Darwinian fundamentalism, part 1

God Gametes post 2.

Baseball:

In Life’s Grandeur Gould is careful not to describe life as progress:

“If we are but a tiny twig on the floridly arborescent bush of life, and if our twig branched off just a geological moment ago, then perhaps we are not a predictable result of an inherently progressive process (the vaunted trend to progress in life's history); perhaps we are, whatever our glories and accomplishments, a momentary cosmic accident that would never arise again if the tree of life could be replanted from seed and regrown under similar conditions.” 12

He is emphatic that life is ‘non-predictable’ and ‘non-directional’.13 He says that any perceived purpose in life is misplaced human arrogance and suggests we should climb down from our pedestal and recognise that our proper place is among the “motley series of disparate (life) forms” 14 such as bacterium, marine alga, jellyfish, trilobites and dung beetles.15
He uses a baseball analogy to support his argument that there is no overall trend towards greater complexity. What is perceived to be progress he claims is really an accidental twig that sprouts from the tree of life. He does not deny that there has been a measure of improvements in sporting accomplishments but notes that in the 1920s and 1930s it was common for the best hitters to have a batting average of 0.400 (a seasonal average of 4 safe hits in every 10 tries). He then points out that at the time of writing his book there had not been a 0.400 batting average in major league for 55 years.
In fairness it should be stressed that Gould does not interpret the disappearance of 0.400 as being no progress. It seems the point he wants to make is that the statistical mode of baseball players, as with life, has not changed. The mode for life is still single-cell bacteria pressing up against the left wall. Occasionally a species will throw to the right, or an exceptional hitter might again achieve a 0.400 seasonal average but the mode for life as a whole is immovable:

“The most complex creature may increase in elaboration through time, but this tiny right tail of the full house scarcely qualifies as an essential definition for life as a whole. We cannot confuse a dribble at one end with the richness of an entirety - much as we may cherish this end by virtue of our own peculiar residence.” 16

Gould cannot dismiss complexity by saying the mode has not moved. Whether you take the, “pattern of change for the full system of variation through time”,17 or an isolated case of living complexity, we still need to explain how this progress was achieved. The problem with life is not where the level of complexity lies within a statistical average, but how complexity exists.
Returning to his analogy though, we need to question the origin of baseball skills. Most regard it as an innate ability that some are born with but it is a long way to the right of the bacterial mode. Methods he uses for calculating whether these skills have improved or declined over the years do not address the central issue. If a level of developmental progress has been achieved that is not possible through random selection, a statistical analysis of mean, medium and mode will not serve any useful purpose.
Gould presents a lot of data on baseball and other sports,18 which argue that the mean average skill for any given sport tends to move to the right as the sport becomes more professional. This is not surprising. As more people play a given sport, are trained better, then techniques for playing and coaching are refined and overall standards improve. He also makes the point that really good players will still be better than average but the gap will not be as wide. And worst players will have to improve to make the team. The result is that both the right and left tails of the bell curve will shrink towards the mean as the overall standard of play improves. In baseball this has meant that the best hitters have not been able to exploit the occasional weak pitcher and sloppy fielding more common in the past. He then argues that this explains why a 0.400 seasonal batting average has disappeared.
The other argument made here is that once a certain level of improvement has been achieved, it tends to level off. He suggests there is a right wall of maximum possible achievement and his argument appears to be that once this right wall has been achieved, the right and left tails of a sport will shrink around a stable mean with no further progress possible. He makes the point that most people do not play baseball at this level and the skills for the bulk of the population have remained unchanged. From here he argues that we should conclude that the few elite baseball players who have reached the upper limit of what is possible, cannot improve the overall level of baseball skills for our species. This, Gould argues, is similar to life as a whole. By far, the majority of life on earth is single-cell bacteria whilst a small percentage of complex species that have an upper limit to what they can achieve, can never move the average level of complexity away from the left wall.
God Gametes has no problems with the way his sports data is presented or interpreted. In fact it is quite possible that the overall natural sporting ability of our species is declining. Gould might find it interesting to compare the baseball skills of Mexicans with players of European Ancestry.
Aboriginal Australians are under-represented in most trades and professions but significantly over-represented in Australian Football League (AFL is the Australian ‘national’ or ‘major league’ for football in most states). It is generally conceded that Aborigines have far better eyesight than Europeans. (No European can track animals as well as the best Aboriginal trackers.) They are quick and agile and it is generally conceded that they can judge the flight and bounce of an oval-shaped football better than Europeans. And it is thought they have most likely retained many of the skills necessary in hunting and gathering, lost by Westerners. This would suggest that the sporting mean will most likely move to the left as Aboriginal and other native ethnic groups become increasingly urbanized.
It is doubtful however that the peaking or decline in sporting ability is signalling the end to our species’ drive towards greater complexity. Gould seems to be suggesting that if there is an evolutionary trend towards greater sophistication of our species it will show up in improved sporting skills. But this is unlikely to be true and we should be focusing on growth in cranial capacity and increased intelligence. Our brain size has trebled in the last 3 million years and this is a huge increase in what is just a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. Our species’ increased cranial capacity cannot be explained by the Darwinian survival of the fittest theory and is at odds with what can be achieved by any process of random selection.
Gould’s suggestion that the increase in sporting ability must eventually approach a right wall is true but an upper limit of possible physical achievement cannot predict a levelling off in human intelligence. If our species’ intelligence continues to increase, as it almost certainly will, this will disprove Gould’s arguments. His theory needs a right wall to cap growth in complexity yet it is likely that an ongoing increase in human intelligence will keep moving the mean further to the right.
 
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Complexity:

Gould regards the evolution of complex creatures as almost an inconsequential departure from life’s bacterial mode. We are described variously as a “dribble at one end” 19 a “little blip” 20 the “right tail” 21 a “tiny twig” 22 and a “motley series of disparate forms”.23

“If we could replay the game of life again and again, always starting at the left wall and expanding thereafter in diversity, we would get a right tail almost every time, but the inhabitants of this region of greatest complexity would be wildly and unpredictably different in each rendition-and the vast majority of replays would never produce (on the finite scale of a planet's lifetime) a creature with self-consciousness. Humans are here by the luck of the draw, not the inevitability of life's direction or evolution's mechanism.” 24

Without a direction or purpose for the more intricate designs of living systems and our human consciousness, it is necessary for Gould to explain complexity. He then seems to suggest that it is difficult to know what is really meant by the term. This is surprising because ‘complexity’ is a commonly used word and most people familiar with the English language know what it means. But if Gould were in doubt he could look up a dictionary. The New Oxford Dictionary of English provides the following:

“Consisting of many interconnected parts, intricate – Involving many different and confusing aspects.”


Or he might prefer Webster’s New World Dictionary:

“Complex refers to that which is made up of many elaborately interrelated or interconnected parts, so that much study or knowledge is needed to understand or operate it [a complex mechanism]; complicated is applied to that which is highly complex and hence very difficult to analyze, solve, or understand…”

Key words here would be ‘interconnected parts’, ‘intricate’, confusing’, ‘much knowledge is needed to understand’ and ‘very difficult to analyze’ yet it seems Gould prefers a definition provided by Dan McShea of the University of Michigan that relates complexity to the:

“number of different parts it has, and of the irregularity of their arrangement. Thus, heterogenous, messy, or irregularly configured systems are complex, such as organisms, automobiles, compost heaps, and junk yards.” 25

He notes that junkyards and compost heaps may be functionally simple but “might be quite complex to other users in this case, to the seagull who must distinguish all the little bits while searching for morsels of food.” 26 Gould is probably correct when he says a seagull would find a compost heap complex. It may also be true that they cannot distinguish between the irregular arrangements of a junkyard and the functional design of an automobile or human eye. But we should not conclude that birds have the last word on this matter. Most would agree there is a difference between the design of a human eye and a junkyard even if it has escaped the attention of seagulls.
After lumping the intricate design of body parts and human consciousness into the same category as a compost heap and a junkyard, Gould presents results of a number of studies. His purpose is to discover if there has been a general shift towards improved design in living organisms. Given the premise on which he is evaluating his data it is not surprising to learn that he finds there has been no overall trend to greater complexity.
It is impossible to know what can be achieved by an analysis of data presented this way. The primary purpose in studying evolutionary theory is to understand the origin of life and how complex living systems came into existence. To relate the complexity found in a human eye to compost heaps and junkyards, is an absurdity. An eye might be a heterogenous and irregular configuration but it has been designed for a purpose. There is little purpose to design in a junkyard. By putting such different types of complexity in the same category makes it impossible for meaningful statistical analysis to be made. It does not place a value on the abundance of natural design present everywhere in life that cannot be explained by the random process of natural selection.
Earlier in his book Gould makes several criticisms of “spin doctors” 27 who overlook more accurate ways of presenting data and prefer instead to twig numbers to give the results they want. It appears however he is guilty of the same trick. He set out to find data to reinforce his argument so used a method of statistical analysis that gave him the answers he wanted.




9. Gould, Stephen Jay. Life’s Grandeur – The Spread of Excellence from Plato to Darwin. (also published as Full House) Griffin Press Pty Ltd, Adelaide, Australia. P. 169.
10. Ibid. pp. 149-150.
11. This information was presented orally in the television program “Extinct” (Episode 1.) in 2001 by Wall to Wall Television Ltd. for Channel 4 International.
12. Gould, op. cit. p. 18.
13. Ibid. p. 29.
14. Ibid. p. 172.
15. Ibid. p. 20.
16. Ibid. p. 148-149.
17. Ibid. p. 148.
18. Ibid. p. 92.
19. Ibid. p. 148.
20. Ibid. p. 18.
21. Ibid. p. 148.
22. Ibid. p. 18.
23. Ibid. p. 172.
24. Ibid. p. 175.
25. Ibid. p. 203.
26. Ibid. p. 202.
 
Evolutionary Reading

Im new here, so i apologize if i am violating some running standard of posting.

For anyone interested in a cogent explanation of Evolution and howit relates to creationism, Tower of Babel by Robert T. Pennock addresses all facets, inculding that Macro-evolution is indeed just micro-evolution of a longer time.
 
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For anyone interested in a cogent explanation of Evolution and howit relates to creationism, Tower of Babel by Robert T. Pennock addresses all facets, including that Macro-evolution is indeed just micro-evolution of a longer time.

Sounds like another crane? Lets get the chronology right. Can this book explain how the universe got started, the creation of 100,000,000,000 stars in 100,000,000,000 galaxies, the gravitational forces that hold it all together and the property of life and consciousness that we know exists on at least one planet? If Mr Pennock’s crane can not explain that then why should we believe his coin flips have driven the evolution of species on earth?
 
I've always thought that Dennett made a mistake in forgetting that cranes are a result of evolution.
 
Oh yes, you're right. But the baby does tend to go out with the bathwater with Dennett IMO.
 
"coin flips"

Random chance doesn't exclude the possiblity of order. IF there is a one in one billion chance of something occuring, it may occur on the second trial, not necessarily the billionth.
 
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Coin flips

But before you can get a result from coin flips you need a coin and the energy to flip it. And before a random process can drive evolution you need a universe with matter, energy, gravitational forces to hold it all together and a property called life.
 
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life sucks its energy out of the sun (mostly) and the earth (some). Life is not a special energy category.

I will try to make it very simple?

Before there was life on earth there was a sun with energy and an earth (matter) which also has energy. So before life could be built from the bottom up (with a crane) there already existed energy and matter.

Is it not reasonable to ask that any theory attempting to explain the evolution of complex life forms also explain the existence of energy and matter?
 
that is not reasonable IMO
evolution explains what it explains, it doesn't claim to be anything more.
 
<i>Before there was life on earth there was a sun with energy and an earth (matter) which also has energy. So before life could be built from the bottom up (with a crane) there already existed energy and matter.</i>

Yes. The Earth existed and the Sun was shining long before there was life on Earth.

<i>Is it not reasonable to ask that any theory attempting to explain the evolution of complex life forms also explain the existence of energy and matter?</i>

Other theories explain the existence of energy and matter. That's physics. The theory of evolution explains (funnily enough) the evolution of life.
 
WHAT! "give up" "I concur" you know people on the theology forums never give up no matter how irrational their hate for evolution is. Shame on you for not being as stubborn and close-minded! :D
 
it is a shame though to see a wonderful thread about evolution with some nice thoughts in it turn into an average thread on sciforums.
 
yeah, its getting hard to differentiate between some of the threads in here. I can't complain too much because I've played a role in that.
It still isn't as bad as the religion forum, every single thread in there is exactly the same.
 
I don't know, you could be a sort of unofficial moderator, berating people when they stray off topic:cool:
(unfortunately I'd be the one getting berated most of the time:()
 
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