Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

billvon said:
Looks like you don't understand the term "progressive." Is it too "woke" for you?
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It's not effective. Giving someone $25K as a first time home buyer just raising the cost of a house by $25k. Education loans raise the cost of education. Guaranteeing sub-prime mortgages still doesn't make the house any more affordable.

Not understanding inflation isn't helpful. Modern Monetary Theory isn't reality. It goes on and on. Perhaps you don't really understand "progressive"?
 
Seattle said:
It's not effective. Giving someone $25K as a first time home buyer just raising the cost of a house by $25k.
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Ah you think progressive is "subsidy!" No. The term for that is "subsidy."

Progressives are adherents of a political philosophy that tries to advance the human condition through social reform, generally through changes in society, government, science and technology. For example, progressives wanted to end slavery by passing laws that prevented it. This was a huge social change, and a great many people fought against it. Progressives wanted to legalize gay marriage - again a huge change, and again accomplished against a great deal of opposition from conservatives.

Progressives who advocate for reduction of climate change might push electric cars and renewable energy - new technologies that help humanity by reducing the future severity of global warming. Progressives who support LGBT causes might advocate for equal rights for trans people by allowing them the same access to technology as cis people - specifically, plastic surgery.

Think of progressives as the top of the Overton window. Below them you have 'vanilla' liberals, then middle of the roaders, then conservatives, then fundamentalists.
 
billvon said:
Ah you think progressive is "subsidy!" No. The term for that is "subsidy."

Progressives are adherents of a political philosophy that tries to advance the human condition through social reform, generally through changes in society, government, science and technology. For example, progressives wanted to end slavery by passing laws that prevented it. This was a huge social change, and a great many people fought against it. Progressives wanted to legalize gay marriage - again a huge change, and again accomplished against a great deal of opposition from conservatives.

Progressives who advocate for reduction of climate change might push electric cars and renewable energy - new technologies that help humanity by reducing the future severity of global warming. Progressives who support LGBT causes might advocate for equal rights for trans people by allowing them the same access to technology as cis people - specifically, plastic surgery.

Think of progressives as the top of the Overton window. Below them you have 'vanilla' liberals, then middle of the roaders, then conservatives, then fundamentalists.
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I understand how terms have been bastardized. I understand that progressive use to mean "progress" rather than going backward or a being a "Luddite".

I'll still stand with my characterization of actual "progressive" policies.. They are ineffective and why we now have a President Trump again.
 
Biden got about 81 million votes to Trumps 71 million in 2020. Trump managed to gain another million or so votes this time round but Harris got less than 70 million. What happened to the 10+ million voters who came out in 2020 but not this time round?

Arguments to be made:

America is still not ready to elect a female president, but is starting to accept the idea a bit more considering Clinton got 65 million votes in 2016.

The blame therefore can be placed squarely on the Democratic Party and the voters for not showing up. They might have won.

Republicans may have somehow managed to steal this election and we may never know. They've been working on planting people in the government and will continue to do so based on Project 2025. Have millions of Dem votes been purged in Red states?

Joe Biden could have won this election, but was pushed out by people who panicked. The Democratic party should have rallied behind him considering he managed to win in 2020.

Funding for the Republicans outnumbered the Democrats by 7-1, easily, which doesn't include the 'dark money' funneled in by oligarchs The Dems spent about $1 billion while it may show the GOP spent anywhere from $15-$20 billion.

Conservative billionaires have multiple media platforms and channels while Progressives are struggling with having only a couple... MSNBC for example. Right-wing propaganda is blasted out non-stop, 24/7 all over America.

Perhaps, the 250 year old 'Freedom and Liberty' experiment has run it's course and now it's time for Fascism and the predicted dystopian society we've all been dreading.

As well, Xi, Kim, Orban and Putin are all jumping up and down like little kids with new toys. Ukraine will fall, Gaza will get paved over and become Trump tower ME.

We are all screwed, folks.
 
billvon said:
OK. In that case, I shall refer to "conservatives" as "people who want to greatly increase the debt." Since that's actually what they do.
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Feel free to do so. That's another bastardized term along with "liberal".

I don't really care what you call a bad policy. It's the policies that I am focusing on. If "slavery" is all you have, you probably have a losing argument. We're all against slavery.
 
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