Hit a nerve, apparently. This rape thing is kind of a live wire in the Islamic world. Actually, the genocide of the men and boys was the worse crime, but the mass rapes are what the fundies get bent out of shape about.
No, all crimes which dishonor, kill, or deny human rights to human beings are crimes. You are the one interpreting my views this way to attempt to say I somehow justify this. This is very dishonest.
Outside of being simply denied outright by Pakistani fundies, the general facts of the matter are not seriously challenged, as far as I know. The feminist organizations in my area who were involved with charities dealing with the women who got pregnant from the rapes, on women who were consequently cast out from their homes and communities or fled threatened repercussions for the shame, can blister your ears about the "true Islamic principles" of the Pakistani soldiers, or the "true Islamic principles" of the Islamic community treatment of the victims, if you care to listen to women on the subject.
No, there are crimes carried out in Pakistan, just as there are in America. It is when you try to use a dozen or so incidents occurring over several years to try to charge the entire population of more than 160 million when it becomes a propaganda mouthpiece. I don't deny that women are mistreated in parts of Pakistan, especially its tribal areas, but that has more to do with lack of education, economic situation, and pre-Islamic practices than the religion. When you realize to judge it this honest way, then you avoid the risk of misevaluating the situation as you clearly have.
And when I tell you I have listened to Muslim women, you say what - that I haven't ? There are Muslim women, and ex-Muslim women, who do not agree with you. And they say fewer silly things on subjects I can check for myself.
Who are these Muslim women you have talked to? I want to have names and books so I can evaluate what kind of foundation you base your knowledge on. Is it at all possible that you have been misinformed on this subject, do you accept there is this possibility? Have you ever gone to an Islamic center and honestly talked with Muslim women concerning their experiences?
First-hand information is the best information, when do not pursue it, you run the risk of becoming misinformed.
And they recognize the obvious misogyny in people like "Kadark" on thsi forum, whom you describe as respectful and having a good heart.
I admit it without shame that Kadark is a good friend of mine. I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic at hand. As a matter of fact, Muslim women would more likely agree with Kardak's viewpoints than yours or other people on this forum, which is quite telling of the Muslim women viewpoint in itself.
Not without testimony. There are doctors, neighbors, relatives, housemates, etc, as well as the victim herself - who can be subpeonaed to testify under oath.
In essence, ignorance makes people support ridiculous viewpoints. This is obviously what is happening here. When you actually talk to Muslim women in your personal life or using internet to do so, please write your response of your experiences and the responses received. I look forward to hearing from you about this.
