Deadly shooting at US university

What about parents who can neither afford to take care of or provide?

Then they put them in a home or clinic that can. It's like putting a child up for adoption because you know you can give it a better life. Some see it as terrible parenting, when in reality, it is the best choice for the child in the end.
 
Then they put them in a home or clinic that can. It's like putting a child up for adoption because you know you can give it a better life. Some see it as terrible parenting, when in reality, it is the best choice for the child in the end.

So all your solutions involve institutionalising or treatment.
 
samcdkey, please explain how to do this? explain exactly how to accomplish all of this? hell even India can't do this, and from what I have read they don't even try, they just pick them up off the street and shove them into a asylum, so how about preaching to your fellow Indians.
 
samcdkey, please explain how to do this? explain exactly how to accomplish all of this? hell even India can't do this, and from what I have read they don't even try, they just pick them up off the street and shove them into a asylum, so how about preaching to your fellow Indians.

What you have read would fit on the head of a pin and have enough space leftover to write the complete works of Shakespeare.
 
Yes. And my guess is you disagree

So then, tell me what methods we could employ in dealing with those who are possibly dangerous due to illness?

First, stop treating everything different with fear. Being different is not equal to being bad or being dangerous. Its not the differences that make people react, its the social isolation and their treatment as being apart from society.

This is a good article on mental illness and culture

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062601091.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/06/27/DI2005062701082.html
 
Yes sam tell us how enlightened India is, in its treatment of the mentally ill.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1476245.stm

Reports from the scene of the Tamil Nadu tragedy paint a depressing picture of mentally ill patients living in cramped conditions and routinely chained as a means of restraint.

In a country of more than a billion people, there are only 500 qualified psychiatrists

In a recent report, India's National Human Rights Commission expressed its own deep concern at the conditions in India's public hospitals for the mentally ill.

One of the doctors involved in preparing the report said he had seen examples of four or five highly disturbed patients locked together into a single room for long periods without basic toilet facilities.

Many of them, it said, functioned as custodial rather than therapeutic institutions - and it listed such problems as overcrowding, lack of basic amenities and poor medical facilities.

It is common for families, especially in rural areas, to disown relatives with mental illness, especially women.
 
I am still going to treat those with the possibility of mentally uncontrolable outbursts of violence, sometimes leading to murder, with fear. To do otherwise would be foolish. Ho was angry because the teacher expelled him from class. I've been kicked out of a class before? Did I kill a bunch of people?
No. Those people with the mindset to have somewhat minimal things set them off, should be feared, and this VT thing is just another case.



Perfect Example
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0406/2402_anna_svidersky.html

"I should have stayed home with my stuffed animals instead of doing what I did. This is all evil stuff that I've done. This is too much."

Yeah hindsight is 20/20.
 
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Its not the cost of medications, its the cost of personal involvement that is more significant
 
I am still going to treat those with the possibility of mentally uncontrolable outbursts of violence, sometimes leading to murder, with fear. To do otherwise would be foolish. Ho was angry because the teacher expelled him from class. I've been kicked out of a class before? Did I kill a bunch of people?
No. Those people with the mindset to have somewhat minimal things set them off, should be feared, and this VT thing is just another case.



Perfect Example
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0406/2402_anna_svidersky.html

"I should have stayed home with my stuffed animals instead of doing what I did. This is all evil stuff that I've done. This is too much."

Yeah hindsight is 20/20.

I predict lots more school shootings in your country's future.
 
well my country needs to stop doling out medicine like its free samples and we need to stop letting those without proper medical treatment, prone to violence, into the public without being under close supervision.

And after reading BR's links, I predict a massive investigation into treatment of the ill in your country.
 
well my country needs to stop doling out medicine like its free samples and we need to stop letting those without proper medical treatment, prone to violence, into the public without being under close supervision.

And after reading BR's links, I predict a massive investigation into treatment of the ill in your country.

If you'd read my links, you'd realise they've already been done. By the WHO.

Guess where they have the problems? In the cities where people like you think hospitals and drugs cure everything.
 
I never did. If I thought it was their problem I'd merely say " Take all the nutters and leave on an Island. Let em kill eachother and take the winner back home. Bound to be some good in him to last that long."

But by saying we should put them in the care of those who will shower them in the affection and friendship they need to live productively I include us "normal" people in the solution.

Did you know that many killers have no mental history? Who do you know is going to be a killer? You don't.
 
and do you know that many do? Theres nothing we can do about stopping those that don't but there are options to stopping those that don't
 
yes certain things can be debated as right or wrong

but the slaying of 30+ people?

I think we can agree that it is wrong. Anyone who thinks it's not has some mental issues to address


Your moral compass is, well, screwed up. Maybe it's you who will be the next killer.

So it would not have been as wrong if it was one or two or three...

Evidently the value of one life is meaningless.
 
Guess where they have the problems? In the cities where people like you think hospitals and drugs cure everything.



Not everything. Just mental illnesses. Throw specialized clinics in there and you have the 3 best ways to deal with the mentally unstable. Hugs and kisses can't cure everything Sam and the sooner you realize that the sooner you'll understand why clinics and meds are important.
 
Your moral compass is, well, screwed up. Maybe it's you who will be the next killer.

So it would not have been as wrong if it was one or two or three...

Evidently the value of one life is meaningless.

Killing 30=Worse than killing one.

Killing one=Bad
Killing 30=Worse.
 
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Welcome to humanity, so what is new? we still have to live, and taking responsibility for our own lives is a big step towards cleaning up these problems, if you talk to everyone of those types that you mentioned, you will find that their excuse will be that some one else forced them to do what they are doing, my wife made me mad, my child need it to control them, I was teaching them a lesson that they deserved, my wife don't love me any more, she don't fulfill my needs, they are the one who are different, in ever case Chos included it is always the victims fault, and you are singing in Chos Choir with your wanting us to understand his reasons, and that we should have done more to reach out and help him, now tell me how to understand a man whose thought process isn't based in reality?

You really are a joke. You mention taking responsibility for your own life. So to follow your logic, shit happens and the victims need to move on from there. Then stop whining about what Cho did and clean up your own act so this doesn't happen as much. You are confused, Mr. Cow. You are pretending to have the upperhand as you are always used to but the situation is not quite that way. The truth is you are pissed that people like Cho swat back and they may have to be reckoned with and now you are whining placing all the blame on him. lol
 
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