Cult Evolution

Ah, so you agree with the OP's hypothesis, not because it reflects your beliefs but because the assumptions, inferences and conclusions are supported by impeccable research. :p
No. It's a simple observation of human theistic nature. :p:p
 
Just take your example of Aborigins.

Yes lets, do you believe that in their 70,000 years of separate development, they have evolved into a subspecies? That their social development reflects their biological development?
 
In some ways, it certainly does. It ensures survival.
Whether such survival makes for a "life worth living" is another matter.

A culture built on false conceptions as those offered from indoctrination cannot possibly survive, unless the culture stagnates completely, with no further civilized advancement whatsoever taking place. No new ideas are to be entertained, especially if they are faced with indoctrinated conceptions, made evident for example, with the Creationism vs. Evolution argument.

That such is the case is just one interpretation. One that can make us feel good about ourselves.
Another interpretation is that morals and ethics evolved simply because it was feasible.

Feeling good about ourselves is not a bad thing, is it?

When you say "it was feasible," do you mean, 'it was naturally selected?' Can you explain that?
 
Ah, so you agree with the OP's hypothesis, not because it reflects your beliefs but because the assumptions, inferences and conclusions are supported by impeccable research.

S.A.M.
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At the time of this posting, there were 29,164 pieces of research from only a single subject. There are many subjects here.
 
At the time of this posting, there were 29,164 pieces of research from only a single subject.

Hmm so you are basing all your conclusions on repeated observations of an n of 1 applied to an n of 6 billion current and an unknown quantity of the last few million years?
 
A culture built on false conceptions as those offered from indoctrination cannot possibly survive

Firstly, "false conceptions"? False according to whom or what?

And secondly, in traditional religions, there is a lot of leeway. There is the religion that is being preached, and then there is the religion that is being practiced. Apparently, practitioners of said religions do not have as much problems with that as do outsiders.


unless the culture stagnates completely, with no further civilized advancement whatsoever taking place

This is not necessarily bad. Take primitive tribes who haven't changed their ways of life for hundreds of years: they do very little damage to the environment and they are capable of adopting to natural changes to some degree.


Feeling good about ourselves is not a bad thing, is it?

It depends on the intentions behind this "feeling good".
Sometimes these intentions can be harmful.


When you say "it was feasible," do you mean, 'it was naturally selected?' Can you explain that?

Just that it was feasible, it payed off within a particular situation in time and space.
 
Hmm so you are basing all your conclusions on repeated observations of an n of 1 applied to an n of 6 billion current and an unknown quantity of the last few million years?

In an almost 'knee-jerk' style reaction, the indoctrinated theist will begin a salvo of fallacious arguments targeted at exaggeration to extremes. This is most likely a cult defense mechanism triggered to go off, similar to a hypnotist planting a suggestion of a word that triggers an involuntary response.
 
Still waiting on the peer reviewed evidence to support your thesis.

Feel free to back up your statements at any time. :)
 
Firstly, "false conceptions"? False according to whom or what?

A false conception would be creationism, false according to fact.

And secondly, in traditional religions, there is a lot of leeway. There is the religion that is being preached, and then there is the religion that is being practiced. Apparently, practitioners of said religions do not have as much problems with that as do outsiders.

The preached and the practiced are identical when it comes to childhood indoctrination. If there are large differences in what is preached and what is practiced, that would only serve to demonstrate the utter hypocrisy of the religion, and the utter cruelty and abusive nature of the indoctrination.

This is not necessarily bad. Take primitive tribes who haven't changed their ways of life for hundreds of years: they do very little damage to the environment and they are capable of adopting to natural changes to some degree.

I have always said that those who wish to go live in a cave are free to do so. I would most certainly like to see the hypocritical theists do so first.

Just that it was feasible, it payed off within a particular situation in time and space.

Sorry, I don't buy it.
 
Still waiting on the peer reviewed evidence to support your thesis.

Feel free to back up your statements at any time.

Cult indoctrination MUST demand the complete acceptance of the improbable and irrational tenets professed by the cult. Within these boundaries of forced acceptance, the concept of hypocrisy becomes meaningless as fiction becomes fact, leaving the indoctrinated oblivious when faced with it.
 
Still waiting

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The evolution of social constructs is probably not Darwinian, or only Darwinian.

Other possible theories of evolution, rejected for species etc, would apply to such things as religions.

Lamarckian, for example.

The role of "adaptation" in Lamarckian theory is much different from its role in Darwinian theory.
 
It might very well be the source, or at least an affirmation of the theist mindset.

The latter part I would agree with.


If your beliefs rested entirely on the supernatural, then your beliefs are useless and would only increase my odds of reproduction with like minded supernatural believers. Over time, this position is not sustainable.

Why wouldn't it be sustainable?
 
Q, we've been here before. I will call this "Greenberg's and Q's splitting point": the point when the discussion between Greenberg and Q hits the wall of the realism vs. constructivism competition.
 
Q, we've been here before. I will call this "Greenberg's and Q's splitting point": the point when the discussion between Greenberg and Q hits the wall of the realism vs. constructivism competition.

If you've also been indoctrinated into cult thinking, you should understand that it's not your fault and that you can reverse the indoctrination and free yourself of the abuse. It's never too late.
 
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