Gawdzilla Sama
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I would care more for you if I thought you thought.
Creepy things caught in photos
- Thread starter Magical Realist
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All of these things are possibilities. You have done nothing to rule out any of them. Similarly, I have done nothing to try to confirm them. But the onus is on you here, because you're the guy who is saying this must be the genuine woo.
It's far more likely that somebody faked this photo than that it was a ghost.
Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't a ghost. But you have a lot of work to do to prove the ghost. And what have you done so far? Zilch. You've sat in your chair and let the story wash over you. That's all. You didn't even think the possibilities through.
You have done nothing to try to confirm that the daughter has an original photo on her cellphone. Nor has anybody else, it seems. Certainly not the people who run this crap as if it was legitimate news.
And, by proxy, herself.
It's not hard to fake photos like this. Are you at all familiar with Photoshop? It would take about 5 minutes.
Clearly, both she and her Mom were happy for her to get whatever attention she got, because they chose to make the photo public.
You're clueless about how Occam's razor is applied, I see. Not at all surprising to learn.
Simple answers for simple people.
Magical Realist
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"An experienced ghost hunter captured what he claims is a chilling picture of a haunting figure BEFORE beginning a tour of an old asylum.
Phillip Barron said he has taken hundreds of photos over the years but have never seen one so vivid he wasn’t able to debunk.
The 45-year-old told how the ‘ghost-girl of Newsham Park’ has caused a stir on Facebook as none of the other people in the image recognise the figure.
He said: “We always begin our ghost hunts with a picture of the group, I have done this many times and this is exactly what I did. I took the picture on my phone and just put it in my pocket, I didn’t even look at it.
“It wasn’t until the next morning, after it had been posted to Facebook with other pictures from the night, that I saw it.”
Note the strange monochromatic and blurry appearance of the image once again. Clearly it is distinct from the other images of the people who were there suggesting a real apparition.
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Phillip Barron said he has taken hundreds of photos over the years but have never seen one so vivid he wasn’t able to debunk.
The 45-year-old told how the ‘ghost-girl of Newsham Park’ has caused a stir on Facebook as none of the other people in the image recognise the figure.
He said: “We always begin our ghost hunts with a picture of the group, I have done this many times and this is exactly what I did. I took the picture on my phone and just put it in my pocket, I didn’t even look at it.
“It wasn’t until the next morning, after it had been posted to Facebook with other pictures from the night, that I saw it.”
Note the strange monochromatic and blurry appearance of the image once again. Clearly it is distinct from the other images of the people who were there suggesting a real apparition.
Chilling picture of 'ghost girl' captured in group photo at old asylum
Paranormal investigator says he has never seen anything like it
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Magical Realist
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It isn't necessary to rule out possibilities. How could we ever prove anything to be impossible? For all we know it could be anything in terms of possibilities. But we aren't concerned with mere possibilities here. We are concerned with what is actually the case. And the fact that you have nothing based on any evidence other then some dubious and contrived canard about the mother's hoaxery to make her daughter famous shows you have absolutely nothing. Which means the photo stands undebunked and is extraordinary evidence for the existence of ghosts, particularly considering the long history of capturing spirits on camera:
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Gawdzilla Sama
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You have horrid evidentiary standards.
Magical Realist
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You do realize don't you that making up a story about how a mother secretly photoshopped the image of a black man in a cellphone photo her daughter took just to make her famous isn't evidence for anything? You also realize don't you that an image of a translucent black man captured on a cellphone who wasn't present when the photo was taken IS evidence for the existence of ghosts? How could it not be? Just like the photo is also evidence for the existence of her brother who was captured on film.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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If you're a woman I bet you're pregnant all the time. You take the shabbiest bullshit as gospel because you want your world be less shitty than it is now. Funny thing is, your weirdness is making it worse, not better.
You do realise that you making up a story about how a cellphone photo somebody's daughter took shows a real, honest-to-goodness GHOST (!) isn't evidence for anything?
I already covered that. You have no idea whether that translucent guy was present or not when the photo was taken. You also have no idea whether the photo was faked or not.
Gawdzilla Sama
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1. Photo was faked.
2. Ghost decided to show up on film for a change.
Place your bets.
Do I have to post the Cottingly Fairies again?
2. Ghost decided to show up on film for a change.
Place your bets.
Do I have to post the Cottingly Fairies again?
Magical Realist
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I have the credible statements made by those who were present. What do you have? Zilch...
Gawdzilla Sama
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Oh, but I have a good grip on reality. You...
TheVat
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Almost like the image was doctored. And not skillfully.
This presumes they were credible, something you have yet to establish.
They do make my cot tingle!
Magical Realist
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The burden isn't on me to prove they are not lying. I can't prove a negative. It's on those claiming they are lying.
So show me evidence they are lying. And why would they be lying about it?
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Gawdzilla Sama
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It's possible to prove they are lying. Seems that concept is beyond your ken.
Yes. It could be anything, including NOT A GHOST. Moreover, just about anything else that it could possibly be would be more likely that it being an actual ghost. For instance, it's far more likely to be a fake photo.
Okay. Let's see what you've got on that front, shall we?
I already said I've got nothing. I also pointed out that YOU have nothing, either.
I agree. And you have no reason to suppose it shows a ghost.
Where's the extraordinary evidence? You've got nothing, so far.
If there was a long history of capturing actual spirits on camera, that might carry some weight in terms of probabilities. Two points on that: (1) there isn't a long history of confirmed actual spirits caught on camera. On the contrary, no spirits have ever been confirmed as having been caught on camera. Not a single one. Ever. And (2) You literally just said that we're not concerned with "mere possibilities" here. And yet, that's all you continue to bring. Mere possibilities. No extraordinary evidence. It's all you've got, and it's incredibly weak and unpersuasive to anybody except somebody as gullible as you are.
What objective factors make their statements credible? What have you got?
The burden on you is to show that the photo is legit and it shows an actual ghost. Something you haven't even started trying to do.
But you're demanding that I prove the negative - that it's not a ghost.
Double standards, much?
The default is "it's not a ghost". The burden of you is to prove that it is. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. This dubious photograph ain't that.
Sure. If I were to claim that they are lying, I'd be making a positive claim, and the burden would rightly be on me to prove my claim. I have not made that claim, however.
I don't need to. You need to show me evidence for a ghost.
I already told you.
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Here's the positive claim that YOU are making:
Since you are making a positive claim, the onus of proof is on you to support it.
In this case, you will need to establish that the photograph is, in fact, extraordinary in such a way that the preponderance of the evidence surrounding it points unambiguously to the presence of a ghost.
I note that "considering the long history [blah blah blah]" is just irrelevant filler, attempting to bias the conclusion in the particular case at hand. The fact is that there is no "long history" of confirmed ghosts. There is, in fact, not a single case of the existence in reality of any ghost being confirmed. We only have claims made by True Believers, which are like members of a club for unicorn lovers claiming that there's a long history capturing actual real-life unicorns on camera.
The fact of the matter in this case is that there is nothing extraordinary about this photograph. There are many similar, faked photographs purported to be ghosts on the interwebs. Such fakery is commonplace and easy to do. There is no evidence that suggests that this particular photo is any more legitimate than the thousands of confirmed fake ghost photos.
You've got nothing. Admit it.
Magical Realist
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That's quite a sweeping claim. Just so we know you aren't just making this up, how do you account for the thousands of photos available online of ghosts captured in photos that nobody has ever debunked? Have you even perused the evidence that is out there? Come back when you have actually gone thru some the many photos that are out there.
Magical Realist
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LOL The photo itself is evidence for a ghost, defined as a disincarnate and translucent entity that has been seen appearing and disappearing by eyewitnesses all over the world. And that matches exactly what we see in the photo. If you want to claim it is something else than what it appears to be, then provide evidence for that claim. So far you have failed to do that. And I'm pretty sure you aren't able to.
Therefore this one is fake? That's a logical fallacy. There are many quack doctors out there, therefore all doctors are quacks?
Gawdzilla Sama
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He didn't make that claim. Keep your fingers out of other people's mouths. Just a suggestion.