Like Indians are too stupid to realize that their opinions are worth more to themselves than to anyone else?
There are more daily terrorist attacks occuring in your country than in mine.
How stupid must you folks be?
Danish Cartoon backlash, there embassy is blown up in pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There are more daily terrorist attacks occuring in your country than in mine.
How stupid must you folks be?
DiamondHearts
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If Afghanistan and Iraq were not being occupied at this moment, injustice was not being meted out against Palestinians, Chechnyans, Kashmiris, Lebanese, Somalis, Uighurs and others, and hundreds of Muslims dying monthly due to this outright interference in Muslim nations' affairs, there would not be any cartoon protests of this scale.
I denounce the killing of innocents, especially America which has murdered millions of Muslims in the last 50 years due to sanctions, invasions, supporting corrupt dictators (like Saddam Hussein) and political interference in Muslim lands. America is a structured "civilized" nation, while you judge a ragtag group of vigilantes, who apparently cannot even be identified properly.
Both groups (though one is obviously identifiable and other are unrelated vigilante groups with separate goals and methods) should be held accountable, yet America is more dangerous and has a higher capacity and has done more violence to civilians in the Middle East.
America is the most unpopular entity in the Muslim world, why is that do you think? Almost everyone has lost someone innocent or knows some civilian who had died by their hands or the hands of their allies (such as Israel, Karzai, Maliki, etc). This is why America is hated, think about this long and hard before responding.
All life is precious DH. That is why the killing should stop but you are not offering any solutions. For one thing before the attacks on America there was fighting between India and Pakistan, fighting between Iraq and Iran, fight amongst these people, fighting amongst those people. All you say is foreign policy but dont say what foreign policy. What kind of policy is just letting people kill eachother?
So U.S leaves Iraq. Then what? Problem is solved?
So U.S leaves Iraq. Then what? Problem is solved?
Ooooh, burn!!!
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
This is a topic for another thread. I suggest you create such a thread if you want to pursue this more thoroughly.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
I know. Please start another thread if you wish to discuss the solutions to the present conflicts in the Muslim world. I will respond to you there once I am able to.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
This is why we can discuss it. It would make for quite an interesting thread to have various inputs of different members.
If you aren't interested, I understand.
Did they? I see only the US dropping nuclear bombs, invading countries to liberate them from communism, funding and arming terrorists and sending them as death squads in foreign countries.
Whats the commie equivalent?
Well they lost. That is what they say.
So your saying the logic of these people is that they are so pissed off that a cartoon is the straw that backs their back? If a cartoon can do that then I don't think anything we do period won't piss them off.
Its so very easy to denounce the enemy, denouncing your own behavior is the hard part. I denounce American occupation it goes against the fundamental ideals of freedom and human dignity that my country claims it stands for... see it's not hard for me too do it, now you try it, say "I denounce terrorism by Muslims as both morally wrong and not sanctioned by Islamic ideals"
Yep, soo what is your point? Should the terrorist be given a free ride is that what you saying? I don't have a problem with ending American neo-colonialism, but we got to end terrorism at the same time, we got to bring those on BOTH sides to justice.
Muslims are the most unpopular group in american. American don't hate rain forest tribal people for killing oil workers and loggers, in fact Americans usually side with them, why is that? Every time Americans see Muslims dancing in the street because someone blew him self up in a crowed market or in a school or protesting over a cartoon, many Americans think "gee maybe these people deserve being oppressed" when Americans saw Muslims dancing over 9/11 what happen, did Americans re-think their place in the world, pull out support for Israel and pull out their military forces from bases in Muslim countries? No!, support for Israel increased! America bombed and invaded 2 countries!!! Thoughtless violence only begets more thoughtless violence! I swear if we have another large scale terrorist attack on American soil, iran will be reduced to a crater of melted radioactive sand, I don't want that, do you want that?
And how do you think those people feel when they are constantly being bombed AND demonised? And we're talking official government policy versus vigilantes here, but after the last 60 years, was 9/11 anything but inevitable?
Exactly my point, violence begets more violence, do you think this is the right way to do this? You still have not answer my questions.
I have, they are just not the answers you are looking for. I think if the US stops supporting dictators, sending in death squads, arming and funding militants against elected governments, supplying 50% of the arms in the world, unilaterally invading and strafing entire countries on a regular basis and establishing military bases on foreign territories, there would be less people blowing themselves up out of frustration. Putting the cart before the horse achieves nothing.
You answered if terrorism is morally right? I defined the parameters of what constitutes terrorism pretty clearly, I would think a yes/no answer would be possible. I was simply asking for the morality of it, no who gets blamed or what, all you have said has been to revert to blaming the US, which is deserved but it does not answer the morality question. Ultimately you can't demand change affectively without diplomatics: you have to say "yes terrorism is wrong, we both want to end terrorism, lets do it by ending occupation" you have to show the other side your morally superior by admitting fault first, that opens them up to your proposal... or you can keep being angry and unreasonable, only encouraging animosity and more killing.
it not a matter of demonizing, its simply a matter of admitting your human, not admitting that in fact demonizes you more, it makes you look arrogant and hateful, and hatefilled people are not considered reasonable except after the use of force. Mr. G and OillyMaster and BuffaloRun excuses to say "See, see, they can't be reasoned with they must be oppressed more!"
I am not out to convince people like Mr G and Buffalo Roam. These are the people who would destroy entire countries for greed and ideology and then cry if anyone destroyed a couple of buildings in return. They are more concerned with their hangnails than the dead children they scatter over the globe.
As for demonising, this thread is a good example. How does anyone know the bombing was due to the cartoons? Or that it was even by the Taliban? We don't. But it does not matter, does it?
As for demonising, this thread is a good example. How does anyone know the bombing was due to the cartoons? Or that it was even by the Taliban? We don't. But it does not matter, does it?