Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

exchemist said:
I would in most case agree with your sentiments but this is not just a case of politics I do not like.

If Trump forces a partition of Ukraine and declines to confirm US commitment to Article 5 of NATO, then we in Europe are in serious danger. Putin will have his eyes on Moldova next and will start to work on destabilising the Baltic States. And he may well come back for the rest of Ukraine after a year or two. Further afield, Israel will feel able to complete its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in Gaza and take over the territory, displacing or killing 2 million people. Who can stop them?

The selfishness and irresponsibility of Trump will cost countless lives and leave the world in a state in which grabbing territory by force of arms is once again the norm.
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Good points. Maybe Europe should learn to protect itself? Let the Middle East play out as it will as well.
 
exchemist said:
The selfishness and irresponsibility of Trump will cost countless lives and leave the world in a state in which grabbing territory by force of arms is once again the norm.
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On the up-side, with the fascist dominoes deregulating business and halting climate action, there won't be much territory to grab. Just more and more humans clinging onto the hilltops.
 
The wishing of political enemies dead, suggesting assassination would be a good thing... wtf?

I think one of the worst human traits is that we feel good about use of violence, so long as we think the victims are bad and therefore deserve it. Such actions have consequences and they are unlikely to be the "ah, that's better" one that is imagined. I don't think you can make things better by playing such games on that slippery slope. I don't know how Americans can make America better but abandoning the rule of law - even flawed as that can be - won't do it.
 
Ken Fabian said:
The wishing of political enemies dead, suggesting assassination would be a good thing... wtf?

I think one of the worst human traits is that we feel good about use of violence, so long as we think the victims are bad and therefore deserve it. Such actions have consequences and they are unlikely to be the "ah, that's better" one that is imagined. I don't think you can make things better by playing such games on that slippery slope. I don't know how Americans can make America better but abandoning the rule of law - even flawed as that can be - won't do it.
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I don't think anyone actually did this though--that was sculptor, a known pathologically dishonest troll, who introduced that idea.
 
parmalee said:
CAn you give me an example as to how "progressives" pose an existential threat? And historic precedent as well, perhaps?
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Sure, they destroy all incentives and ignore all known negative side-effects. Our economy is what powers everything. Progresses seem to think there is a free lunch. There isn't.

You can give money to first time home buyers but that just makes housing more expensive. You can defund the police but you will get more crime. You can guarantee mortgages for people who can't afford them but eventually...they won't be able to afford those mortgages. You can push for everyone to go to college and claim to make it more affordable with loans. This only makes college more expensive.

It's just a race for the bottom.
 
Magical Realist said:
A silver lining..I can't believe we are still fighting for this..

"Ten states considered adding language guaranteeing abortion rights in their state constitutions during this year’s elections.

Voters in seven of the states approved the ballot questions. Three rejected them.

The results mean a dramatic redrawing of the map for abortion access in parts of the country. Half of the measures cement existing abortion protections that were already outlined in state law."

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Can we make it retroactive? The abortion, not the redrawing.
 
Seattle said:
Sure, they destroy all incentives and ignore all known negative side-effects. Our economy is what powers everything. Progresses seem to think there is a free lunch. There isn't.

You can give money to first time home buyers but that just makes housing more expensive. You can defund the police but you will get more crime. You can guarantee mortgages for people who can't afford them but eventually...they won't be able to afford those mortgages. You can push for everyone to go to college and claim to make it more affordable with loans. This only makes college more expensive.

It's just a race for the bottom.
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parmalee said:
Can you give me an example as to how "progressives" pose an existential threat? And historic precedent as well, perhaps?
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Write4U said:
Unfortunately, Trump has no longer any legal liabilities. SCOTUS has declared that the US President can not be held responsible for any crime, including murder.

If anything can be done, it can only be done before Trump is sworn in as President.
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Scotus ruled a president immune from prosecution for actions that are a part of official duties of office - not quite the same thing. That's why Smith was able to retrofit his charging document to prosecute for actions outside the scope of official duties - which many of them were. Of course, that's all moot now when Smith is dismissed as independent counsel by whoever Trump puts in as AG, and all charges dropped. At that point, rule of law and separation of powers will end.
 
Ken Fabian said:
I think they actually did, eg "If someone shot Trump, I'd certainly raise a glass of champagne to his death." (Not Sculptor). With Likes.
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Ahh. Yeah, you're correct.

I don't know, on one hand this is a time to be grateful for the pencil-pushing, bureaucrat, "deep state" types, who are otherwise a bit frustrating. At the same time, legal avenues are rapidly growing thinner or vanishing entirely and it's hard to even conceive potentially viable "solutions" or recourse.

So the sentiment is understandable, at least, in the absence of other possibilities. Of course, then there's JD Vance and so forth, so...
 
exchemist said:
I would in most case agree with your sentiments but this is not just a case of politics I do not like.

If Trump forces a partition of Ukraine and declines to confirm US commitment to Article 5 of NATO, then we in Europe are in serious danger. Putin will have his eyes on Moldova next and will start to work on destabilising the Baltic States. And he may well come back for the rest of Ukraine after a year or two. Further afield, Israel will feel able to complete its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in Gaza and take over the territory, displacing or killing 2 million people. Who can stop them?

The selfishness and irresponsibility of Trump will cost countless lives and leave the world in a state in which grabbing territory by force of arms is once again the norm.
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Oh there's no doubt of the existential threats. What's problematic is that an assassin's bullet can't take out the whole MAGA power structure and the 70-plus million Americans who believe in these destructive politics. And if you kill a few, they are like Hydra heads, instantly replaced and doubled. Plus the other problem with whacking heads of state and their lines of succession is that of becoming a banana republic in terms of cultural norms where assassination is routine and all politics laced with lethal violence.

No good answers that I can see.
 
parmalee said:
I don't think anyone actually did this though--that was sculptor, a known pathologically dishonest troll, who introduced that idea.
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If you posted that in hopes of continuing a civil discourse:
I just gotta let you know:
That you are way off the mark.
 
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