help on your assumptions there:

The head of India's Institute of Human Behaviour and Allied Sciences said women faced the greatest problems, including being abandoned by their families following psychiatric illness.

He said that in his own institute, there were people who had been cured up to 20 years ago, but had nowhere to go.

Many of the issues surrounding mental illness in India are common to the developing world.

But the BBC's South Asia correspondent Mike Wooldridge says problems in India can be particularly acute because of its ever-growing population and limited public resources.

Nearly 25 million people in India are in need of mental health services.

Of these at least a third need help to cope with disability resulting from various psychiatric disorders.

Some experts have calculated that mental health problems contribute to an even greater reduction in the quality of life in India than tuberculosis or cancer.

https://cprodmasx.att.com/commonLog...login&URL=/account&HOSTNAME=cprodmasx.att.com

OUR CONCERNS

Mental Health Manpower Concerns
5% to 8% of the 40 million affected persons currently receive treatment provided by about 4000 mental health professionals including 2000 psychiatrists as against UK that has 1 psychiatrist per 25,000 population, the US has 1 per 10,000, Denmark and Iceland have 1 per 2000-3000, and Eastern Europe has 1 per 10,000. There is neither a National Mental Health Plan nor a manpower policy to improve this serious anomaly.

Minimum Standards and Licensing - Concerns
# Many institutions and homes for the mentally ill persons are run without licenses mandatary under The Mental Health Act, 1987. This is mainly on account of unrealistic legal norms like 1:10 Psychiatrist to patient ratio for a country like India where the current ratio is 1:20000!
# Brain drain among Psychiatrists is an added concern!


Concerns about legal Anomalies
# Lack of legal orientation to human rights issues of the affected persons.
# Lack of institutional and legal support to the largest stakeholders viz. the family caregivers
# Lack of legal norms that are practical and user friendly to families and affected persons.
# Lack of consolidated code of civil rights and inconsistancies therein with other laws.


Concerns of Families
# Lack of access to treatment centers in close proximity.
# No right to appoint guardians of their choice under Mental Health Act, 1987.
# No support provided in Emergencies for crisis management of patients.
# No affordable means of rehabilitation and long term care.
# No safety for the patients especially girls to live in the community after the death of the family caregivers.


Concerns of Consumers(or affected persons)
# Lack of Emergency support in crisis.
# Lack of public empathy resulting in humiliation and low self esteem.
# Non-availability of maintenance allowance that is guaranteed to all disabled ( and paid to others ) under the Persons with Disabilities Act, 1995
# No reservations in government jobs for those can work
# Denial of equal opportunities in civil rights like any other citizen.

http://www.acmiindia.org/concerns.html

~Raithere

 

[S.A.M.]

Just want to give you some help on your assumptions there:

~Raithere

These are urban problems (due to Westernisation or materialism), or due to extreme poverty.

But I have never seen the paranoia accompanying mental health in India that I have seen in the US. Everyone in the US "suffers" from depression, ADD or OCD. And takes medications for it.Almost every student I met was in a counseling program!

 

[Buffalo Roam]

samcdkey

These are urban problems (due to Westernisation or materialism), or due to extreme poverty.

Denial of India's problems, and transference of the cause is not helpful, and I would say that you suffer frond some type of mental illness for the fact that you have such a rabid distaste for America.

But I have never seen the paranoia accompanying mental health in India that I have seen in the US. Everyone in the US "suffers" from depression, ADD or OCD. And takes medications for it.Almost every student I met was in a counseling program!

That would speak to the fact that we have more treatment options wouldn't it? No why these people who you claim are all in treatment, the reason? could it be because the school tells them they need treatment? that we have gotten so far from what is acceptable to humanity that we are creating problems, the fight or flight, we are now telling student that they should never fight, and that we make flight imposable for them and have made the school a gun free zone, which then makes it a free fire zone for any scumbag with a problem to take that problem out on our innocent school kids.

ps: since you like to point out my spelling errors--its westernization-- not

Westernisation

 

[S.A.M.]

samcdkey

Denial of India's problems, and transference of the cause is not helpful, and I would say that you suffer frond some type of mental illness for the fact that you have such a rabid distaste for America.

That would speak to the fact that we have more treatment options wouldn't it? No why these people who you claim are all in treatment, the reason? could it be because the school tells them they need treatment? that we have gotten so far from what is acceptable to humanity that we are creating problems, the fight or flight, we are now telling student that they should never fight, and that we make flight imposable for them and have made the school a gun free zone, which then makes it a free fire zone for any scumbag with a problem to take that problem out on our innocent school kids.

ps: since you like to point out my spelling errors--its westernization-- not

Still missing the point.

And its Westernisation in English.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

samcdkey

And its Westernisation in English.

Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary.


http://www.askoxford.com/results/?v...h=Westernisation&branch=&textsearchtype=exact

view=searchresults&freesearch=Westernisation&branch=&textsearchtype=exact

Sorry, there are no results for that search.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Why did you search for "branch"?

 

[leopold]

There's a thread on it.

i seemed to have missed it. can you post a link?

Nah, You're doing fine job.

are you in denial here sam?

Sam,
How many Americans are living in India?
I am referring to Americans that go there for jobs not the ones there to give people jobs. Do you know the answer to this?

well sam?

And remeber who chain's the mentally ill to their bed's.

this is pretty outrageous sam. is it true?

samcdkey

Denial of India's problems, and transference of the cause is not helpful, and I would say that you suffer frond some type of mental illness for the fact that you have such a rabid distaste for America.

this is one of your major problems sam, denial.
when corruption of indias government or the police force is pointed out to you you either:
1. ignore it.
2. pass it off as minor.