Creepy things caught in photos
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foghorn
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You're repeating.
March 2017
Ghost photobombs
Gone fishing and caught a ghost in a selfie? Yep, fishy. http://doubtfulnews.com/2017/03/gone-fishing- and-caught-a-ghost-in-a-selfie-yep-fishy/ Always good to see the people who make a living at debunking are still making a living. Look at that little girl with her smug braces. She even looks...
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Anyway, I think you doubters are mentally ill and paranoid.
TheVat
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There is no compelling reason to believe the family, so it can only remain an x, an unknown. Any translucency in the man could simply be that he was standing in front of the truck and so his image was a ghostly reflection caught in the back window she was shooting through. Her attention was on her screen which was showing selfie view, i.e. behind her. Man continued on his way, perhaps onto a walking path or other angle obscured by trees. Mom, fishing noisily in the cooler for her hard lemonade kombucha, sees no one when she finally stops and looks up. Dozens of such scenarios are possible.
OR, contrary to all known science, there are nonphysical beings that somehow in spite of being nonphysical can emit photons and register to eyes and CCD devices. Ockham aside, this pic ain't gonna resolve that question.
OR, contrary to all known science, there are nonphysical beings that somehow in spite of being nonphysical can emit photons and register to eyes and CCD devices. Ockham aside, this pic ain't gonna resolve that question.
Gawdzilla Sama
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Critical thinking goes out the window when passion rules the brain-like substance.
Creepy photo taken on cellphone by a 13 yr old girl while on a fishing trip. Real or fake? Looks real to me.
"She was going through the pictures on the way and she came across that one and freaked out," Ogletree told InsideEdition.com. "My daughter sent it to me. At first I am looking at it thinking, 'Who is this? "She called me. Then she started crying and she was really upset about it."
Haley’s grandparents confirmed that she wasn’t making it up so the mom took to Facebook to share the spooky experience in a post that has since gone viral.
“I personally think it's pretty cool because today is Kolton's birthday and he caught the biggest fish he's ever caught! It looks like the man is happy for him!” Ogletree wrote on her Facebook post."
13-Year-Old Snaps Eerie Photo of 'Ghost Man' Standing Next to Her Brother
She said there was no one else around.www.yahoo.com
"Haley was going through the pictures and noticed a seemingly smiling black man standing in one of them, next to her brother, but her mom, Jessica Ogletree, said they were the only ones in that particular spot at Paradise Public Fishing area."
Wow. Just to highlight coincidence in a different forum, Hollywood really has baked the "Magical ____" trope into society so much that even paranormal culture sports it. Though the latter is arguably a more fitting "real-life" milieu, if setting aside the racist undercurrents of that ceaseless literary-film-television device. ("Creepy" in a social context.)
Below a video this time around with a different spin on or reverse interpretation of the parody movie "The American Society of Magical ____".
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Magical Realist
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Except that the image of the man is BEHIND her brother and the metal box of the truck. If it were a reflection it would be superimposed OVER those. Also, if it were a reflection there'd be trees and other things showing up on the window. But there aren't.
I'm unaware of any dictum of science that forbids non-physical beings from existing. At most all it can say is that so far we haven't seen any evidence for these, reminiscent of the black swan fallacy. And yet people report seeing them and taking pics of them all the time.
Noun
[edit]black swan fallacy (plural black swan fallacies)
- The logical error of discounting the possibility of something because no evidence has yet been observed for it.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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Hallucinations are your best friend.
TheVat
Registered Senior Member
Nor am I. And no one said it was a dictum. It is certainly possible there are ghosts, but there is no evidence supporting that particular hypothesis. But there is a lot of evidence in photographic analysis that superimposed reflections on glass can be deceptive to the casual observer. Sometimes it's even outdated firmware on the phone, leading to ghostly images.
And in a reflection image, the brighter area of the nonreflected object will often "cover" the darker reflection.
Magical Realist
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Just tons of people all over the world seeing them. Remember that thread I posted where Sting and his wife saw a female ghost and her baby at the foot of their bed one night?
I've never heard of that, especially when the image is behind the present person's image. Perhaps you can provide some samples?
No it won't. The reflected image will still show up over the brighter areas, just not as clearly. See example below:
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Gawdzilla Sama
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It's ghoulies, and ghosties and things that don't show up in the daylighties.
So you agree with me that "people often don't notice things that are right in front of them when they are concentrating on something else".
Good.
Unless they are distracted or concentrating on something else. Like we both just agreed happens. Right?
I haven't bothered looking at your latest bit of fluff.
Okay, so now I've looked. There's nothing much there. No real details. Just throw-away garbage to keep the suckers reading the site.
What did you do to confirm that the photo isn't a fake? Anything?
You didn't do anything to check it out, did you? You just decided to believe the ghost story.
Another plausible scenario is that they definitely did know that there was no complete stranger standing around close to them when the photo was taken. How did they know this? Because they know that Mom faked the photo after the photo was taken, to post it to the interwebs and see how many Magical Realists she could sucker in with her scam.
Yet another scenario - far less plausible - that ghosts are real and there was a real, true-to-death ghost of a black man standing right there looking at the fish and smiling with approval at just how big it was.
So there you go. Apply just a little brains and you can quickly come up with three different scenarios, some more plausible, some less plausible.
Tell me why you only ever considered one scenario. Stupid? Or still clowning?
How do you know? Because you trust what she said? Why do you trust her?
Sure isn't.
What did you do to confirm that the photo isn't a fake? Anything?
You didn't do anything to check it out, did you? You just decided to believe the ghost story.
How do you know this? Do you have any independent verification of this claim, or are you just going on the woman's statement?
Unless they were distracted or concentrating on something else, as we've agreed. For example, one of them was concentrating on smiling for the camera, one of them was concentrating on photographing her daughter and another one of them was messing with a fish in the back of the truck.
Another plausible scenario is that they definitely did know that there was no complete stranger standing around close to them when the photo was taken. How did they know this? Because they know that Mom faked the photo after the photo was taken, to post it to the interwebs and see how many Magical Realists she could sucker in with her scam.
Yet another scenario - far less plausible - that ghosts are real and there was a real, true-to-death ghost of a black man standing right there looking at the fish and smiling with approval at just how big it was.
So there you go. Apply just a little brains and you can quickly come up with three different scenarios, some more plausible, some less plausible.
Tell me why you only ever considered one scenario. Stupid? Or still clowning?
Magical Realist
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Because she was there and knows there was no man standing there. Why believe her? Because she has no reason to lie. Why do you think a 13 year old girl just taking an innocent selfie is lying about it?
Both discounted by the translucent and monochromatic appearance of the man. Unless you're claiming he was wearing a transparent cap. He simply looks nothing like a real physical person at all. Compare him to the brother right beside him.
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She was where? At the place where the photo was taken, you mean? How do you know she was there?
If the reason you believe she was there is because you trust her, and the reason you trust her is because she was there, that's all hopelessly circular, isn't it? You can see that, right?
And how do you know what she knows? Ghostly mind reading? Or because your trust her not to lie to you?
How do you know she is trustworthy?
Would 15 minutes of internet "fame" be sufficient reason for somebody to lie, perhaps?
How about faking a photograph because you just like ghost stories and want some attention? Would that be a reason to lie?
Can you really not think of any reasons she might have to lie?
I don't believe you, Magical Realist. You're clowning again, aren't you?
I haven't said she is lying about it.
How do you know she was taking an innocent selfie?
Here's some news for you: neither translucency nor monochromaticity is hard to achieve with Photoshop.
Besides, the guy in the photo isn't monochomatic, and he isn't necessarily transparent either. Are you familiar with digital photo artifacts?
That's the only explanation for his apparent transparency, is it? Other than him being a ghost, of course.
He looks a lot like a man to me. I know lots of real physical persons who also look like men. Don't you?
What am I supposed to be looking for?
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Also, I notice that you have failed to detail the steps you have taken to confirm that the photograph is authentic. Why is that? Were you just planning on ignoring that question I asked you? Is that because you've done nothing? Go on, you can tell me the truth. I already know you're lazy as hell when it comes to doing any actual work on this stuff.
P.S. Reading above, I see that you posted this exact same thing back in 2017. I forget that you and I have already been on this particular merry-go-round.
Why have you done nothing more to investigate what is clearly an important case for you, in seven years?
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Let's look at the story that goes along with this "incredible ghost photograph", shall we?
Grandparents? Not visible in the photograph. (Is Grandad a black guy who wears a baseball cap?)
But Jessica Ogletree wasn't even there! How could Jessica possibly be able to say with any confidence that her kids and the grandparents were "the only ones in that particular spot"?
We're already into third-hand hearsay at this point.
How do we know that the photo from Facebook was the same photo Haley took? How do we know that Mom Jessica didn't doctor the photo before posting it to Facebook? How do we know that Haley didn't doctor the photo before sending it to Mom Jessica?
Do we know why Mom ain't scared of no ghosts?
How do we know that Mom Jessica wasn't curious enough to see whether she could doctor up a faked photo of her own and post it to Facebook to see whether people were fooled? No malicious intent, understand. Mom Jessica just wanted to have some fun, maybe.
Present: Haley, Kolton - visible in photograph, presumably.
Grandparents? Not visible in the photograph. (Is Grandad a black guy who wears a baseball cap?)
Jessica Ogletree said this?
But Jessica Ogletree wasn't even there! How could Jessica possibly be able to say with any confidence that her kids and the grandparents were "the only ones in that particular spot"?
We're already into third-hand hearsay at this point.
So Mom Jessica says that daughter Haley sent her the photo. How? Messaging app? So are we seeing a second-hand photo, as well as listening to hearsay?
"She was going through the pictures on the way and she came across that one and freaked out," Ogletree told InsideEdition.com. "My daughter sent it to me.....
Strange. Does Haley have a history of "making it up"? Why did Jessica think that maybe Haley made it up?
So Mom Jessica shared the spooky photo to Facebook.
How do we know that the photo from Facebook was the same photo Haley took? How do we know that Mom Jessica didn't doctor the photo before posting it to Facebook? How do we know that Haley didn't doctor the photo before sending it to Mom Jessica?
Interesting, again. So Mom Jessica is not particularly concerned at this stage about the supernatural visitor in her daughter's photo. She's more interested in the big fish that son Kolton caught.
Do we know why Mom ain't scared of no ghosts?
Sounds like Mom Jessica might be having some fun with it all, doesn't it?
So now we find that Mom Jessica takes an interest in this kind of ghosty nonsense. She's seen pictures like this before.
How do we know that Mom Jessica wasn't curious enough to see whether she could doctor up a faked photo of her own and post it to Facebook to see whether people were fooled? No malicious intent, understand. Mom Jessica just wanted to have some fun, maybe.
Somebody saying "This is 100% real" is always a sure sign that something is 100% real, all right. We can be confident about that, at least.
Gawdzilla Sama
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LOL. (My emphasis) People don't need a reason to lie. And they'll lie for the least reason. You are abysmally gullible.
Magical Realist
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LOL Ahhh...so the plot thickens. First they were all distracted and didn't notice the black man standing next to the brother. Now it was all an elaborate master plan by the devious mother to photoshop the black man into the selfie unbeknownst to her daughter or anybody else. Forget the fact that the daughter would still have the original unphotoshopped pic on her cellphone. All ofcourse to make her daughter famous on the internet as someone who captured a ghost on her cellphone. Yeah.. that's a really coveted 15 minutes of fame to go thru all that trouble for. Her boring 13 yr old life must have improved immensely as a result! People mocking her online. At school. Like any 13 year old girl with braces needs that sort of attention.
B for originality. F for implausibility.
Or, as Occam's razor suggests, the girl really did capture a pic of a ghost on her cellphone. Hmmm...sometimes the answer is amazingly simple.
B for originality. F for implausibility.
Or, as Occam's razor suggests, the girl really did capture a pic of a ghost on her cellphone. Hmmm...sometimes the answer is amazingly simple.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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One would have to be very simple to accept the ghost BS.
Magical Realist
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I care more about knowing the truth than about what people may think of me.