Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

[RainbowSingularity]

That's the point, the evidence is all over these forums, they are the words you post here and they lack reason. How many folks will it take to tell you lack reason before you understand you lack reason?

i knew a guy for some 25 years(best friend)
he has schizophrenia
the schizophrenia disrupted his ability to connect some aspects in his mind
even though he could kinda see it making sense in another part

fascinating
very bright, but the schizophrenia was sitting there for years un diagnosed like a sea anchor around parts of his mind and a drag racer into a brick wall in other aspects(mania kinda ocd stuff)
very genuine friendly & intelligent
but as time goes on and stress comes in
the mental illness starts to take a stronger hold as it sinks its claws in
that's where regular medication allows the claws to not dig in so deeply to steer the mind off a cliff or into a brick wall.

usa society have no mental health system
it doesn't make profit
so it doesn't exist
in-spite of usa psychologists & psychiatrists attempting to build one.

 

[Michael 345]

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[RainbowSingularity]

"where is my Black Guy" ?

here he is

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html

Washington (CNN)Herman Cain, a onetime Republican presidential candidate and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, has died from coronavirus, according to an obituary sent from his verified Twitter account and Newsmax, where he was launching a television show.

Cain, 74, was hospitalized earlier this month, and his Twitter account said this week he was being treated with oxygen in his lungs. It is unknown where Cain contracted the virus.
"We knew when he was first hospitalized with COVID-19 that this was going to be a rough fight," Dan Calabrese, the editor of HermanCain.com since 2012, wrote in a post Thursday. "He had trouble breathing and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. We all prayed that the initial meds they gave him would get his breathing back to normal, but it became clear pretty quickly that he was in for a battle."
As a co-chair of Black Voices for Trump, Cain was one of the surrogates at President Donald Trump's June 20 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma -- which saw at least eight Trump advance team staffers in attendance test positive for coronavirus. Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh has told CNN that Cain did not meet with Trump at the Tulsa rally.
Cain had posted a photo of himself at the rally, seated closely among other attendees without a facial covering.

mixed messages about the removal of the 2nd amendment may be all fun & games
but mixed messages about the global pandemic appears to be costing thousands of lives in many countrys.
hundreds of deaths every day

i wonder if the conspiracy theorists believe nuclear weapons are real or a hoax perpetrated by nasa to sell pens that you can write with underwater
(it all seems a bit effen nuts)

 

[Quantum Quack]

"where is my Black Guy" ?

here he is

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html


mixed messages about the removal of the 2nd amendment may be all fun & games
but mixed messages about the global pandemic appears to be costing thousands of lives in many countrys.
hundreds of deaths every day

i wonder if the conspiracy theorists believe nuclear weapons are real or a hoax perpetrated by nasa to sell pens that you can write with underwater
(it all seems a bit effen nuts)

It is sad, regardless of political persuasion etc, that he, like so many others around the world, was not able to apply the little bit of critical thought that could have saved his and so many other peoples lives, future livelihoods and life styles.
Too easily swayed by popular opinion, presidential negligence and the pull of a leaking wallet. A wallet that will continue to leak/empty until people realise what it is going to take to repair the damn thing...
Perhaps his death will be instrumental in Trump being stood aside or standing aside to allow those with better skills and characters, to help guide the USA into a better place. But then again perhaps not... not yet anyhow..
R.I.P.

 

[Quantum Quack]

According to live media reports the USA markets are definitely reacting negatively to Trumps repeating his unfounded politically motivated conspiracy theory concerning voter mail fraud in the upcoming election with the view to persuading it's postponement due to COVID concerns that haven't stopped him from pushing to reopen and reduce quarantine provisions.
If ti is safe to reopen the economy then it is safe to hold an election yes?
I tend to think that the USA citizenry are staring to realise the scale of Trumps ...uhm... God complex...

 

[Quantum Quack]

An interesting phrase has appeared in the media today:
USA Pandemic = "Republican Pandemic..." due to the disproportionate numbers or cases and deaths involving republican governed states...

 

[iceaura]

But I’m sure you are right about the other factors too.

One of the factors is the confusion and ineptitude of data collection and compilation in the US. Between the universal under-reporting of covid deaths, the refusal to count auxiliary deaths (from damage to the care delivery system, drug shortages, etc), the State by State and even hospital by hospital inconsistencies in data collection, the emergence of apparently serious long term or long delayed injury from the infection, and the political pressure to downplay the disease and its effects, it's beginning to look like we will have to wait for the historians's forensics to get an accurate read on how many people in the US were killed by this virus in the first wave.

One of the keys there will be how badly the Republicans screw up the census.

 

[Vociferous]

ok since im tired of you screaming argumentum ad populum anytime anyone points out the miriad of people who have proven you wrong. the argument is not what your representing. you are claiming it means merely pointing out to you how many people have debunked you arguments is the fallacy its not. the fallacy is saying your wrong simply because a lot of people disagree with you which no one is doing. the fact you have repeatedly shown that intelligence and ability to reason to you is entirely linked to whether someone agrees with you is kind of damning. also most of your arguments come across as a monkey banging on a sound board of conservative talking points. you've yet to have anything come across as an original thought. quite frankly you are a text book of dunning-kruegar, you are so far in the bubble you no longer have the capacity to effectively evaluate information. yes yes i know its all of us in the bubble and you are the only sane man. blah blah. should i write your reply for you its not like its gonna be original?


also seriously the left doesn't have a sense of humor? this is literally the dumbest thing you have ever said, which is saying a lot, given the plethora of articles on the fact conservatives struggle with comedy.

Disagreeing doesn't prove anything. And people simply agreeing that they disagree with me is a fallacious argument that their opinion is valid. I get that you really, strongly, and seriously feel that you have debunked something, but you obviously lack the intellectual rigor to grasp the difference between debunking and merely disagreeing.

And that something must come across, to you, as an original argument smacks of genetic fallacy. If I similarly dismissed, out of hand, any leftist talking point you parroted, I'd have nothing left to respond to. Again, the real world doesn't allow conservatives to avoid leftist/Democrat opinion/agenda, whereas the ubiquity of leftist/Democrat bias in all media and entertainment does allow for a leftist bubble. You being unaware of that fact is a clear indicator of you being the bubble-dweller, where you need only avoid a few (one?) media sources with the reach to even blip your radar.

In politics, the left has no sense of humor. Hence the right being better at memes and the left desperately trying to dox memers and censor conservatives online.

 

[paddoboy]

I tend to think that the USA citizenry are staring to realise the scale of Trumps ...uhm... God complex...

Not really a laughing matter, but when you couple his God complex, with his lying through his teeth complex, and his many other "qualities" like gun toting red neckery, womanising and stupidity, then I must ask again, how the hell did this fucking fool ever get elected.

 

[paddoboy]

Disagreeing doesn't prove anything. And people simply agreeing that they disagree with me is a fallacious argument that their opinion is valid. I get that you really, strongly, and seriously feel that you have debunked something, but you obviously lack the intellectual rigor to grasp the difference between debunking and merely disagreeing.

And there we have a fallaciously inspired, vociferously fabricated, knee jerk rejection of fact.

And that something must come across, to you, as an original argument smacks of genetic fallacy. If I similarly dismissed, out of hand, any leftist talking point you parroted, I'd have nothing left to respond to. Again, the real world doesn't allow conservatives to avoid leftist/Democrat opinion/agenda, whereas the ubiquity of leftist/Democrat bias in all media and entertainment does allow for a leftist bubble. You being unaware of that fact is a clear indicator of you being the bubble-dweller, where you need only avoid a few (one?) media sources with the reach to even blip your radar.

In politics, the left has no sense of humor. Hence the right being better at memes and the left desperately trying to dox memers and censor conservatives online.

The evil leftists No mention of atheists? Just the fabricated excuse making machine, attempting to explain away the ravings of a lunatic in the white house.

 

[Vociferous]

An interesting phrase has appeared in the media today:
USA Pandemic = "Republican Pandemic..." due to the disproportionate numbers or cases and deaths involving republican governed states...

Deaths per million of population is still overwhelmingly higher in Democrat states.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Deaths per million of population is still overwhelmingly higher in Democrat states.

but how do you know?
The Republican states have a disproportionate amount of statistical manipulation, deception, lying and delusion...as demonstrated by their leader Trump. ( the master of self deception)
so how can you know?
How good can a liar discern a lie?

 

[Vociferous]

but how do you know?
The Republican states have a disproportionate amount of statistical manipulation, deception, lying and delusion...as demonstrated by their leader Trump. ( the master of self deception)
so how can you know?
How good can a liar discern a lie?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But if you want to dismiss all statistics just over claims of manipulation, your claim of "disproportionate numbers or cases and deaths involving republican governed states" is equally dismissed. Not that I expect any intellectual honesty from you.

 

[Quantum Quack]

In my immediate suburban region (population 300k) we have 118 confirmed cases, currently in level 3 lock down and about to go to level 4.
Mask wearing is observably about 99% and laws to detain those who refuse to wear masks in some form of isolation ( 14 days) are being discussed.

 

[Quantum Quack]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But if you want to dismiss all statistics just over claims of manipulation, your claim of "disproportionate numbers or cases and deaths involving republican governed states" is equally dismissed. Not that I expect any intellectual honesty from you.

lol sounds a bit like Trumps postulating about the upcoming election doesn't it?

either way, the phrase or label "Republican Pandemic" will probably stick because it leans towards the truth that Trumps leadership or lack there of, has inspired Republican states to underestimate their predicament.

As I suggested (in the other thread ) immediately after Trumps inauguration where he lied under oath, Trump will most likely be the cause for the destruction of his own party. Validated by a massive change in Congress and the obvious loss of objectivity in the senate.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Perhaps his death

no
youknowhwo is untouchable in such ways
ive said that rarely but consistently
there are some things that just are
i dont understand us politics how it works with the house & senate
i thought it would be very partisan but from the odd news paper article i see that everyones friends and children all work for each other and they all swap camps depending on which way the wind blows, then claim everything is about some moral concept
and something else and blah blah blah

it confuses me slightly that USA moral heart & values does not wish want or desire to make universal health care a core family value morality.

but ... such is the confusing nature of complex human layers of stuff

equally i am somewhat bemused with the USA culture to turn mass shootings into family movie entertainment and the adoration for serial killers.

but when i think of the people like a 14 year old child fascinated with blood gore sex & hurting people and stealing things and arguing about being righteous in selfish indignation etc etc
it all seems to fit quite nicely

14yo wants the gun
wants the car
wants the sex(not to have sex but is fascinated with sex, the projected concept of 14yos being hot n horny for it is a projected emotional illness created by their environment)
would 14yo's be at it like rabbits in the fields if teachers did not stop them at school ?
i doubt it

but 1 thing early teens are good at is spreading germs
and
doing the opposite of what is practical and logical
you could almost say the teenage brain is hard wired to do the opposite of logical and practical(via hormonal[& sexual] & emotional & psychological & social development)
(dear moms n dads of 14 yo girls dressing up in short skirts and trying to get boys to notice them... lol you asked for it serves you right , thats not sex, thats development on many different levels simultaneously)

but that 14 yo boy your daughter is kinda noticing ...
and you thinking
god ! please let him be normal
that 14yo boy(psycho/sexual/emotional development stage)
is running the world and the country, that is the average social consciousness level of intellect

 

[RainbowSingularity]

conspiracy theory concerning voter mail fraud

its not really virus related
but yes
more so with the other republican governors/senators saying their core majority voters vote by mail
its like watching the school boy bully roll the bag of candy under the school bus and grin at everyone

the mixed messages about that core issue will loosen his core support among moderate republican elected officials whom rely on mail votes to hold their huge aristocratic working class tax payer funded salary's

election yes?

an official commented yesterday that has declared the reality of what will happen

civil war didnt stop the elections
covid19 wont

but youknowwho commented saying he doesn't want to be waiting months for re counts because of fraudulent votes
reality is marginal seats requiring re counts which decide the countrys CEO
by a tiny margin
swinging back n forth

im sure the country will run along perfectly ok without a president sitting there
though
that will be a spray can of fluorescent paint outlining the words "autocracy" which then invalidates strangle holds of power conceptually

i was expecting to see youknowwho do a near complete U turn on basic principals and start man-hugging the likes of flossy

i dont see any way for the hospitals to cope when next flu season hits without a strong lock-down process being started again as soon as possible to pull the massive spread of infection

the other note flossy made was the age change of those dying
has dropped by 10 years
this is either
significant, or a serious concern
either way
these type of things should be the news headlines, not what kim cardigan cash me in is spending her money on some gucci plastic chinese usa branded what-eva

this mail vote issue may swing toward biden if youknowwho keeps talking tin foil hat stuff about it
while it may not be enough to swing those hard liner right seat votes, it may be enough to swing the swingers toward independents to just knock the tiny fraction off the top that is needed to win

anywho
they dont pay me to give them advice
and they are all richer than i could ever imagine
rich peoples problems

 

[RainbowSingularity]

An interesting phrase has appeared in the media today:
USA Pandemic = "Republican Pandemic..." due to the disproportionate numbers or cases and deaths involving republican governed states...

why do you think yoho made a public set up to attack aoc and try and paint cross hairs for the crazies on her
because his state where he should be doing his actual job is effectively in a state of need for marshal law
but he is the do nothing boss
he just wants the money and the power and to not do anything

Florida is going to be decimated since their leaders are effectively doing nothing and spending the voters money on hi flyer jet life life styles while playing hide in the bushes stalking the hot girl to slut shame her to the other kids
he should in the front lines leading as he chose to do as a job
but he is not
missing in action
deserter
ran away from the battle
...

perfect storm for boat loads of refugees to start turning up on the florida coast with all sorts of diseases

rich peoples problems

rich people are being paid millions of working class tax payer money to give stupid advice to make rich people look good.

Rich peoples problems

 

[RainbowSingularity]

In my immediate suburban region (population 300k) we have 118 confirmed cases, currently in level 3 lock down and about to go to level 4.
Mask wearing is observably about 99% and laws to detain those who refuse to wear masks in some form of isolation ( 14 days) are being discussed.

better late than never
but policing of the rules needs to be stepped up to comply or be complied
all those in aussie defying the rules are setting fire to piles of all the other Aussies cash(mortgages jobs schools hospitals)
and dancing around it laughing
they need to be taught the consequences & quickly & publicly

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Back to the real story
thanks for ice~Aura for the link

One

The vaccine uses synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA) to inoculate against the coronavirus. Such treatments help the body immunize against a virus and can potentially be developed and manufactured more quickly than traditional vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/27/mod...ward-for-coronavirus-vaccine-development.html

Key Points

• Coronavirus antibodies may last only two to three months after a person becomes infected with Covid-19, according to a new study published Thursday in Nature Medicine.
• Researchers in the Wanzhou District of China compared the antibody response of 37 asymptomatic people with that of 37 symptomatic people. The researchers found people without symptoms had a weaker antibody response than those with symptoms.
• Additionally, within eight weeks, antibodies fell to undetectable levels in 40% of asymptomatic people, compared with 12.9% of symptomatic people, according to the study’s findings.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...weaker-in-asymptomatic-cases-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...uld-disappear-in-months-a-new-study-suggests/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/18/cor...-3-months-after-infection-study-suggests.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-antibodies-fade-months-study/story?id=71406787

SOoo . . . ...

from my general take on the few scientists i have chatted with
they are not the type that want to fake science
so it goes to logic assumption that those working on a vaccine believe they are actually working on a vaccine that works

a vaccination every ? ... 5 months ?
(just a rough guess based on probable adverse reactions and need to adjust for the bodys ability to cope etc)

that's 2 vaccinations per yer per person
plus 1 flu vaccination, maybe 2