cool, you agree people can take precautions to lower their chances of rape. that's all i wanted, you seemed to be saying 'precautions do nothing' in another post.
Oh and btw that taxi business:
Knowing all the precautions; knowing all the rules we should follow to lower the odds (ha ha ha he he he). I found myself staring into the eyes of a man who was red-eyed and angry; his teeth were actually bared. Just like a dog; imagine! And no I'm not equating men with dogs (but, but....). It is just the thing I was facing at the time. I was trapped in a taxi. The doors were locked (I tried them). There were no passers by. i looked. Just another taxi dropping another girly safely home. ha ha ha
[suspense]
And the fucker let me go. With a nice, big smirk on his face.
/smirk
cool, you agree people can take precautions to lower their chances of rape. that's all i wanted, you seemed to be saying 'precautions do nothing' in another post.
So ok if she'd worn higher heels and someone else had been the smallest and someone else had been raped in her place would it have had an impact on the overall statistics of (unreported) rape?
And, which you haven't yet answered, why wasn't anyone else raped that night?
OMG THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUT WE'D NEVER KNOW IT!
So aside from taking precautions (and by not behaving like a victim - technically speaking yet another precaution, eh gutsy/gusty). What can we do to....
Oh you get the drift.....?
Oh by the way cod are you advocating the wearing of high heels as a way of lowering a woman's chance of being raped? My gran as I said in my post was wearing standard issue army shoes. Flat lace ups.
/smirk
so you're assuming he's a rapist cos he looked mean? or what?
as for do i get it - no. could you spell it clearly for me? just be concise. cos i can't identify any argument. just stories. and 'popularity has its price'. if you're saying that there's a balance between taking precautions and enjoying life - no shit.
is the relevance of the jocks and cheerleaders that they were killed for being jocks and cheerleaders? isn't 'carry a gun' still a (relatively) effective precaution though, regardless of your attributes/persona?
no, i think the way in which any attire/attributes affect your chance to get raped depends on the rapist/situation etc.
you were suggesting that the added height from the heels would stop her being so short, which you identified as one of the rapist's motivations to rape her in particular.
how do you know there was another woman there who met the requirements of a rapist? rapists don't have quotas to fill, its ridiculous how this is suggested so often.
This is not meant to "trivialize" fear in any way. Not that anyone takes any notice of this type of disclaimer here, in fact it will probably do just the opposite, and bring on another round of attacks by the fearmongers. So be it.
Reducing your instinctual fear is admitedly an extremely difficult task, but what alternative is there other than to try? Short of eliminating the source of the fear in the first place, of course, which if I understand correctly, according to you can not be done.
too late
i already did
now
this.....
# 77% of rapes are committed by someone known to the person raped. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1997)
was in response to...
the rhetoric obviously leans towards stranger rape being more pervasive that acquaintance rape. a further extrapolation would find visceral with her guard down and in a trusting mode with the latter. it is obvious the distrust and fear is misdirected for while 33% of rapes are committed by strangers, 77% are by those she knows.
living like a prey animal, darlin? sorry, wrong venue. so much for your "visceral instinct". it is plainly outta whack.
/snigger
oh
there is 77% chance that one of the 20 might do the dirty deed.
this bring to mind a drunk girl on campus who calls a security escort (created in response to assault and rape incidences on campus) and ended up getting raped by the very guy supposed to see her dorm safe.
i tell ya!
mind fucking boggling
It's you who has to watch your body language and constantly make sure you come across as firmly non-sexual, lest the 6ft, 100kg woman whose company you are in gets the wrong ideas.
there is 77% chance that one of the 20 might do the dirty deed.
this bring to mind a drunk girl on campus who calls a security escort (created in response to assault and rape incidences on campus) and ended up getting raped by the very guy supposed to see her dorm safe.
Sniffy said:
ha ha ha she was the shortest woman
Now you see why focussing on the clothing argument is such a dodgy one?
How do you know he was a rapist already? You don't.
Maybe he was an opportunist who became a rapist on that particular night when all the right factors were in place. We'll never know if he'd done it before or if he did it again. But he himself took quite a risk, that of being caught. But then there was a war going on; he was a long way from home; he'd been watching people dancing; having a blast. Who would have blamed him?
Now then. How can we as a society or as individuals reduce the frequency and impact of sexual violence and rape?
Codanblad said:
had your gran not danced, she most likely wouldn't have been raped. that is the precaution which i would have recommended.
In the context of NAAFI? In the middle of a war? Do you understand the impact of the implications of that "precaution"? Here, try this: "I'm sorry. I cannot support the troops tonight because they might rape me."
With the result: "Good evening, soldiers. I'm sorry there are no ladies here to talk to or dance with tonight, but enough of you are dangerous to the sanctity of their persons that it seemed a reasonable and prudent precaution for them to simply not attend. Meantime, keep up the good work, and let's hear a round of applause for Joe Jazz and the Swinging Seven!"
codanblad
In the UK people are not 'allowed' to carry guns. The crims do of course but I'm not going to argue for legalising weapons so that we can go around causing even more carnage. Guns are irrelevant. I got into a taxi; you know I wasn't walking home alone; as a precautionary measure.
When I got to my destination I realised when the guy turned around to take my money that he was 'on something'. His behaviour then confirmed it. He didn't unlock the door as is normal when the fare has been paid. He kept it locked and proceeded to rant and hiss at me whilst looking me up and down in a lascivious way even though I was dressed 'none provocatively' and hadn't spoken to him for the entire journey; you know as a precaution. At any moment, you know if Ida provoked him he could have driven me to some waste ground and well. I've gone over that in my mind a few times I can tell you.
So I suppose you would have sat in that taxi whistling dixie, feeling none too bothered? Silly me for feeling somewhat afraid. You know frozen with fear. And ironically that's probably what saved me. Had I gone down another route; you know the precautionary one I might not still be here today.
Gran didn't dance with the men. She danced with her female friends. She was there because it was her job to be there. Entertaining the allies remember? I was using her as an example from the past 'when things were better because there were no feminazis about' to illustrate that actually things have changed very little. In a room full of gentlemen there only needs to be one that isn't to single out a victim who is behaving almost exactly like as everyone else in the room. I don't actually know what motivated him. He probably mentioned the dancing to lull his victim into a false sense of security. I do know that my gran was a very small woman.
The ha ha ha's well they are ironic too aren't they? You know 'sandy vaginas', you and gustav and funny little style smirk smirk. And 'randybland' Having a blast weren't you? ha ha ha he he he.
Statistics are all well and good and terribly scientific but behind each one is a person whose life has been shattered. It's not funny at all. Excuse me for getting a little emotional.