Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

wegs said:
While this makes some sense, the problem comes in when hospitals become entirely overwhelmed, and people start dying (unnecessarily) because there simply isn't enough care, beds, etc to go around. I don't think anyone wants to have such a situation happen on their watch, which is why the lock down seems like a decent idea, although not ideal either. (because of the other reasons you mention)
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Part of me wonders if Americans might rethink the uniquely American approach to medicine, wherein hospitals necessarily operate at or near capacity at all times in order to make the profit “essential” for their functioning -- and seemingly at odds with alleged "rights" implied in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and whatnots --

But then another part of me observes that a number of states are still not in lockdown, or just started, and/or they're making idiotic exceptions for things like church, and they’re, not coincidentally, overwhelmingly Red, Southern, and Bible Belt states, which also--again, not coincidentally and overwhelmingly-- have the highest percentages of high risk populace—obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and so forth

So... probably not.


Edit: wrong link at top. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hospitals/u-s-hospitals-halt-lucrative-procedures-amid-coronavirus-crisis-job-cuts-follow-idUSKBN21I388
 
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parmalee said:
Part of me wonders if Americans might rethink the uniquely American approach to medicine, wherein hospitals necessarily operate at or near capacity at all times in order to make the profit “essential” for their functioning -- and seemingly at odds with alleged "rights" implied in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and whatnots --

But then another part of me observes that a number of states are still not in lockdown, or just started, and/or they're making idiotic exceptions for things like church, and they’re, not coincidentally, overwhelmingly Red, Southern, and Bible Belt states, which also--again, not coincidentally and overwhelmingly-- have the highest percentages of high risk populace—obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and so forth

So... probably not.


Edit: wrong link at top. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hospitals/u-s-hospitals-halt-lucrative-procedures-amid-coronavirus-crisis-job-cuts-follow-idUSKBN21I388
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I'm wondering whether the USA will experience a double peak to this epidemic: an early one in the cities that have been locked down for fortnight and a later and higher one for the Red States that haven't bothered or are only now starting to do so. I'm expecting Florida to be pretty disastrous, given the age of the population. Perhaps Mar a Lago will be donated as a field hospital. That would be a nice gesture, wouldn't it? :D
 
exchemist said:
I'm wondering whether the USA will experience a double peak to this epidemic: an early one in the cities that have been locked down for fortnight and a later and higher one for the Red States that haven't bothered or are only now starting to do so. I'm expecting Florida to be pretty disastrous, given the age of the population. Perhaps Mar a Lago will be donated as a field hospital. That would be a nice gesture, wouldn't it? :D
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One thing is almost a certainty... the longer it takes to go to a lock down the worse the peak will be...the virus being able to spread more deeply into the population and once it has incubated long enough it will all explode...
 
“Making exceptions for church”
Oh dear!
This will potentially be the largest single entry in the Darwin awards.
It gives me no pleasure... but relying on the magnanimity of your interventionist god to save you from the scourge that said interventionist god just brought on your sorry arses is not all that smart is it.
Maybe you could pray from the sanctity of your own bedroom..no let’s taunt the devil, that should work.

For the daft Americans who aren’t keeping up, this is satire, sarcasm and reality rolled up like a cyanide cigarette.
 
exchemist said:
No, you're supposed to wear it on your face, not your genitals.
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This option might be less confusing (and if not, at least the expectorant would be more socially acceptable):
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7255627?oq=7255627

The user of the facemask places the cup or the mask chamber over the mouth-nose region or mouth-nose-chin region and wraps the straps around his or her head. The user can then use the facemask to help purify the inhaled air while keeping his or her hands free. Furthermore, the user can provide the other facemask to a bystander.

It is therefore an advantage of the present invention to provide a garment which is operable to be converted into a facemask.

Another advantage of the present invention is to provide a garment which is operable to be converted into a plurality of facemasks.

Yet another advantage of the present invention is to increase accessibility to facemasks.
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parmalee said:
Part of me wonders if Americans might rethink the uniquely American approach to medicine, wherein hospitals necessarily operate at or near capacity at all times in order to make the profit “essential” for their functioning -- and seemingly at odds with alleged "rights" implied in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and whatnots --

But then another part of me observes that a number of states are still not in lockdown, or just started, and/or they're making idiotic exceptions for things like church, and they’re, not coincidentally, overwhelmingly Red, Southern, and Bible Belt states, which also--again, not coincidentally and overwhelmingly-- have the highest percentages of high risk populace—obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and so forth

So... probably not.


Edit: wrong link at top. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hospitals/u-s-hospitals-halt-lucrative-procedures-amid-coronavirus-crisis-job-cuts-follow-idUSKBN21I388
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Good points. The states that are making exceptions for churches, temples, mosques, etc (and these institutions are not subject to the CDC social distancing guidelines for some reason) are going to have one helluva problem on their hands, when the hospitals get overwhelmed with patients who have CV19 symptoms. It's all about votes, in my opinion. Votes from the right wing, conservative crew, to be specific.

I'm a believer, and I'm not offended that churches are closed. Honestly, I don't really attend church services much, but I'll stream services online, even before the pandemic.

The most loving thing that any religious leader could do right now, is to protect others from this virus. Shame on any religious leader who encourages his congregation to ignore the CDC guidelines and cram themselves into a packed church/temple/mosque, etc. The governors of these states should be held accountable when their hospitals are overflowing with ill patients.

But, it's all about votes, sadly. There's no other logical reason behind why places of worship are exempted from adhering to CDC guidelines. If religious institutions were being targeted then sure, that would be wrong. But, if we aren't permitted to assemble in town halls, schools, malls, restaurants, etc ...why are we permitted to be shoulder to shoulder in a ''place of worship?''

Thankfully, some of the churches in my area are not opening until May, despite the fact that in my state, the governor has loosened the rules here for religious institutions.
 
Came across this document while searching "primary barrier" after something I heard on the radio

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0001/v1/download

"Regardless of the coronavirus type, immune cells like mast cells that are present in the submucosa of the respiratory tract and nasal cavity are considered as the primary barrier against this virus ."

Might there be some "primary barriers" that are more robust than others so that an infection is less damaging than otherwise?

Might a "dry" respiratory tract/nasal cavity be less efficient than otherwise (I know that drinking water is not considered efficacious but perhaps healthy mucus might be important?)

btw I imagine that document is possibly very unreliable as it must be out of date by now.
 
geordief said:
Came across this document while searching "primary barrier" after something I heard on the radio

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0001/v1/download

"Regardless of the coronavirus type, immune cells like mast cells that are present in the submucosa of the respiratory tract and nasal cavity are considered as the primary barrier against this virus ."

Might there be some "primary barriers" that are more robust than others so that an infection is less damaging than otherwise?

Might a "dry" respiratory tract/nasal cavity be less efficient than otherwise (I know that drinking water is not considered efficacious but perhaps healthy mucus might be important?)

btw I imagine that document is possibly very unreliable as it must be out of date by now.
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I've certainly read that dried out mucosa leave you liable to infection, hence the recommendation to drink plenty on long flights and so forth.
 
exchemist said:
I've certainly read that dried out mucosa leave you liable to infection, hence the recommendation to drink plenty on long flights and so forth.
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I have found a detailed (and ,from the bit I have read apparently quite sensible even though the author is a herbalist) article on the subject that goes into what they consider to be the importance of avoiding dried out mucosa.


https://www.eclecticschoolofherbalmedicine.com/covid-19/


I am a bit puzzled why keeping hydrated is not officially being promoted in the current pandemic if it has this beneficial effect on the mucosa.

I wonder whether it might be possible to quantify the benefit of having healthy mucosa rather than the dried out variety.

Might it impact upon the severity of the infection or upon the likelihood of it taking hold in the first place? (both? neither?)

Might it be that the effect is on the small side and so a distraction in the larger scheme?
 
geordief said:
I am a bit puzzled why keeping hydrated is not officially being promoted in the current pandemic if it has this beneficial effect on the mucosa.
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You read the response from members here when I posted (#536) on just that issue using testimony from Wuhan?
Have another read of all the reactions to my post and you may find clues as to your answer.
 
parmalee said:
Part of me wonders if Americans might rethink the uniquely American approach to medicine, wherein hospitals necessarily operate at or near capacity at all times in order to make the profit “essential” for their functioning -- and seemingly at odds with alleged "rights" implied in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and whatnots --

But then another part of me observes that a number of states are still not in lockdown, or just started, and/or they're making idiotic exceptions for things like church, and they’re, not coincidentally, overwhelmingly Red, Southern, and Bible Belt states, which also--again, not coincidentally and overwhelmingly-- have the highest percentages of high risk populace—obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and so forth

So... probably not.


Edit: wrong link at top. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hospitals/u-s-hospitals-halt-lucrative-procedures-amid-coronavirus-crisis-job-cuts-follow-idUSKBN21I388
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It would be considered normal for hospitals and health services to work to a near capacity. What is not happening though is that there is little to no coordinated contingency planning where by that capacity can be rapidly expanded if necessary.
Some nations, appear to have such contingency planning for extreme surge capacity, most do not.
The nations that do have this planning can rapidly respond to a bio security crisis, especially since the world has known for some time that the possibility of a SARS pandemic was highly probable and that bio warfare is a constant threat especially now that we have gene editing technologies.
No contingency planning = disaster.
The current painful and confused state in the USA is primarily due to the lack of contingency planning. IMO.

Australia also lacked any solid surge planning, but because we have a relatively small and geographically dispersed population, we had/have time to come up to speed.

Suffice to say the world is on a fast learning curve, and we can only hope we learn what we need to learn.
 
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Mask 4 all ~Czech Republic
"I protect you, you protect me"
I think it is important to think longer term. In Australia the Government is planning for 6 months minimum. That's a long time to be isolated at home. Leaving the home to do only essential things like shopping etc. is ok for short period but 6 months or more is not going to be successful unless we adapt to the new norm.
 
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wegs said:
Is it just me, or should Trump stop pretending like he's a doctor, and just leave the CV19 briefings and updates for the medical professionals? Those poor people, having to deal with this guy...I can't even imagine. :redface:

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/h...eads/523-a226776c-e5c5-421e-8839-7dd438510877
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All I can do is give you my solution to this and other problems related to being stuck around the house too much.

Native American flute (key of G) ($100).

I just got it, it's easy to learn to play, it's fun and relaxing and I'm not the type to just sit and watch much TV even in the best of times and certainly not now when doom and gloom is all that is on.

I watch enough to keep informed and then I have to find something else to do.

Not that my way is better. I have a Charango arriving Monday and then I have to quit spending money in an attempt to entertain myself (although I did just order some grass seeds since every non-essential store is closed here).
 
Seattle said:
All I can do is give you my solution to this and other problems related to being stuck around the house too much.

Native American flute (key of G) ($100).

I just got it, it's easy to learn to play, it's fun and relaxing and I'm not the type to just sit and watch much TV even in the best of times and certainly not now when doom and gloom is all that is on.

I watch enough to keep informed and then I have to find something else to do.

Not that my way is better. I have a Charango arriving Monday and then I have to quit spending money in an attempt to entertain myself (although I did just order some grass seeds since every non-essential store is closed here).
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I've been running and hiking. Don't worry about me lol But, I like to stay informed, although the news is quite heavy and Trump's antics are super upsetting.

As an aside, I have my dad's piano and have taken to playing again. Somewhat reluctantly. I have post traumatic stress (not really) from having a tough task master piano teacher, when I was a kid. But, I've been practicing Clair De Lune these past few weeks, and it's coming along pretty well. I have small hands, and so many classics and renaissance music was written with larger hands in mind (male composers) to cover all these notes. Having to ''break chords'' because my hands simply won't stretch. -_-

The Native American flute ...similar to a ''recorder?''
 
wegs said:
I've been running and hiking. Don't worry about me lol But, I like to stay informed, although the news is quite heavy and Trump's antics are super upsetting.

As an aside, I have my dad's piano and have taken to playing again. Somewhat reluctantly. I have post traumatic stress (not really) from having a tough task master piano teacher, when I was a kid. But, I've been practicing Clair De Lune these past few weeks, and it's coming along pretty well. I have small hands, and so many classics and renaissance music was written with larger hands in mind (male composers) to cover all these notes. Having to ''break chords'' because my hands simply won't stretch. -_-

The Native American flute ...similar to a ''recorder?''
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It's bigger and they are tuned to a minor pentatonic scale although you can play anything on them.

Mine has a lower voicing than a recorder. This is what it sounds like...

 
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