Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

Yes, devil spawn. You are quite nuanced I see.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Matthew 24:3-5
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
 
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Matthew 24:3-5
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
Is quoting from the Bible meaningful to you?
 
Other than her work as a prosecutor, an Attorney General and a Senator. So we don't have to guess.



Facts are not a "gotcha" - especially when a politician lies about them and uses them to attack his opponent. Pointing out that misinformation, and stating the correct information, is not a gotcha unless you are invested in those lies and need people to believe them. Although many Trump reporters do indeed see facts as annoying "gotchas."*


She made naloxone widely available over the counter. She also put $82 billion towards fentanyl addiction treatment.



My solution to misinformation is to provide the correct information. Yours seems to be "I have no idea, who cares?"

My solution to lack of education is more education.

And I regularly list my alternatives. How odd that you miss them.

(* - since you have been very sensitive to this in the past, I am not calling you a Trump supporter.)
Do you see any validity to any non-progressive economics policies? Would you ever come up with a policy like defund the police? I do understand what it was a reaction to but it was a ridiculous reaction nevertheless or do you disagree?

Do you think more spending is the best response to inflation that came from stimulating the economy in the first place?
 
Do you see any validity to any non-progressive economics policies?
Of course. Most economics policies are not progressive, simply because a great many of them are old and work fine with no changes. For example, a central bank, or fiat money.

Would you ever come up with a policy like defund the police?

Nope. I might REfund the police, and hire more specialists and fewer beat cops if there was a specific problem (like homelessness or drug addiction) that was taking too much of a beat cops time, or putting them in situations they are not trained for.

I do understand what it was a reaction to but it was a ridiculous reaction nevertheless or do you disagree?

Defunding the police? I don't think that would work, if that's your question.

Do you think more spending is the best response to inflation that came from stimulating the economy in the first place?

No.
 
I think there is too much emphasis on Trump. He is who he is and the fact is that now, he is the President.
The concern there is that his personality will play too big a role in the policies he tries to enact, such as being vindictive, seeking retribution for personal delights etc. Most of that will be internal to the US, sure, but his brash narcissism may lead him to foreign policy that only serves to embolden those we'd rather it didn't. Not to mention worsen climate action.
The question is, where do we go from here? I'm more concerned with the US debt but I'll mention Ukraine first. Yes, he could have a great influence there and that does affect Europe. However, why is that the case?

Europe is more affected by what happens and Europe is roughly the size of the US. So if the US does less to supply arms (if that's the way it turns out) then Europe can do more to take up the slack.

If they don't, it's their fault, not ours. The only way for the US to not always be a war is...to not always be at war.
Of course Europe will pick up what slack it can in that regard, but it's not just about supplying arms. First Trump is oblivious, deliberately or otherwise, that Europe currently provides more support to Ukraine than the US. And it's right that we should.
Second, if US reduces its support that will embolden Russia. And likely China as well wrt Taiwan.
Thirdly, his "I'll sort it out in a day" rhetoric likely involves him and Putin agreeing a settlement, and trying to force Ukraine to accept it. Which will embolden Russia etc. Bear in mind that the next country after Ukraine would be a NATO member. Maybe Trump wants to pull the US out of NATO. It would also embolden China that the US would not intervene as and when it goes for Taiwan.

With regard Musk being head of an efficiency drive, he at least has some experience in that... he took a large well-used profitable company, slashed headcount, and now it is a cesspit of right-wing propaganda, losing vast amounts of money, and no longer an enjoyable place for many that they left. Maybe that'll be in store for the US as a whole? ;)
As for his other companies, his idea of efficiency is to work people as hard as he himself works. By all accounts neither SpaceX or Tesla are particularly pleasant places to work, at least not unless you want to work all hours.
And if he is slashing programs they will of course not include those that his own companies benefit from.

In addition to that though, what is necessary is to "fix" the 3 largest expenses which is Social Security, Medicare and the military budget. The solution there isn't to just "cut". It's to fix the problems. Social Security should be run like a pension. In principal it's like just taking everyone's contributions and putting them in an index fund that they can't touch until retirement.

The returns would be much higher and there is nothing not to work. It wouldn't be a drain on the budget, problem solved. Putting money into Treasuries which are issued by the same "organization" owing the retirement benefits is almost criminal.
How does SS work in the US? Is there a guaranteed state pension, irrespective of contribution? Or is it all tied to how much you have put in?

Regardless of that, though, if you treat it like a pension, such that you ring-fence the receipts until the person retires, you have to deal with those currently receiving SS while no longer paying in. This currently costs the US c. USD 1.4 trillion. Some of these people may live 25+ years, some will die tomorrow, so let's say on average 12 years. That means the government would need to pay out c.16-17 trillion - before considering inflation - while not getting in any receipts with which to pay for it (as new receipts will be ring-fenced for the person while they're paying in, as per a pension).
So suddenly the US is going to have to increase their debt by 16-17 trillion or so over the next 25 years or so - front loaded while people gradually die off - while at the same time building up a vast asset for future SS beneficiaries.
As to that asset, if the cost is c.1.4 trillion at present, then if we assume a pot can afford a 4% drawdown and reach zero at end of life, there would eventually be a pot of 35 trillion built up over time. And you want to invest this in a stock market that has a total capitalisation of c.50-60 trillion?

There may be a solution in there, somewhere, that is better than the current system, but it's undoubtedly a bi-partisan issue, and long-term.


As for medicare, how would you "fix" it, exactly?

And re: military budget, if the US wants to decrease, that's not really a problem, but the manner that it is done could be. E.g. a sudden halving to 2% would put global security at risk, and not give other countries time to adquately pick up any slack. But having a President, for example, that lies about how much support US has given to Ukraine compared to Europe doesn't help matters. (US has given c.€85b with a further 15b to be allocated, while Europe has given c.118b with a further 74b to be allocated).
 
The concern there is that his personality will play too big a role in the policies he tries to enact, such as being vindictive, seeking retribution for personal delights etc. Most of that will be internal to the US, sure, but his brash narcissism may lead him to foreign policy that only serves to embolden those we'd rather it didn't. Not to mention worsen climate action.
Yes, it could not work out well and it could work out well. This is going to be the case with anyone or anything. Harris doesn't have any experience with these issues. He has at least been President before. The world didn't end last time either.
Of course Europe will pick up what slack it can in that regard, but it's not just about supplying arms. First Trump is oblivious, deliberately or otherwise, that Europe currently provides more support to Ukraine than the US. And it's right that we should.
Second, if US reduces its support that will embolden Russia. And likely China as well wrt Taiwan.
Thirdly, his "I'll sort it out in a day" rhetoric likely involves him and Putin agreeing a settlement, and trying to force Ukraine to accept it. Which will embolden Russia etc. Bear in mind that the next country after Ukraine would be a NATO member. Maybe Trump wants to pull the US out of NATO. It would also embolden China that the US would not intervene as and when it goes for Taiwan.
Much of this is just how negotiation works. If he isn't firm, others may be emboldened. If he is, it may work out well. People worked with Reagan because they didn't know what he would do. Things worked out well with the collapse of the USSR and the reunification of Germany. Nixon was a "strongman" and China negotiated and opened up with him. Biden just draws out the status quo. He is doing that with Israel. He has done that with other situations with a lot of restrictions on our soldiers (special forces) and it gets a lot of them killed because it's more of a political decision than a military one.
With regard Musk being head of an efficiency drive, he at least has some experience in that... he took a large well-used profitable company, slashed headcount, and now it is a cesspit of right-wing propaganda, losing vast amounts of money, and no longer an enjoyable place for many that they left. Maybe that'll be in store for the US as a whole? ;)
As for his other companies, his idea of efficiency is to work people as hard as he himself works. By all accounts neither SpaceX or Tesla are particularly pleasant places to work, at least not unless you want to work all hours.
And if he is slashing programs they will of course not include those that his own companies benefit from.
Many companies aren't particularly "enjoyable" to work at. Musk works hard, Americans, in general, work hard. Men who are successful at creating such companies are rarely a piece of cake to work with. People work hard at most tech companies and yet we have more than our fair share of tech companies.
How does SS work in the US? Is there a guaranteed state pension, irrespective of contribution? Or is it all tied to how much you have put in?
There isn't a guaranteed state pension. There is a minimum number of years you have to have contributed and how much you will receive has to do with a certain percentage of your 5 highest earning years (or something like that) and it's capped at a certain level as well.

It isn't really meant to be your sole retirement income. You're supposed to save and invest but it's enough for most people to be able to survive on.
Regardless of that, though, if you treat it like a pension, such that you ring-fence the receipts until the person retires, you have to deal with those currently receiving SS while no longer paying in. This currently costs the US c. USD 1.4 trillion. Some of these people may live 25+ years, some will die tomorrow, so let's say on average 12 years. That means the government would need to pay out c.16-17 trillion - before considering inflation - while not getting in any receipts with which to pay for it (as new receipts will be ring-fenced for the person while they're paying in, as per a pension).
So suddenly the US is going to have to increase their debt by 16-17 trillion or so over the next 25 years or so - front loaded while people gradually die off - while at the same time building up a vast asset for future SS beneficiaries.
As to that asset, if the cost is c.1.4 trillion at present, then if we assume a pot can afford a 4% drawdown and reach zero at end of life, there would eventually be a pot of 35 trillion built up over time. And you want to invest this in a stock market that has a total capitalisation of c.50-60 trillion?

There may be a solution in there, somewhere, that is better than the current system, but it's undoubtedly a bi-partisan issue, and long-term.
Yes, like any system that is broken and where you are trying to fix it, you have to gradually enable the new system whether that's just telling current 20 year olds that they will be in the new system and everyone else will be phased out with the government making up the difference so it could cost more for a few years.

There are other changes one could make. The Social Security tax that is taken out of everyone's salary caps out at a certain high income level. You could not cap it out for a few years to effectively tax high earners more. This could make up the difference and it would come from those who could most afford it.

High earners barely even notice their little Social Security check when they retire since it's capped out at a "low" level. So you remove the cap for taxation but not for what they will receive.

They could also move everyone partially over to the new system so that funds are earning more from the beginning and thereby reducing the cost to the government of making this switch. It's always better to fix something than to continue with the flawed system.

Yes, it would increase the size of the stock market cap. So what? :) It's a productive use and the current Treasuries use isn't productive. It's part of the problem.
As for medicare, how would you "fix" it, exactly?
Just expanding Medicare to include everyone is one solution. Or we could basically copy whatever is done in the UK (and the rest of Europe). You cover everyone and you still spend less on that system than we do. if nothing else, just cover everyone immediately for catastrophic costs and let everyone self-insure for the rest. That would be more of an "American" approach IMO. It would bring costs down through transparency. Most wealthier people already essentially self-insure for the smaller stuff because they can afford it and because most people don't need insurance most of the time. That's why it's so profitable for insurance companies. However, I'm not saying that the Trump plan or fix would be self-insuring. That's just a simple approach and it's largely what a more well off person would do anyway.
And re: military budget, if the US wants to decrease, that's not really a problem, but the manner that it is done could be. E.g. a sudden halving to 2% would put global security at risk, and not give other countries time to adequately pick up any slack. But having a President, for example, that lies about how much support US has given to Ukraine compared to Europe doesn't help matters. (US has given c.€85b with a further 15b to be allocated, while Europe has given c.118b with a further 74b to be allocated).
Any reduction of the size of the military wouldn't be sudden. It would be slowly reduced just as used to happen in the pre-Reagan years. It wouldn't necessarily be reduced slowly just to give Europe a heads up. It would be done to give everyone a heads up, including our own companies, military people, local bases, etc.

There's nothing special about any of these changes that I've mentioned. Like any tough problem with large change required, this is how you have to deal with it. Ignoring it, as has been the approach for the last few decades, isn't a solution either.

How is Brexit working out? People made a populist mistake, it didn't help anything and now you have to deal with it.

I've just listed the problems and reasonable, but tough, solutions. I didn't suggest that it was easy and yet these are the only choices. You can't just keep printing money and spending at the same rate. There is a snowballing effect. Our interest payment on the debt each year is now larger than our current military budget and it only gets larger every year.

In a way, a guy like Trump could be the answer to all of our wars. They haven't been productive for quite a while. No one wants them neither at home nor abroad and yet they are easy to get into and hard to get out of. Most people outside of the US complain about our military and our constant fighting...until they want our help. You can't have it both ways and we can't afford it the way it is now.

If Trump just says "no, I won't do it"...that might be a refreshing change. Otherwise we will be fighting China over Taiwan and Iran over Israel and Russia over Ukraine. If that doesn't eliminate human life from Earth then there will be another hotspot after that.
 
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It is worth noting a few things:

- Educational level is the strongest predictor of who will vote for Trump outside of party
- In polls, the less someone knows about current events, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. In October 2024, an Ipsos/Reuters poll showed that the less people knew about immigration, crime, and the economy, the more they tended to vote for Trump.
- Sarah Longwell, a republican analyst, was surprised by the answers to simple questions in her focus groups. “When I ask voters in focus groups if they think Donald Trump is an authoritarian, the #1 response by far is, ‘What is an authoritarian?’”
- When asked by exit pollsters what their biggest issues with Harris were, more than 50% of Trump voters answered with mistruths, including:
--Haitian illegal immigrants are eating pets in Ohio
--Inflation is increasing
--Children are having sex change surgery done in schools
--Illegal immigration is going up
--Fentanyl deaths are going up

There's misinformation and then there's receptivity or willingness to believe misinformation. Addressing the former is huge challenge--you're up against Murdoch media, Sinclair media, etc. and they've got vast resources and almost universal reach. Addressing the latter is a very different sort of challenge, as it is essentially combatting bigotry--believing that Haitians are eating the cats and dogs and that people are getting sex change operations in schools and prisons requires some degree of prejudice and hatred.

It takes some effort to get good information. It's fairly easy to access adequate information, that is, at the very least, free of egregious falsehoods. I regularly open private browser windows and look at things like Yahoo! News and the like to get a sense of what it is (in my opinion) nearly impossible to overlook. Yahoo! News (which is mostly an aggregator, but they've got their own stories, as well) is crap, but it is not printing any of that nonsense about Harris supporting "defund the police" or wack transgender falsehoods or anything like that. But obviously, people are getting that shit somewhere.

The Sinclair media stuff is what I have a hard time getting my head around. Who, under the age of 75, say, watches local tv news? Or listens to AM radio? I know, I know, people do, it's just hard to understand. But, again, these are sources for misinformation, but the matter of receptivity to misinformation that is so blatantly ludicrous is just something else entirely.
 
Yes, it could not work out well and it could work out well. This is going to be the case with anyone or anything. Harris doesn't have any experience with these issues. He has at least been President before. The world didn't end last time either.
Trump had little if any experience being President at all, he spent most of his time golfing, sleeping and eating. HIs staff rarely saw him and when they did, he couldn't care less of anything they said to him. His presidency was a test run for what his minions will do to this country, they will have full reign to change it to their will.

The only spark of hope in all this is that we can rely on the fact that all the criminals and grifters he will put into power are all stupid and lazy and will do nothing as a result. Look at the House during Bidens reign, the GOP had control yet accomplished very little.
 
Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve.

reply in Parody mode:

Well, maybe for the plebeians -- the result is what they wanted. But for the rest, it was demeaning payment for all the hard work that MSM, the entertainment industry, the academic community, progressive-supporting businesses, advocates of weighty bureaucracy, etc put into trying to get Harris elected.

Who knows what a certain ###### writer was thinking when he posted the below on his ##### account November 5th. Perhaps the events are so dizzying that a few white members of the Lord Protectors are lapsing from their usual collective stance of moral superiority over their unwashed, ideologically heathen counterparts. Particularly those of the privileged who still refuse the call to redemption, to make up for their sins of bigotry by joining the Moral Elite and casting off devil allegiances, like MAGA.

IOW, so disoriented that some are (spuriously?) suggesting that there are white supremacists and misogynists among their own. But no need to worry about witch hunts among the Lord Protectors. This is a fleeting anomaly that will soon dissipate itself once the initial shock of the Great Ordeal lessens. Live long and prosper. There is light at the end of the four year nuclear winter.

applicable quote: "The majority of white Americans are addicted to white supremacy. Always have been. They used to be ashamed of it. Then TFG made them proud to be evil. That’s a hard drug for some white people to give up. And on the Left? We’re seeing just how deep the racism and misogyny run on our side, as well.
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Certainly, worldly people like Putin, Kim Jung Un and Victor Orban feel a lot better. Not so much anyone else.

I'm assuming you must be extremely wealthy oligarch as those are the only folks happy today. Most business leaders are very upset considering how well the economy is doing under Biden. They know Trump will tank it in no time.
I think the majority of the world is relieved that we don’t have those spoilt crazy people in power.
 
I think the majority of the world is relieved that we don’t have those spoilt crazy people in power.
The majority of people who aren't crazy are freaking out that Trump will now be just another dictator hell bent on their destruction. Remember in the late 1930's, it was Hitlers supporters who were put up against the wall like everyone else. Trump supporters have just shot themselves in the foot and Trump will finish the job.
 
Haven't been around here for a very long time. Not much need.

Browsing through the thread; losers.

You lost. Lost. Lost.

Thump your chests all you want. Makes you feel really good, right?

You're losers.

Feel the burn.

Go outside and sniff the air. There's a whole world out here that's telling you are not particularly significant in most schemes of things.

Or just stay inside.
 
Haven't been around here for a very long time. Not much need.

Browsing through the thread; losers.

You lost. Lost. Lost.

Thump your chests all you want. Makes you feel really good, right?

You're losers.

Feel the burn.

Go outside and sniff the air. There's a whole world out here that's telling you are not particularly significant in most schemes of things.

Or just stay inside.
I'd go outside with the winners if I could figure out how to get out of this cage.
 
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