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The Piney Woods Incident, Cash-Landrum
(Article from UFOCASEBOOK,this was originally from NICAP)
An extremely haunting UFO sighting which has well stood the test of time was an event which took place in the Piney Woods of Texas, near the town of Huffman. On the chilly night of December 29.1980, two women and one child encountered a craft of unknown origin, and all three suffered not only emotional trauma, but severe physical injury as well. A drive through the Piney Woods of Texas at night is a lonely, somewhat spooky one to begin with, but on this particular night, a routine drive turned into a life changing event for these three people.
Fifty-one year old Betty Cash was driving through the woods traveling from New Caney to Dayton on Farm to Market road 1485. Riding with her was her friend, Vickie Landrum, fifty-seven years old, and Vickie's seven year old grandson, Colby. They were looking for an open Bingo game, but found all of them closed down for the Holiday season. They stopped for a meal at a restaurant, and then continued their journey. Soon, the three began to see a light in the distance, and in a few short minutes this light became a glowing object, slowly crossing the tops of the tall pine trees. The area that they were in was densely occupied by pine and oak trees, surrounded by occasional swamps and small lakes. As they proceeded along their way, their initial thought was that the object was an airplane or helicopter from one of the airfields not too distant from their location. Suddenly, ahead of them loomed an immense diamond-shaped craft, which was hovering over the road ahead of them! At regular, fast intervals, the object would shoot down a stream of reddish-orange flames. Vickie would later describe it as being "like a diamond of fire". Being a devout Christian, she had had never believed in UFOs or extraterrestrials, and at this moment, she believed that she was witnessing the end of the world.
They could also hear a constant beeping sound as the strange craft spit out its fiery downspout. Frightened, Betty came to a quick stop to keep from running under the craft. The car's heater had been running to kill the frosty air of the night, but now the inside of her vehicle was so hot she had to turn off her heater, and leave the car, along with Vickie and Colby. Now outside of the vehicle, they could hear a steady roaring sound coming from the frightening sight ahead of them. Young Colby became so afraid that his grandmother took him back into the car to comfort him. Betty stayed outside. In some strange way, she was fascinated with the almost unbelievable vision before her. As she stood watching the craft, suddenly the sky was full of helicopters. Betty said, "They seemed to rush in from all directions...it seemed like they were trying to encircle the thing." She assumed that they were from Tomball Airfield, northwest of Houston, or Ellington Air Force Base, south of Houston. The eerie object now began to lift into the air, and proceed to the southwest, with helicopters in pursuit.
As Betty returned to the car, the door handle was so hot she could hardly open the front door. Her hand was burned getting inside. She immediately turned on her air conditioner to cool off the inside of the vehicle. After the object had left the area, they restarted their vehicle, hoping to get home and never see the craft again. But after several miles of dark highway, they left the Farm to Market road in favor of the freeway. Ahead in the distance, they could again see the object with its bright lights illuminating the helicopters which were still trying to encircle it.
At this vantage point, the two ladies could actually count the number of copters in the air, 23. Some of them they identified as the double rotor CH-47 Chinook; the others were the faster, single engine rotor type, which they thought were Bell-Huey.
After a fast trip home, all three of the witnesses became extremely sick within the next few hours. Betty's head and neck were blistered, and soon her eyes were swollen shut. She was also terribly nauseated. By the next morning, she was almost in a coma. Vickie and Colby suffered very similar symptoms, yet not as severe as Betty's.
After a couple of miserable days being cared for at Vickie's home, Betty checked into a hospital where she was treated as a burn victim, remaining for 15 days. Her hair began to fall out, and her eyes swelled so badly, she could not see for about a week. Colby had problems with his eyes, and Vickie was losing her hair also. In addition, her scalp was numb and painful. All three of the victims were treated for radiation poisoning, and their condition was listed by doctors as life-threatening. Before long, skin sores developed, weight loss began, and skin cancer was diagnosed.
As to the origin of the helicopters, local air bases were questioned, but would not admit to sending any helicopters out that night. The only public statement made by military officials came from Fort Hood press officer Major Tony Geishauser. In an interview with the Corpus Christi Caller newspaper, he stated that no Fort Hood aircraft were in the Houston area that night.
"I don't know any other place around here that would have that number of helicopters," he said. "I don't know what it could be..... unless there's a super secret thing going on and I wouldn't necessarily know about it."
The black top road was badly damaged by the emissions from the craft that night, but it was very quickly repaired. Investigators were at a loss to explain the events of that night, except to say that Betty, Vickie, and Colby had encountered a craft of undetermined origin, or possibly an experimental government craft. The three unwilling participants in this event sued the U.S. Government for medical damages, but during a congressional hearing, the Department of the Army Inspector General denied any military involvement in the case, and disallowed any compensation for the three unwilling participants in the Piney Woods affair.
There would be several other witnesses to the strange craft / and or helicopters of that night. Among them were:
An off duty Dayton, Texas policeman and his wife who were driving home from Cleveland the same night and saw a large number of CH-47s.
A Crosby, Texas man who was directly under the flight path, reported seeing a large number of heavy military helicopters flying overhead.
A Dayton, Texas, oilfield worker Jerry McDonald saw a large UFO fly directly overhead while he was in his back garden. He thought it might be a blimp at first, but soon knew it was something more sinister. "It was kind of diamond shaped and had two twin torches that were shooting brilliant blue flames out the back", he said. He saw that it had two bright lights on it and a red light in the center.
In a freaky circumstance of luck, corroboration of the unknown object of that night would come in 1981. In April, a CH-47 flew into Dayton for the purpose of a public showing. This allowed local residents to view the machine, both inside and out. Colby spotted the helicopter as it was flying into town, and became very upset. Vickie took him to the landing site, hopefully to allay his fears. As they reached the Chinook, a long line of locals had already formed, waiting to see the giant machine. When their turn finally came, Vickie and Colby entered the helicopter.
Accompanied by another visitor in addition to Colby, Vickie began to recount her experience in the Piney Woods. Vickie and the other unnamed witness both claimed that the pilot said he had been in the air the night of the traumatic sighting. He was sent to check on a UFO that was in trouble near Huffman! Vickie began to discuss her injuries due to the burns and radiation poisoning. Upon hearing her confession, the pilot quickly clammed up, and moved them out of the craft. The pilot was later found by the UFO group VISIT. He would only admit that he knew of the Cash/Landrum case, but refused to admit that he had been in the area the night of the sighting.
In 1981 I represented three People in a lawsuit against the United States Government for injuries that resulted from their contact with an unusual aerial object. Betty Cash, Vicky Landrum and Colby Landrum are the only three People to ever sue our government for injuries from a UFO. On the eighteenth anniversary of her encounter, Betty Cash died.
Betty Cash was a warrior and heroine. She fought the US government and, even in defeat, showed a spirit and tenacity that will now be her epitaph. CAUS and I pay tribute to a very brave lady...and a victim of this government's callousness to the rights of the individual. The following is the announcement of her death:
From Peter Gersten, Attorney, 1-3-99
MUTUAL UFO NETWORK 103 OLDTOWN RD. SEGUIN, TX 78155
December 30, 1998
Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum were interviewed in 1981 at Bergstrom Air Force Base.I have obtained this taped session from Dreamland Interactive Multimedia.
I have taken Taped Session's Text from UFOCASEBOOK to present to you.Coming in Next Post...
bye!
(Article from UFOCASEBOOK,this was originally from NICAP)
An extremely haunting UFO sighting which has well stood the test of time was an event which took place in the Piney Woods of Texas, near the town of Huffman. On the chilly night of December 29.1980, two women and one child encountered a craft of unknown origin, and all three suffered not only emotional trauma, but severe physical injury as well. A drive through the Piney Woods of Texas at night is a lonely, somewhat spooky one to begin with, but on this particular night, a routine drive turned into a life changing event for these three people.
Fifty-one year old Betty Cash was driving through the woods traveling from New Caney to Dayton on Farm to Market road 1485. Riding with her was her friend, Vickie Landrum, fifty-seven years old, and Vickie's seven year old grandson, Colby. They were looking for an open Bingo game, but found all of them closed down for the Holiday season. They stopped for a meal at a restaurant, and then continued their journey. Soon, the three began to see a light in the distance, and in a few short minutes this light became a glowing object, slowly crossing the tops of the tall pine trees. The area that they were in was densely occupied by pine and oak trees, surrounded by occasional swamps and small lakes. As they proceeded along their way, their initial thought was that the object was an airplane or helicopter from one of the airfields not too distant from their location. Suddenly, ahead of them loomed an immense diamond-shaped craft, which was hovering over the road ahead of them! At regular, fast intervals, the object would shoot down a stream of reddish-orange flames. Vickie would later describe it as being "like a diamond of fire". Being a devout Christian, she had had never believed in UFOs or extraterrestrials, and at this moment, she believed that she was witnessing the end of the world.
They could also hear a constant beeping sound as the strange craft spit out its fiery downspout. Frightened, Betty came to a quick stop to keep from running under the craft. The car's heater had been running to kill the frosty air of the night, but now the inside of her vehicle was so hot she had to turn off her heater, and leave the car, along with Vickie and Colby. Now outside of the vehicle, they could hear a steady roaring sound coming from the frightening sight ahead of them. Young Colby became so afraid that his grandmother took him back into the car to comfort him. Betty stayed outside. In some strange way, she was fascinated with the almost unbelievable vision before her. As she stood watching the craft, suddenly the sky was full of helicopters. Betty said, "They seemed to rush in from all directions...it seemed like they were trying to encircle the thing." She assumed that they were from Tomball Airfield, northwest of Houston, or Ellington Air Force Base, south of Houston. The eerie object now began to lift into the air, and proceed to the southwest, with helicopters in pursuit.
As Betty returned to the car, the door handle was so hot she could hardly open the front door. Her hand was burned getting inside. She immediately turned on her air conditioner to cool off the inside of the vehicle. After the object had left the area, they restarted their vehicle, hoping to get home and never see the craft again. But after several miles of dark highway, they left the Farm to Market road in favor of the freeway. Ahead in the distance, they could again see the object with its bright lights illuminating the helicopters which were still trying to encircle it.
At this vantage point, the two ladies could actually count the number of copters in the air, 23. Some of them they identified as the double rotor CH-47 Chinook; the others were the faster, single engine rotor type, which they thought were Bell-Huey.
After a fast trip home, all three of the witnesses became extremely sick within the next few hours. Betty's head and neck were blistered, and soon her eyes were swollen shut. She was also terribly nauseated. By the next morning, she was almost in a coma. Vickie and Colby suffered very similar symptoms, yet not as severe as Betty's.
After a couple of miserable days being cared for at Vickie's home, Betty checked into a hospital where she was treated as a burn victim, remaining for 15 days. Her hair began to fall out, and her eyes swelled so badly, she could not see for about a week. Colby had problems with his eyes, and Vickie was losing her hair also. In addition, her scalp was numb and painful. All three of the victims were treated for radiation poisoning, and their condition was listed by doctors as life-threatening. Before long, skin sores developed, weight loss began, and skin cancer was diagnosed.
As to the origin of the helicopters, local air bases were questioned, but would not admit to sending any helicopters out that night. The only public statement made by military officials came from Fort Hood press officer Major Tony Geishauser. In an interview with the Corpus Christi Caller newspaper, he stated that no Fort Hood aircraft were in the Houston area that night.
"I don't know any other place around here that would have that number of helicopters," he said. "I don't know what it could be..... unless there's a super secret thing going on and I wouldn't necessarily know about it."
The black top road was badly damaged by the emissions from the craft that night, but it was very quickly repaired. Investigators were at a loss to explain the events of that night, except to say that Betty, Vickie, and Colby had encountered a craft of undetermined origin, or possibly an experimental government craft. The three unwilling participants in this event sued the U.S. Government for medical damages, but during a congressional hearing, the Department of the Army Inspector General denied any military involvement in the case, and disallowed any compensation for the three unwilling participants in the Piney Woods affair.
There would be several other witnesses to the strange craft / and or helicopters of that night. Among them were:
An off duty Dayton, Texas policeman and his wife who were driving home from Cleveland the same night and saw a large number of CH-47s.
A Crosby, Texas man who was directly under the flight path, reported seeing a large number of heavy military helicopters flying overhead.
A Dayton, Texas, oilfield worker Jerry McDonald saw a large UFO fly directly overhead while he was in his back garden. He thought it might be a blimp at first, but soon knew it was something more sinister. "It was kind of diamond shaped and had two twin torches that were shooting brilliant blue flames out the back", he said. He saw that it had two bright lights on it and a red light in the center.
In a freaky circumstance of luck, corroboration of the unknown object of that night would come in 1981. In April, a CH-47 flew into Dayton for the purpose of a public showing. This allowed local residents to view the machine, both inside and out. Colby spotted the helicopter as it was flying into town, and became very upset. Vickie took him to the landing site, hopefully to allay his fears. As they reached the Chinook, a long line of locals had already formed, waiting to see the giant machine. When their turn finally came, Vickie and Colby entered the helicopter.
Accompanied by another visitor in addition to Colby, Vickie began to recount her experience in the Piney Woods. Vickie and the other unnamed witness both claimed that the pilot said he had been in the air the night of the traumatic sighting. He was sent to check on a UFO that was in trouble near Huffman! Vickie began to discuss her injuries due to the burns and radiation poisoning. Upon hearing her confession, the pilot quickly clammed up, and moved them out of the craft. The pilot was later found by the UFO group VISIT. He would only admit that he knew of the Cash/Landrum case, but refused to admit that he had been in the area the night of the sighting.
In 1981 I represented three People in a lawsuit against the United States Government for injuries that resulted from their contact with an unusual aerial object. Betty Cash, Vicky Landrum and Colby Landrum are the only three People to ever sue our government for injuries from a UFO. On the eighteenth anniversary of her encounter, Betty Cash died.
Betty Cash was a warrior and heroine. She fought the US government and, even in defeat, showed a spirit and tenacity that will now be her epitaph. CAUS and I pay tribute to a very brave lady...and a victim of this government's callousness to the rights of the individual. The following is the announcement of her death:
From Peter Gersten, Attorney, 1-3-99
MUTUAL UFO NETWORK 103 OLDTOWN RD. SEGUIN, TX 78155
December 30, 1998
Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum were interviewed in 1981 at Bergstrom Air Force Base.I have obtained this taped session from Dreamland Interactive Multimedia.
I have taken Taped Session's Text from UFOCASEBOOK to present to you.Coming in Next Post...
bye!
here's the transcript from UFOCASEBOOK...Its accurate as far as i know.
Part-2 Coming Up.
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TRANSCRIPT OF BERGSTROM AFB, INTERVIEW OF BETTY CASH, VICKIE & COLBY LANDRUM,
August 1981, Part 1 of 2,
TRANSCRIPT of taped interview held at Bergstom Air Force Base Law Library Building 2102, 17 August 1981, between Betty Cash, Vicki Landrum, Colby Landrum and representatives of the United States Air Force in the persons of Captain John Camp, Acting Staff Judge Advocate, Captain Terry Davis, Claims Officer, and Miss Pat Wolf, Assistant Claims Officer.
Abbreviations
BC.......... Betty Cash
CTD........ Terry Davis, Capt. USAF
CJC.......John Camp, Capt. USAF
PW........Pat Wolf
CL.........Colby Landrum
VL.........Vicki Landrum
CJC: Our Claims Officer for the Air Force base is to be allowed to just take our little meeting down here on a tape recorder... do y'all have any objection to that?
BC: I have none.
CJC: OK. Now I'll ask
you some rather ridiculous questions, just remember that its so that maybe a year from now if we ever had to listen to this tape again, we would know who all was here and what was going on, what's it about, OK?
BC: Right.
CJC: Let the record reflect that we're having a meeting in the Law Library at Building 2102, 17 August 1981 at 1040 hours and present is Captain John Camp, the Acting Staff Judge Advocate, Captain Terry Davis, the Claims Officer, Miss Pat Wolf, Assistant Claims Officer, and Ma'am, I'll ask you to identify yourselves as well.
BC: Betty Cash.
CJC: And where is your address, where do you live?
BC: Route 1 Box 127B, Dayton Texas.
CJC: OK, and you're accompanied by your...?
BC: Vicki Landrum.
CJC: Vicki Landrum. Is she a relative of yours?
BC: No.
VL: I was in the incident...
CJC: OK.
VL:... (continuing) and so was Colby Lee.
CJC: OK, why don't you go ahead and give me your full name and your address as well.
VL: My name is Vicki Landrum and I live at 506 West Clayton, Dayton Texas.
CJC: OK... And ah... Colby...
VL: He can tell his own.
CJC: OK, Colby, who is your parents and where do you live?
CL: I live at 506 West Clayton too.
CJC: OK, And how old are you?
CL:Seven.
CJC: You're seven years old?
CL: I'm going to be eight in January.
CJC: Eight in January, OK.
CJC: How do you spell your last name?
CL: L-A-N-D-R-U-M.
CJC: OK, Now... I believe according to your earlier conversation that, ah, you had experienced a UFO sighting and supposedly had received either some injury or certain contact from that. Ah, Ms. Cash would you start off first and tell me exactly the date and what happened and where you were at and so forth?
BC: Yes. We... it was on Farm Market Road 1485 between New Caney and Huffman approximately between nine and nine-thirty at night on December the twenty-ninth, 1980.
CJC: say ah, spell those nearby towns?
BC: N-E-W C-A-N-E-Y and H-U-F-F-M-A-N.
CJCK. Now in front of you is a Texas map, can you locate this ah, somewhere in the proximity of ah, where this occurrence happened?
BC:If my glasses will work well enough. I've had three pair since this happened to me and I still can't see that well.
CJC
(pause... BC and VL obviously looking over map, discussing quietly, general tone obvious, not clear enough to transcribe)
... break in recording...
CJC: We had a brief break in the record there just to afford Ms. Cash an opportunity to try to locate the location of the sighting on a Texas map, but because of the lack of detail of the map, she was unable to find it. Is this area northeast of Houston? Is that a fair statement to say? OK, Miss Wolf is... can you indicate some of the other towns close to the area?
BC & VL talking together over map)
North west, it's ah... North Crosby, Humboldt...
BC or VL: Yeah, ah, it's due north of Humboldt, New Caney is due north of Humboldt, and New Caney and Huffman ah, Huffman is then east.
CJC: OK, what... does that... that map reflect the county that they were located in? BC:
Liberty. ... Liberty County.
BC/VL: (talking at same time): No, We we were in Montgomery county...
CJC: OK, Montgomery County.
BC/VL: ...but we live in Liberty County.
CJC: OK.
BC/VL: No, we live in Dayton County.
(pause, ... chuckle from VL or BC)
CJC: OK, were you returning from Houston or... what was your reason for being down in that area? Could you... would you mind telling us?
BC: Well we hadn't thought about it being a Monday night because we'd had so many holidays, and we had gone to Cleveland that night to play Bingo. We got to Cleveland there was no bingo game. We couldn't... we figured out, well it was through the holidays they had canceled it. So we thought well, we'd go on to New Caney, 'cause they had Bingo over there also. We got to New Caney and there was still no bingo, not realizing that it was on a Monday night instead of a Tuesday, and we stopped at the truck stop restaurant there on ... 59 and 1485 (unintelligible)
CJC: About what time was that?
BC: Must have been about eight, eight-thirty.
CJC: P.M., right?
BC: Right... and after we got through eating, we got in the car and started home, and we drove approximately... I'd say maybe twelve miles, when we spotted this object, and we kept watching it, we couldn't figure out what it was, not ever dreaming that we were going to run... dead into it. But all of a sudden, when we got out on this country road, it just set down, almost level with the treetops. Well, it had lit up the entire sky. Well it was seen as far as fifty miles away from where we were. But, on that country road, the lights were so bright, and the heat was so intense, I got out of the car. I don't know what my purpose was unless it was just normal instinct to think well, maybe I'd be safer outside than I would be inside. But tell you the truth, we thought the end of the world was coming. I mean we'd I'd never in my life gone through such a situation. But I knew that there was no way we could go under it the way the fire was shooting out the bottom of it. CJC: Now, who all was in the car at this time?
BC: Vicki, Colby and myself.
CJC: OK. Those are the three people that are here today?
BC: Right.
CJC: What type of car were you driving?
BC: A 1980 Cutlass Oldsmobile.
CJC: Was it a two or four door?
BC:Two door.
CJC: OK. Now ah... could you please just draw... a picture of whatever it was that you saw if it had a discernible shape, and just sign it and date it for me if you would. And again, I realize you're not an artist so don't worry about that, just do your best to try to draw a picture of it.
BC: (laughing) Vicki says I'm the world's worst.
(Pause, ... Betty apparently drawing UFO.
CJC: OK.
BC: Its supposed to be a diamond shape, but its not very good.
CJC: OK, and go ahead and just sign your name and date it at the bottom.
(Pause, ... Betty apparently signing drawing.)
CJC: Now show it to Ms. Landrum, and Ms. Landrum, do you agree that that was approximately the shape of what it was that you saw?
VL:Yes sir, but the fire was coming right down to here... (unintelligible)
CJC:How big would you say that this object was, can you describe it in a term that you are familiar with?
BC: Well, the only thing that I can believe that I can establish, maybe it was as large, if not larger than a water tower.
CJC: OK, in other words, it was that tall?
BC: Yes... definitely.
CJC: CTD: Did you say this was over a tree?
BC: It was over the road, it was... they have real huge tall pine trees in that area and it was hanging down over the pine trees.
CJC: :So it burned the trees up.
BC: Well, (sighs) they were very brown, I'll put it to you like that.
CJC: OK.
BC: There's pictures of it.
CJC: Ms. Landrum, if you would, go ahead and... if you agree with the description of that object would you please sign and date it too? Um... now I want you to tell me once you stepped outside the car, what you did and what happened.
BC:I walked toward the front of the car, and the light was so bright, and so... the heat was so intense, I didn't know whether to run, to get back in the car, or what, and I stood there for few minutes. Not too long because it was so hot and the light was so bright. And then I stared to yet back in the car, and when I did I had to use the bottom of my leather jacket. I touched the door handle, and the door handle was so hot I couldn't stand it with my bare hand, so I got the pocket of my leather jacket to open the car door and get back in. And at this time it was... fire would shoot out of it and then it would let up, when it would let up... it made... I don't know what kind of sound to tell you it was making, it... similar to air brakes... or?... a whooshing sound.
VL: (breaking in) We're going to a radio station to detect the sounds today.
CJC: Sorry, Ms. Landrum, what did you say?
VL: We're going to a radio station to detect the sounds, when we get back to Houston.
CJC: OK. Now if you would, what else... what other information that you... that you can give us.
BC: Well, I had not killed the motor on the car, I had put it park. The radio was playing on low, but the car completely went dead. I mean, it was like somebody had turned a switch off on it. And when the thing began to lift up, well we were all horrified... well in fact Vicki's the one, I guess maybe I would have tried to have gone on under it, that's how scared I was. But she screamed for me to stop, and right where she put her hands, her fingerprints are still on my dash, it melted my dash in the car with her fingerprints imbedded. So we... I finally got the car started and it was so hot I had to turn on the air conditioning in order for us to get cool. And by that time we were all burning up. It was just... well it's just something really you've got to experience to really describe.
BC: Well, they measured and I think it was what... about 60 to 80 feet and we had stopped about 130 to 133 feet from it... back... from the object.
CJC: So it was about... you were 130 feet away from it... and it was how many feet high?
BC: 60 to 80 feet... above.
CJC: OK, and ah... how long did this sighting last, how long were you exposed to it?
BC: Well, I'd say about 15 to 16, 17 minutes, it seemed like hours to me, but it couldn't have been that long because when I got home it was ten minutes till ten, which is approximately a twenty minute drive from where this happened.
CJC: Did you report it to any authorities or anything at that time?
BC: Sure did.
CJC: Who did you report it to?
BC: Well, (sighs)... we kept calling Washington, in fact I still have the phone number. And they said that they would have someone come out and check. Well they got in touch with Bill English with A-R-P-O, and he contacted us.
CJC: What is the A-R-P-O?
VL: It's the A-P-R-O, it's uh... uh... research of UFOs uh.. that's uh not, I mean they don't have no means of support, other than they do it on their own, you know, it's just like an organization which... uh... cause these are people who do care about people that get hurt.
CJC: Let me ask you did you report it to any law enforcement authorities.
BC: Yeah, sure.
CJC: Who did you report it to?
BC: I didn't report it to any of 'em, I was too sick, by the time I got home, I had blisters all over my head, my face, my back, my neck, I was burning... from the inside out. Vicki is the one that called everybody and tried to get help for me. Because she couldn't get a doctor to see me at the time, and a policeman in Dayton is the one that gave her the number to call, wasn't it Vicki?
VL: Uh huh... and he had to hunt it up and it took him about two days to find it.
VL: Uh Huh... (unintelligible)... Dayton about two days running...
CJC: Ms. Landrum, we'll have... you'll have a full chance to add to or expand upon it, so you'll have an opportunity to speak in a minute... um... did... you mentioned, I think, to Miss Wolf the other day, last Friday when you called, that you had contacted a Congressman and he had referred you here, would you basically tell us how that came about?
BC: Ah, Yes. Alan Hendry, who I don't know, never heard of, from Atlanta, Georgia contacted me and said he wanted to help any way he could and he's the one who asked me to write to Charles Wilson, to Lloyd Benson and to John... uh... Tower, and he said he felt sure that that way I could get some help. Charles Wilson referred me to a Mr. Glass in Van Nuys California, who is a UFO researcher or something, but... Lloyd Benson wrote a real nice letter back and asked me to come here and talk with y'all, and he felt sure that you-all'd try to help in any way you could.
CJC: OK, do you have a copy of this letter today?
BC: No, I don't.
CJC: Ok, do... did you write Senator Tower?
BC: Yes, I did.
CJC: And what response, if any, did you get from him?
BC: Not any yet.
CJC: How long ago was it that you wrote?
BC: Approximately three weeks ago.
CJC: OK. And Senator Benson recommended that you come here and talk to the Staff Judge Advocate or talk to who?
CJC: OK, would you be so kind as to send us a copy... Miss Wolf, would you write down our address here... would you send us a cop of that letter?
BC:Yes, I'll be glad to.
BC: (breaking in) Because of the helicopters.
CJC: OK, would you tell us about the helicopters now?
BC: Yes, there was helicopters completely around the object.
CJC: And its the type of helicopters that I've never been used to seeing.
BC: OK.
CJC: OK.
BC: They were the ones that had two deals, two rotors on them, and they were quite a few. We drove on up the road and pulled over and stopped, and I counted twenty three.
CJC: OK, did these helicopters have any type of markings?
BC: Yes, they sure did.
CJC: And what type...
BC: They had "United States Air Force".
CJC: OK, and you say there were about 23 of them?
BC:Yes, that I counted. Vicki says she counted 26. Who knows? We were all so sick and burning and hot and scared till... that I don't say that we didn't vary.
CJC: Did your U... Did the UFO you saw have any markings on it that you could see?
BC: Not that I could see, the light was so bright.
CJC: Now uh... did the helicopters stay with this UFO or...?
BC:Yes, ah... in fact, would you believe the first thing that entered my mind was about the pilots that were in the helicopters, because of the heat that we were feeling there. I was scared for them, to tell you the truth.
CJC: Approximately how far away were the helicopters from this object?
BC: (lowered voice) Not very far.
CJC: Would you give me a distance in feet, or in football lengths, football field lengths?
BC:I don't think they'd be... that they were that far, maybe so, I can't, I won't say. Because unless I can be sure I'm not going to say.
CJC: Uh.. when you're using this description of a water tower, you know, it was that far above the ground or it was, you know, As big as a water tower, do you have a water tower in mind that you are referring to? or that you're using as a standard? is there one in Clayton Texas, that you're... ?
BC: You mean Dayton?
CJC: Dayton Texas No... I... is there a water tower there
BC: There's one there.
VL: There's two of them
CJC: Well I'm trying to... there's any different... there's a number of different sizes of water towers, I'm just trying to get an idea of how big the UFO was, and you say its about the size of a water tower, I'm just trying to say is it as big as a water tower that you've seen, you could tell me where... ?
BC:Well, yeah, I've seen them all over the country. You know, standing high, but I mean there's no certain water tower that I'm speaking of. But I've just seen them going into cities and things. They have big white water towers usually.
CJC: OK. Uh... What exactly did you see on the side of the helicopters? what exactly did it say?
BC: Uh... "United States Air Force"
CTD: Written out (clears throat) completely long?
BC: No.
CTD: OK, what..
BC: It was round
CTD: No, I mean you saw the words "United States Air Force" all the words were spelled out
BC: No.
CTD: Ok, that's what I'm asking, exactly what did you see? CJC: Why don't you... right here on this piece of paper where you put your name and all... why don't you write down the words exactly as you saw them on the sides of the helicopters.
CL: (unintelligible)
VL: -... that landed in Dayton? Shhhh. (Pause apparently writing... CJC: OK. now you've written that out with a... was it printed?... or written?... I wanted you give me exactly as you saw it.
BC: No, it was printed out.
CJC: Printed out, OK. Alright, ah.
BC: (breaking in) Do you want me to put here "printed out?"
CJC: No, that's OK. Why don't you just put your initials by that. (pause) OK. ... Now um... these were the type that had twin rotors on top?
BC: Right.
CJC: Now, ah... did you remain there until the UFO left?
BC: Yes... very definitely.
CJC: Alright, and did these helicopters follow after it? BC:Yes, they sure did. In fact, ah... they drifted more to the wes..., east, west, or west... over toward Crosby and Intercontinental Airport was the way they were... it was headed and the helicopters were on both sides of it and looked like they were trying their best to get around the top of it. It was unreal. In fact, even driving down 1960, when we stopped at the stop sign to turn onto 1960... we drove to the First National Bank in Dayton which, at the time, was under construction, and we could still see helicopters coming. Now whether they were going to help the other crews or what, I didn't take time to find out.
CJC: OK, now what type of effects or problems have you had as a result of what you saw?
BC: You want to see some pictures?
CJC: Well if you have 'em, we'd like to see 'em. If you would... remember, some of these are documents we'll not be able to keep, we would, you know, request that you would keep them, but if you would... if there's any of them we could copy for example with a Xerox copier machine...
BC: There's the first day after it happened.
CJC: I'm looking at a photograph that indicates that Ms. Cash had some significant hair loss along the side of her... cranium above her right ear and extended back over the crown of her head ... OK.
BC:This is a picture of the place where it happened.
CJC: OK, now how long after the incident did you take these photographs? I know that... the pictures of yourself... the pictures were taken the following day?
BC: (Talking over CJC) I didn't take them... I did not take them.
No, they were made later, but there were some made and those were made off them.... I had some other pictures... but I must have left them in my other purse. Plus I was completely blistered, in fact I have a scar over my eye where one of the blisters... every time they would come up, they would break open and just... run like water... just sticky water, there was no pus or anything, you know. But they... in fact, I stayed in the hospital for a month, maybe a little bit longer... at Parkway Hospital in Houston.
CJC: OK, now is there ah... anything else that you'd like to tell us regarding it?
BC: Yes. I had... I still have diarrhea, I still have upset stomach, I still feel weak, I'm tired, I don't have any energy like I used to have, I have severe headaches... and I have... I'll bet I could count on my hand how many headaches I'd ever had in my lifetime, until this happened. But... it's unreal how my head hurts. My right ear is bothering me right now. Its... the beeping sound... the shrill beeping sound the object was making... it was just like it was... was deafening. That's how shrill it was.
CJC: Was it like that of a aircraft, you know like around a jet airliner? Have you ever flown on a commercial airliner?
BC: Oh yes... sure I have.
CJC: Was it louder or similar to that? Have you ever anything that was similar to it, that you can compare it to?
BC: No, no. That's exactly the reason I'm going and listen to some sounds.
CJC: Beg pardon?
BC: That's the reason I'm going to listen to some sounds.
CJC: OK. Is there anything you can tell us about what you saw or what happened to you?
BC: Well, the only thing I know that I was sick within 30 minutes after the time it happened, and burning up, I was just like I had been blistered all over, like I had been laying on a beach, and it happened within 30 minutes after... this incident. I were feeling fine before, then all this took place. The next morning I was so sick I couldn't... and craving water, I was dying of thirst, or I thought I was. I felt like I was so dehydrated. I couldn't even get out of bed to get myself a glass of water.
CJC: Did you have any special sensation in your mouth?
BC: Nothing but extremely dryness...
CJC: Have you uh... tried... OK
BC: (breaking in) ... my lips were swollen, my ears were swollen about three times... well in fact my entire body... my family didn't recognize me. When they came to the hospital, they told them what room I was in. They said had they not known for sure that it was me, they wouldn't have known me.
CJC: Prior to this occasion on the 29th of December, 1980, had you ever been hospitalized or treated for any uh... ailments or problems?
BC: Sure, I had heart surgery.
CJC: OK, and when and where was that?
BC: In Birmingham Alabama in Nineteen ... Seventy Six
CJC: OK, any other treatments?
BC: Nothing other than just a hysterectomy... when I was 29.
CJC When you was 29. Now have you been you ever been treated for any ah... medical condition that would have required you to have be exposed to any radioactive materials?
BC: No.
CJC: Is there anything else that you can pass on to us?
(pause)
BC: The doctors at Parkway Hospital.
CJC: Do... did you have a physician by name that you could refer to?
BC: I surely do now.
CJC: OK, What's his name?
BC: Dr. Shoney.
CJC: Dr. Shoney? Would you spell that please?
BC: S-H-O-N-E-Y
CJC: OK, does he have practice there in Parkway...or in Parkway... is Parkway in...
BC: Houston.
CJC: ...wherever it is...
BC: It's in Houston.
CJC: OK. Do you have a better address for Dr. Shoney.. you say Parkway... is it Parkway Hospital?
BC: Yes, uh huh.
CJC: (breaking in) I'm not familiar with it, that's the reason I asked...
BC: (breaking in) He has, ah... well he has an office too on Antoine. I'm not sure what the address is because if I go to see him for anything, I just drive right to it. (chuckles)
CJC I see. OK. Now ah... you unders.... you tell me you that currently still have dysentery and some hear loss, is that... hearing loss, is that correct?
BC: I still have headaches, I still have upset stomach, I still can't take a hot bath, if I do, I look like a burn victim all over again.
CJC: OK just a min... Ok, would you..
BC: I can't stand the heat
CJC: OK. You're... so... in other words you're heat sensitive?
What about exposure to sunlight?
Tell me about it
BC: I can't take the sunlight. I mean It's just to the point where I have to stay in the house unless it gets out after it gets cool in the afternoon and the sun goes down, or either I am in the bed sick the next day.
CJC: OK. Now does this include... what part of your bodies are heat sensitive?
BC: My entire body
CJC: Entire body... OK. Alright, uh... let me ask you, how old are you?
BC: Fifty two
CJC: Fifty two. Alright uh.
CTD: May I ask some questions?
CJC: Yeah, why don't you ask some questions.
CTD:The only question... you said something about her hands touching the dashboard of your car...
BC: Right.
CTD: And you said something melted?... the dashboard melted, is that what you said?
BC: Well, I guess that the dashboard melted, her fingerprints right where she pressed on my dash, when I threw on my brakes to save, to keep from going under it... they're imbedded in my dash.
CTD: And is that car here today?
BC: No, it's in Alabama; I flew out
CTD: Oh...
BC: I'm not able to drive that distance. My mother came down here and took me back to Alabama because I wasn't able to take care of myself. CJC: OK now... you gave an address as being in Clayton Texas.
BC: (breaking in) Dayton.
CJC: Dayton Texas
CTD: She lives on Clayton Street
CJC: OK, are you currently living in Alabama now?
BC: Yes.
CJC: What's your address there?
BC: 209 48th. Street in Fairfield, Alabam
CJC:Fairfield. I'm a little bit familiar with Alabama
BC:Are you?
CJC ... close to the area, not Fairfield, but not far from it.
BC: Well right now it's almost like being in Birmingham, used to it was 12 miles out of town, it was a long way out in the country.
CJC:Yeah, Birmingham has grown quite a bit. OK, and ah... is it because of this incident you moved back to Alabama or... ?
BC: Right.
CJC: Now let me ask Ms. Landrum some questions. Ah... is there any observances or anything that you saw during the sighting that differs from what Ms. Cash saw?
VL: Well, no, but there's something that she didn't tell.
CJC: OK, and what's that?.
VL: Okay they... when she was talking about the fire... ah... when it would come... you know, it was hanging up, you know, over the trees... when the fire'd come down, it would lift up, and when the fire'd let up, you know... when the fire'd kinda go away... that's when it would come back down... and finally when big gust of fire came down and the sound was so shrill, that's when it lifted to where it would get up and go away.
CJC
VL: Well um... you can see the scars on my arms, and when I get out in the sun you can see that this come up in a big blister Saturday when it ... happened. And uh... my eye doctor said that there's a possibility that within a year or year and a half that he'll have to operate. there's a possibility when he operates on my eyes, because ah... the film is already has.. had started... started forming... you know, a film, like cataracts, except that my eyes was burned so bad that they teared for about three months. Nothing but tears would pour, you know?, and they was swelled so that I could hardly see. And he said that if they were, wasn't ... was regular cataracts hopefully that he could remove them and I'd yet have some of my sight. But if they're imbedded cataracts, that I won't never see again.
CJC: OK, let me ask you, did you at any time look directly at the UFO... ?
VL: Yes sir, yes sir.
CJC: ...and for how long?
VL: Oh, um... well I'll tell you, he was screaming and crying and everything so, and I thought the world was coming to an end, and I believed that sooner or later we'd gonna have to meet somebody. And I was telling him that ah.. look right in it, you know, I was showing him, I didn't find where the object was, you know when I... it was kinda like a flat... aluminum, I guess, you know, the inside of it looked dark, you know, the object did, and I was telling him to look right inside if he saw a big man it'd be Jesus. And we set there and I kept talking to him to watch for that man to come down inside. And I looked at it from the time she was... got out of the car until she got back in, I got out for just a few minutes and burned my arm on top of the car, and this one has always been a lot worse than this one. You know, I was holding him in and had my arm up on the car, you know, like you kinda hold somebody in the door, and um... but I guess I looked at it... too long. Because I was trying to keep him quiet and show him something that would be more pleasant that what he was seein'.
CJC: OK. Now um... you mentioned the fact that you had sustained some type of burn or. . something under each arms...
VL: (interrupting) Yeah, you see when it goes away, it leaves knots like... and ah... and when I went to the doctor there in Houston... I mean I was sick, I had the diarrhea and everything, but I was taking care of Betty, I was taking care of Colby, I didn't have time to go to the doctor, and I didn't have time to carry him 'cause he was like a little baby for over a month. I mean he had no control over his bowels, or his, you know, nothing, and I was taking care of him, and I wasn't going to leave him. And um... so uh... the doctors down there asked me had I been around any poison oak or poison ivy on my arms. And when it finally... the blisters kinda cleared up and left, places healed up and looks terrible. They yet come up, and uh... now the ones that come up is leaving knots.
CJC: OK, let me just say for this tape recorder say that on your left hand there is a... uh... I think this is the metacarsha... metacarpals upper left hand, portion of her left hand there is a bruise about the size of a quarter, that's uh... kind of a deep purple, and you said that last Saturday that turned... this past...
CJC: OK. And that there are several scars and blisters on the lower portion of her arm and hands. Now ah... let me ask you did...
VL: (breaking in) And my fingernails come off, they're, they're they're back now but they come completely off, my fingernails did. I saved the fingernails for some scientist.
CJC: You say you saved them, have you turned them over to any scientists or anything?
VL: I'm fixing to, I've got them. I got each one of them tagged and named.
CJC: Alright, now let me ask you... did you have any other skin sensitivity problems for the rest of your life?
VL: Well ah... we was completely blistered, and he ah... he's got scars on his face where he had hanging water blisters, on his little cheek and everything, over on that side. Just one, one side of his face because I... the reason I believe its not on this side is because I was hugging that side to me, I think that other side is the one that got it, the one that had the hanging blisters because one side wasn't blistered as bad as the other side.
CJC: Alright, let me ask... just specifically about you though, are other parts of your body heat sensitive or sunlight sensitive?
VL: No, seems like it's my eyes and my arms because my eyes feel just like they've got sand in them, and I can get out in the sun or anything and it feels just like I want to just put my hand up there and just rub them out I guess, if I didn't make myself stop I could just rub them until I didn't have any eyes anymore.
CJC: OK, now did you suffer any hair loss at all?
VL: Yes sir, I lost my hair. But now my hair didn't come out until about, it was about six weeks after the incident when I... about a month, about a month after the incident, my hair started coming out, and it's just come back, I haven't... I mean this is the way it looks since it's come back, I had soft, manageable easy hair to... I mean it was, it was extra fine hair, it was a little like baby hair, and it was, it was kinda, you know wavy, curly I could do anything with it, after it come out and came back, this is what I got... cause I'm ashamed to even go to the grocery store.
CJC: Ah... did you, either of you, experience any... I know you mentioned you experienced dysentery, but did any of you experience nausea?
VL&BC: OH...!
VL: Oh... sick! You ain't.. I was... I'd get up to go to the bathroom, and I'd be.. I'd get so sick that I'd have to lay down on the bathroom floor until I got able to get back to bed.
CJC: OK. Now can you give us any more information regarding the UFO itself?... what you saw, or a better description or can you compare the size of it to anything?
VL: (breaking in) Well, it was about the size of ah... I'd say a BIG water tower... um.. not at the top, you know, but I mean it come kinda down this a way, but it was long, it wasn't no short, it was long.
CJC: How many flames, separate flames did you see from the bottom, 1, 2, 3..?
VL: (breaking in) Well there was so many, there was so many... much light, that honestly I was only seeing one, I mean there wes just... like the flame come down, you know? ... just like, just like a rocket... just like you'd shoot off a rocket or something, you know how the flame will come down?
CJC: Yeah, how many separate flames did you see, did you see more than one flame at a time?
Part-2 Coming Up.
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TRANSCRIPT OF BERGSTROM AFB INTERVIEW OF BETTY CASH, VICKIE & COLBY LANDRUM
August 1981, Part 2 of 2
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August 1981, Part 2 of 2
CJC: No sir.
Have you been in the operation... ah, in the hospital for a operation?
VL: Well ah, about twenty... three years, 22 years ago, I had hysterectomy. Other than that, I have never had nothing really wrong with me till this.
CJC: Now would you please give us your address and your age?, your current address.
VL: My current address is 506 West Clayton, Dayton Texas. The ZIP code is 77535, and I'm 57 years old.
CJC: OK. Um... Terry, do you have any questions?... Oh, one other question: who is the doctor that's been treating you?
VL: Ah... Dr. Chandler in Liberty.
CJC: Liberty Texas?
VL: Um humm... and he's only an eye doctor, but he... I got all faith in him because he has a doctor that work with him that is uh.. is one (unintelligible) one of the best I think, that uh... and he told me that when he couldn't do for my eyes anymore that when he felt he wasn't capable of giving me what I needed that he would turn me over to this doctor and uh... you can't ask for nothing better than that.
CJC: Let me ask you regarding the skin problems, and your hair loss, have you talked to any other physician about that?
VL: No, nothing but Uh Doctor.... (to Betty Cash) what's his name?
BC: Shoney
VL: Dr. Shoney... yeah I talked to Dr. Shoney
CJC: Is this the same doctor that Ms. Cash had been seeing? VL:Yes, but I never did see him as a patient, I was there now with Betty so much and talked to him, but ah, this doctor that saw me was... (to Betty) what was his name?
VL: No, I wasn't looking for it. I was too scared... put it that way, cause I ain't going to say I wasn't scared, cause (chuckles) I was scared, I guess I'm a coward, but I was scared.
CJC: : (to Betty Cash) OK, can you recall if you saw more than one flame at a time?
BC: I wasn't looking at the flames, I was looking for a way out.
CJC: I understand. Ah... the reason I'm asking... did it have one engine or several engines or... from what you could tell?
BC: I wish they would have asked me that when I was under hypnotism.
CJC: OK. Prior to this incident, Ms. Landrum, have you been treated for any illness or problems?
CJC: Did he tell you anything?
VL: Uh, huh, Easley. Oh, uh... Easley, Dr. Easley radiologist at the Medical Center in Houston.
VL: No sir, nobody's never told me nothing. Except my family doctor told me that he couldn't doctor me because he didn't know nothing about it and he didn't... that he would do me more harm than good and he wasn't about to.
CJC: : OK, now have you had to pay any doctor bills as a result of this.
VL: Yes sir!
CJC: Can you give us some idea of how much you've had in the way of doctor bills... Ms. Landrum?
VL: Let's see...(pause) I'd say approximately about six or seven hundred dollars on my eyes and Colby's eyes.
CJC: OK, alright... and how about you Ms. Cash? Can you give us any... ?
BC: I would imagine that mine has been around ten thousand dollars, or better.
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CJC: OK, alright... and how about you Ms. Cash? Can you give us any... ?
BC: I would imagine that mine has been around ten thousand dollars, or better.
CJC: OK...
CJC: OK... alright now let me ask you ah... and again would you give me just a basic physical description of yourself, height and weight-wise, would you mind doing that for me Ms. Cash?, just for the record.
BC: Well I'm supposed to be five-five and a half, but I think I shrink with age (laughs)... and I weigh 112 pounds... now, because I have lost some weight.
CJC: What was your weight at the time of the incident?
BC: 118.
CJC: OK, and you Ms. Landrum, would you describe yourself?
VL: Well, I'm five feet exactly and I weigh uh... well I weigh about 138 pounds.
CJC OK, and how much... have you suffered any weight loss?
VL:Um... well, yes sir, cause I weighed a hundred... about 162 pounds, I was too heavy, so its... I guess my weight loss has done me a little good. (chuckles) (unintelligible)-wise.
CJC: OK.
CL: Where's the bathroom at?
CJC:.. the bathroom at?... um... will you take him...
VL: (breaking in) but now the little boy, now he went from a size... I mean... he uh... he was in a 6 slim blue jean and they fit him perfect, and when I went to buy him some clothes the other day, and I got them on him, and I had to go back to a 5 slim blue jean...
CJC: OK...
VL: (breaking in) ... But what's so terrible about it, now this is what the doctor in Houston told me and another... um... even that Dr. Rank from Wisconsin... he told me the same thing, that there's a possibility within the next, he'd be safe to say within the next eight to twelve years that Colby would come down with a form of leukemia, which wouldn't be leukemia, but... and if he was treated for leukemia it could kill him.
CJC:Who was the doctor that was telling you this?
VL&BC: Oh... ah... wasn't it Dr. Shoney and a Dr. Peter Rank said there's a possibility because they don... I mean, nobody knows how much radiation he might have consumed, or what kind it might could been, but it had to be radiation to have burned us like we were burned.
CJC: Let me ask you Ms. Landrum, is there any history of ah... cancer in your family?
VL: No
CJC: OK, have you ever had a relative or blood relative that had had cancer?
VL: No.... no.
CJC: OK, ... Ms. Cash... ?
BC: No.
CJC: Alright now...
VL: (breaking in) I had a son that was a diabetic, my mother was a diabetic, but there's never been a cancer.
CJC: Now help me with... is it Coby?
VL: Uh huh.
CJC: How do you spell...
VL: C-O-L-B-Y
CJC: Colby, C-O-L-B-Y.
VL Right.
CJC Now is... whose son is he?
VL: He's my... um... His father's name is Paul Landrum he's my son, he's my middle son and him and his wife divorced when Colby was seven months old and he couldn't take care of him, and uh... his mother didn't want him... so...
CJC: (breaking in) OK, so Colby's your grandson living with you.
VL: Right, I've got custody of him, he's my responsibility; he's mine... you know?
CJC: OK, do you live with anybody else?
VL: My husband.
CJC: OK, and what's his name?
VL: His name's Art (unintelligible) Wilson Landrum... Senior
CJC: Alright. is there anything else that y'all can... tell us that would... about the incident as far as... has anybody else within the Air Force or within the government contacted you... about this incident?
VL: No. And I wrote Charles Wilson, he wrote me back a write-off letter and I turned it over and wrote him a letter back.
CJC: You say a write-off letter...?
VL: Huh!... Well it was a thing where UFOs had been discontinued since nineteen and seventy three I believe it said, and he gave me a whole list of who I MIGHT be able to contact.... and I turned it back over and I told him exactly how I felt and I...
BC: Well, I said one thing... I laid in that hospital and suffered that thirteen days before I would even level with my doctor.
VL: I told Colby not to tell nobody...
BC:... 'cause I didn't want anybody to think I was crazy 'cause I had never believed in things like this. But it definitely didn't have little green men with pointed ears.
CJC: Did you see anybody?
VL&BC: No we didn't see nobody... no
CJC: Let me talk to Colby a minute. Colby, how old are you?
CL: Seven.
CJC: 'Kay... let's get a little bit closer here so we make sure we get down everything you're saying on this tape, OK?
CJC: Now, why don't you tell me what you saw... that night.
CL: I don't know what it was, but all I know is it was some kind of object.
CJC: OK. What color was it?
CL: Kinda yellowish-red
CJC: Yellowish-red?... and uh... how long did you see it?
CL: Uh... for about... stayed there for about... 15 to 20 minutes.
CJC: OK, now what happened whenever you saw it?... what did you feel like?
CL: (pause)... I just... wondered what it was... sitting there wondering what it was.
CJC: What happened to your body when you looked at it?
CL: I didn't feel nothing until I got up the next morning.
CJC: What happened the next morning?
CL: I just had... bad virus.
CJC: Bad virus? Why don't you tell me what happened.... did you go to the bathroom... what happened when you went to the bathroom?
CL: Runny... it was all runny.
CJC: It was all runny? What about your stomach?
CL: It was just hurting real bad.
CJC: Did you throw up any?
CL: Uh.. don't remember if I did or not.
CJC: What happened to your hair?
CL: Just a little... little bitty place started coming out.
CJC: Did you lose all of your hair or just part of it?
CL: Part of it.
CJC: Ok...
CL: (continuing) ... not even part of it really, just that spot right there.
CJC: Right... The top of your head? .. right here, the crown?
CL: Uh huh...
CJC: (continuing) ... on the very tip-top part of your head? What about your eyes?
CL: They... every time I get in the pool, they start... getting real red.
CJC: The swimming pool? What happens to your skin when you get in the sunlight?
CL: Sunburned.
CJC: Does it burn real fast after you've been out there?, or do you have to be out for awhile?
CL: Have to be out there for about a hour or 30 minutes.
CJC: OK... what happened to your face whenever you... later on after you saw this thing in the sky... what happened to you?
CL: I don't remember,,. it's been so long ago.
CJC: It's been what?, six months ago?... Did you have any problem with a blister on your side of your face?
CL: (pause)... yes... a little bit.
CJC: OK, what happened?
CL: They started popping ... uh... every time I got in the sun they'd pop.
CJC: OK. Are you sick anymore?
CL: Sometimes... this morning... my stomach was starting to hurt this morning... when I was eating... went to Dairy Queen to eat.
CJC: What about whenever you go to the bathroom? Do you still have problems with it being real soft?
CL: Mmmmmmmm.
CJC: OK, alright. Thank you Colby... Um... regarding relative to Colby, have you had any expenses regarding his treatment?
VL: Nothing but his eyes, I've been doctoring him at home for the simple reason that um... see I always worked, and uh... when I got so I couldn't work anymore... on what my husband makes... he has a good job, compared to what, you know... not compared to what some people have, but his take home pay is $243.00 a week, by the time we pay rent, bills and our car note and gas for him to go back and to work, there's very little left for groceries much less for medical bills... so I doctor him at home, or I don't doctor him, unless... if he was to get real real sick because they couldn't find out what was wrong with Betty, and I'm not going to put him through all this... all of that unless they come up with something that they can that they can doctor him with, without doctoring him for everything under the book.
CJC: Let me ask you, your relationship again... was just one of friends? or are y'all related by blood?
BC&VL: Friends...
VL: I was working after work, at a little place she had out on the... and we were moving, in the process of moving to a bigger place, and we were just out riding around, you know like friends do, and we run into this thing, and just like I wrote the uh... congress, and uh... way I feel, that if our government don't know what that was that hurt us... we're in a bad shape... because it had to be manmade.
CJC: Uh huh... why do you say it had to be manmade?
VL: Well, I don't think nobody... don't think there are any little green men out there to make one.
CJC: So you don't believe in life on other planets.
VL:: sure didn't.
CJC: OK... how about you Ms. Cash?
BC: I never have believed in it either.
CJC: OK. So its fair to say then, let me see if you agree with this, that you ah... saw this object in the sky and it was being accompanied by some helicopters which you believe to be from the United States Air Force.... and...
VL: (breaking in) I don't say it's from the Air Force... I didn't see no sign... no name on them or nothing, I was too busy, like said wish the baby, and when we stopped looking at them and everything, he was showing me, you know, the kind, and, but they had the twin rotaries on them, and when we had our um... aircraft day rodeo, there was one just like the one we saw that lit in Dayton with a load of uh... National Guard that was going to march in the parade that evening, and I went up there and talked to the helicopter... I mean I didn't say a word, we was just talking about uh... the shape of a helicopter and everything, it was just astonishing. And I said, do these things ever fly anymore? And he said we were called out the night of the 29th by the Harris county Sheriff's Department...
BC: Montgomery County... Montgomery County.
VL: Montgomery County Sheriff's Department, and when a certain person ah... confronted him with it, he told him that he had heard about the incident but they wasn't called out. But that exactly what he told me, and I've got his autograph because of, you know, a little boy back up there, I got his autograph, and it's right there.
CJC: OK, Do you have that with you?
VL: Did I bring that with me?
CJC: Yeah, I hope you did.
CJC: Why don't you give us everything that you brought with you that's related to this, ah... to what you saw, and if there's any way we can make copies of it then we'll give it a try to.
BC: (rummaging through things) I'm not sure that Don gave me that...
VL: Its in a red envelope... shoot... I didn't ask him for that, he told me that and then I guess he figured he'd said the wrong thing... but uh... that's not it... nope...
CTD: Is that a picture of the type of helicopter?
VL: What?
CTD: ... of the type of helicopter you saw?
VL&BC: No, this is one that they're gonna be bringing out in 1981.
VL: Have you got it?
BC: Huh?
VL: In your purse... it was in there, with those pictures.
BC: Somebody... I hope we didn't go off and leave it..
VL: We didn't bring yours?
BC: .. yeah, I got mine, in the car.
VL: Can I go outside and come back in?
CJC: Sure...
PW: Do you know your way out?
CJC: Ms. Landrum, come... OK...
VL: (leaving) ... I got my, uh..
BC: Wait, wait, wait, wait, here it is, here it is- (laughs)
CJC: (loudly calling out) She found... Ms. Landrum
PW: I should be able to read the (unintelligible) on the machine.
CJC: OK, Miss Wolf, would you take the photographs that ah... she showed to us.
PW: (to BC and VL) May I take those that you brought here today?
**** (All talking at once)
CJC: ... and ah... the documents.... I understand...
BC: ... (unintelligible) at home, I'm sorry... I'm not real proud of that one there...
VL: This is like...
CJC: I understand...
BC: I just got to pull my wig off about a month ago...
VL: This is like the helicopter that looked... and this is uh.. see this here? ...
CTD: Now you see that says Army National Guard...
VL: (breaking in) Well, I mean this... I've taken these pictures here by myself, 'cause I was wanting to satisfy, cause when this one started over... you know, Dayton, I was living right there the edge of Dayton, he like to had a fit because he thought that the thing was coming back to get him.
CTD: Now you see, that says Army National Guard, and a big...
VL: Yeah but...
CTD:... insignia of Texas... ... did you see that at all, was that on the...?
**** (All talking at once)
BC: (emphatic) No I did not!, because I was not in the city of Dayton at the time.
VL: She didn't, She didn't see this one...
CTD: No, no, no, no....
CJC: Hold on a second... We were talking on about the night in question, the night you supposedly saw the object in the sky, the UFO.
BC: No, no.
VL: The only thing... I... the only thing I can tell you is that, to me they, they looked just like this, and I couldn't see nothing on them.
CJC: How were you able to count them at night?... did they...
VL: Well, like I say, I might have counted more or less, but I was saying: one, two, three, because they were coming, I mean, even when we got down there uh to the um, bank we could look back and there were some that were, were going like... they were going toward it. I mean some of them wasn't the double rotary type, some of them was the other type, I mean just a... like, you know they weren't quite as big, but what caught our eyes was the ones that had the double rotaries up there.
BC: They're weird looking.
CTD: OK.
VL: Well they really were!.
CTD: The double rotary one was the one you saw "U.S. Air Force" on... ?
BC: Yeah, CTD:... and it... you did not remember seeing anything like... that looked like a silhouette of the State of Texas?
BC: No.
CJC: OK... Pat, see if we can make ah... copies of...
VL: (breaking in) Well, I mean, I don't care if you have those because the pilot told me that...
BC: (breaking in) Well I do... 'cause that one's mine.
VL: to BC No... what I'm talking about is I don't care if he has a copy.
BC: Oh.... no I don't mind him having a copy.
CJC: OK... no, I'm going to give it back. VL: But... ah... ah... he told me that and when I called this certain person... and uh... he said, try to get his autograph... and uh... when I said... look... the way I done it, I said well Lord be Hallelujah, somebody has really... up and... really somebody that, that really knew something was up there, you know, and he says: "what you mean?". And I said because we were the ones that were hurt that night. And then when this guy called, well he had just heard about it, he didn't...
(break in recording)
CTD: What does your husband do
VL: He works at Richmond Tank Company at Shelby
CTD: What's his job, what... ?
VL: He's a... um... he runs a... uh, uh, uh, now wait now, let me... um... (nervous laugh)... anyway...
VL: He did do brake work, and now they got him where ah, he's old enough where he just walks around a running the tests's on all the cars, they call it some kind of tests, you know, where they test the brakes, and if they any leaks, well then he tells somebody where its happening.
CTD: Does he have some type of medical insurance at all?
VL: Yes sir, but you can't get no doctor to help you get into the hospital or nothing.
CTD: But you did have some type of medical insurance.
VL: Oh, yes sir.
CTD: What about you? Did you work anyplace?
BC: I have Medicare.
CTD: OK. Did you work at that time anyplace?
BC: No, no I wasn't... the reason we was just out tooling around.
CTD: Are you retired, or ... ?
BC: No, I'm not retired, I'm just not able to go back to work.
VL: Well, she did have her own business.
BC: I had, well James did, I didn't, and I got a divorce.
CTD: OK, have you just gotten a divorce when this happened?
BC: Right.
CTD: 'Bout how long ago?
BC: Well, I had filed for it in January, or February, and I had gotten it in, what, July or August.
CJC: 1980?
BC: Yes... it was about six - seven months, when I got it.
CTD: And you got the business that you... you and your husband had?
BC: Closed it up.
CTD: You closed it up... what kind of business was it?
BC: It was a restaurant and a grocery store... couldn't make no money (nervous laugh).
CL: Can we go for ice cream?
CJC: OK, now I asked you earlier, uh... you came here because Senator Benson had recommended that you come here.
BC:Yes.
CJC: Is there anything in particular you hope to gain by coming and talking with um... us in the Air Force, to people in the Air Force?
BC: (emphatically) Sure! That's the main purpose we're here.
CJC: Alright, would you... this is again for you to tell me... why don't you tell me what you hope to gain, Ms. Cash.
BC:Well, I hope to find out what the object was, and what the purpose of it was, being there on the road at the time, and God forbid I don't ever want anything to happen to any of my family or my friends, even to you or your family, even to an animal to what I've had to go through. It would satisfy my mind to find out what it was and what it was doing there. I believe that our federal government... we've GOT to have secrets, let's face it, in a very severe time like we are going through right now...
BC: Who's supposed to protect us?
...but things that hurt the American people, then I think it's time they should be stopped.
CJC: OK, Ms. Landrum, what is your hopes or aspirations with coming and talking with us today?
BC: Well, that's what I'm hoping for, there has to be an answer somewhere, you know?... CL: Right.
VL:... And what better place is it than a part of the government, because they're supposed to protect us anyway, right? Because my husband went over there and fought for two and a half years... he got two purple hearts out of the deal, and if you're not protected, what did he go over there for?
CJC: OK, now Representative Williamson said: that since 1969 the Air Force no longer has been made... has been the responsible agency to investigate UFO sightings... some of the history that the Congressman told you is correct... ah... before 1969 there was a Project Bluebook... which Project Bluebook basically was just to keep up with all the sightings... all incidents where individuals had seen UFOs and what had happened. In 1969, that was one of the things that Congress said that the Air Force will not do anymore. Then in 1974 - 1975, the President of the United States at that time recommended that NASA, The National Aeronautics and Space Administration see if it would serve any national interest to reopen Project Bluebook with the idea of researching UFOs and occurrences as they happen in the United States. It was the response back of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration that they not reopen Project Bluebook. Now the reason I'm telling you this is that once you tell you me your story today, I am without any power at all to do anything here a this level...
BC: (agitated) Well now, what can we do?
CJC: OK... Alright... just let me say I'm not, can I get in the position of advising you to do one (chuckle) thing or another, but let me just tell you that, other than hearing your story, I have nobody to refer it to higher than this base here, with the exception of the agency of the Air Force that used to investigate UFO sightings and keep up with it. Now that office I'll be more than happy to forward a brief report of what happened today and what you told us and it will be up to them to determine whether or not they will take any action with respect to it. Ms. Cash, Ms. Landrum, I do not know...
VL: (very agitated) Where... but where do we go?..
CTD: Did you get a letter that mentions the National Archives, and the organizations that investigate UFOs?... that you said you got from Charles Wilson, I believe?... do you have that?
VL: No, I, I turned it over and wrote him a letter back.
CTD: But do you have the letter he sent to you?
VL: Huh?... No, I turned it over and wrote him a letter on the back side of it...
CTD: OK..
VL: .. and sent it back to him
CJC: Ms. Landrum, the situation is this, at one time, the federal government investigated these claims, complaints of what happened, but there are such... there's such a large number of private organizations like you've already been in contact with that also have started investigating, that Congress has essentially said that it serves no useful purpose to have all these private organizations investigating it and have the United States Government investigate it as well. Now, in other words there'd be no value in doing two reports and if these separate companies or groups that investigate UFO sightings can do a good job investigating it then there's really no need for the Air Force or for the Army or anybody else to investigate it as well. Now it sounds that you have generated quite a bit of interest from these other groups, I know that this gentleman that called and talked with you, also you're going to meet with some other people, and there was a scientist that said that he wanted to keep your fingernail clippings to subject them to some tests... Ah... I can give you an address of the agency in Washington that used to investigate these complaints and they will send you back a package of private organization such as those you've been in contact with already...(unintelligible, covered by: )
VL: (breaking in) Well, we've only been in contact with one.
CJC : OK, I cannot sit here and say how many there are or where they're located...
VL: (breaking in, agitated) Look!... I mean... AH...
CJC: (continuing) and they will send you an effective package of people to contact and, you know, maybe even want to yet in contact with you regarding what happened to you, and see what's to be done...
VL: To put it point blank, what we thought maybe you could give us an answer of where to go from here, or what to do, because I'm gonna find the answer...
CJC: Well as I said...
VL: (continuing) ... it might take me a lifetime but I intend to find it.
CJC:Well, my intentions are in no way to frustrate you if I can help you... (unintelligible, covered by: )
VL: (breaking in) You know what I mean though...
CJC: Yes, I understand...
VL:... because I'm gonna find the answer, and it had to be something the government had up there, you know, and I intend to find it.
CJC: Well, what I'm going suggest is this... we will prepare a report, and again, it'll be nothing more than just a letter saying that we met with you today, and that we have copies of the tape recordings of our conversation as well as Xerox copies of, you know, what we were able to copy at the time, and we'll forward this to this agency in Washington that formerly investigated it, it will have to be up to them whether to contact you to further to... to open up a special investigation into it, or to correspond with you directly, but that is the only thing I can do for you at this time.
BC: Well, who is responsible for us being injured?
CJC: I'm afraid I can't answer that, again, I, you know... based upon the story that you said, you know, maybe you would like to consult a civilian attorney and see what action he'd like to take to with respect to that, relative to whether or not I can confirm or deny that I do not have that ability, nor do I have that knowledge, as to whether or not it in fact occurred.
VL; We just thought we might be get some answers if we came up here, and I guess we drove (chuckle) all that far for nothing.
BC: Well, it was a clear try, I mean they've been nice, and I appreciate it.
VL: I know, I really appreciate it, but I don't want no more uh, uh... investigators having me go over the deal, because uh... the thing about is I was hypnotized, I have the tape if they want to hear the tape, that's fine, but I don't intend to go through it anymore.
CJC: I understand. Well I can assure you that a bunch of lawyers...
VL: (breaking in) I don't, I don't, and there's a lot of quacks, there really is, that's uh... supposed to be big UFO dealers and wheelers, and they're not after hunting the truth, they after something... proving something that's unreal, and it's... what was up there was real, it hurt us, it wasn't outer space either.
CJC: Well, sometimes they're out to make a sensational story, they'll get people to buy their publication, to read it, but my interest in this is, you know, I have no intentions of making any type of report to the newspaper or anything, I will do exactly as...
BC: (at same time as CJC aboveRight... right, right.
VL: Don't put that on his arm, it would hurt him probably.
CJC:That's OK, I got a little boy just about your age myself... Ah... my intentions are to hear what you had to say this morning and to try to get it into an agency of the Air Force or portion of the Air Force that could help you. I must be frank with you and tell you that I know of no such part of the Air Force that today investigates these complaints but, on your behalf, I will forward it on to that agency and say, look this is what these people reported to me. I give it to you to decide if you want to do something with it or not, if you want to do something with it then fine, but, you know, unfortunately Senator Benson in referring you here... we're an agency that has not investigated UFO sightings in almost eleven years. And then we were, in effect, told by the Congress and the President that we would not be doing that anymore.
BC: Well, he didn't tell me to come here for you to investigate UFOs, he said to come here to file a claim.
CJC: OK, now if you wish to file a claim, we can help you in that respect.
VL: That's why (unintelligible)... that's what we want to do.
CJC: OK, if you wish to do that... Miss Wolf... we have the documents and the paperwork to assist you in getting started along those lines, but I must tell you at the beginning, OK, in as much that I am a government attorney as is Captain Davis... we cannot provide you with legal advice...
VL: .. Well, we don't need any legal advice.
CJC: ... the claims forms are the forms which, and they're self explanatory...
VL: Cause, we have the proof, and when you have the proof, you don't need legal advice.
CJC: Well... that's... that's true, I'm sure... but anyhow, the ah... the forms are self explanatory, Miss Wolf will give them to you and if you wish to go ahead and file a claim, then, you know we'll process it in that respect, OK? Now let me ask you, do you wish that I go forward with this information to Washington?
BC: (emphatically) Sure!
CJC: .. or that I hold it back and attach it to your claim?
BC: Well, send it on in.
VL Either way, either way, (unintelligible)... the better I'd like it. It doesn't make any difference to me.
CJC: OK. Again, my intentions in talking with you today was to find out as much as possible about what happened...
VL: (breaking in) And we appreciate it, because ah... ah, we've been trying for seven, almost eight months now... ah to get answers which we get pieces, a little here, a little there till, um... its pretty well... like a puzzle you're putting together.. and... we gonna get it together... it's gonna be fit together.
CTD: We suggest that ah... you get advice from a civilian attorney about filling out your claim forms and filing a claim.
BC: OK.
CJC
PW: Ok, we got enough for both of 'em?
Um hum.
CJC:... have to be one for each of you... one for Colby, one for Eunice Cash, one for Eunice Landrum.
CTD:... And you'll need two... and you'll need... The forms are self-explanatory, but you'll need to sign 'em, all this original and like I said, you may want to consult with a civilian attorney to yet the best advice on what to do ... but uh ... the claim forms are really self-explanatory.
VL: OK.
CL: I want to sign.
CJC: I think you'll have to wait a few years before you'll know how.
VL: If you wouldn't mind, (unintelligible) here's our address, you can just mail it to Dayton.
CTD: . Dayton is in our...
BC: (laughs)
CTD: Your name begins with a "C", C-A-S-H?
BC: Right.
CTD: OK.
CJC
BC: breaking in) Right...
PW: We will need to have these forms filled out, in the original and two carbon copies, but you'll have to sign all three copies, Ok?... and as for your son here, since you're his legal guardian you will sign...
BC:Fill each form with two carbon copies?
PW:Yes ma'am... Uh huh... Put the two carbons in and just fill out the one form and it'll come through, but do sign each one.
BC: Well thank you, I'm sorry that we took up your time, but we had to get...
CJC: My time is your time
VL: That's the reason I was hypnotized, because, I mean, I, I, I knew I wasn't lying, and I did it because I wanted these other people to know I wasn't lying, so ah....
CJC: OK, if you would please, ah... just so that... since we referenced it in our conversation, the letter from Senator Benson, if you would you please let us have it...
BC: Surely.
CJC: ... you know, it would give us a document...
VL:I appreciate him sending it to me, it's more than we could get out of anybody else... so I really appreciated him taking up his time.
CJC
VL:
BC:No, I think we can make it.
BC: We found it. (laughs)
VL:The only thing is terrible my eyes are bad and I can hardly see how to drive, and she... her being in the hospital and everything, she forgot she had a birthday, and when she was sick down here a while ago she got expired driver's license!
BC: Oh dear! (laughs)
VL: Well, I guess I'll have to drive back today..
VL&BC: (Both together laughing and joking about driving home)
BC: ... Unless I go downtown and get my driver's license..
VL: (breaking in) Reckon she could yet 'em down here? CJC
(Cassette end)
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The Kecksburg Crash
Note: On November 1, 2003, NASA released some forty pages of documents that are supposedly related to the Kecksburg incident. You can see these documents on our site. The documents are all in the .PDF format, which requires an Acrobat Reader
Go to: NASA- Kecksburg documents
What exactly soared through the late afternoon skies of Canada, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania on December 5, 1965? Eye witnesses described the unknown object as a "fireball," but it seemed to be under some type of intelligent control, as it veered somewhat in Ohio toward the Quaker State. One of the first official reports of that day came from Frances Kalp, who phoned in her experience to radio station WHJB in Greensburg at 6:30 P.M. She related seeing a fiery object crash into a wooded area near her home in Westmoreland County. Kalp and her children had approached the site within a half-mile, and there they saw an odd object resembling a "four-pointed star." Radio station employee John Murphy immediately phoned in the report to the Pennsylvania State Police Department. The Police phoned Kalp and arranged to meet her in Kecksburg.
Murphy also raced to the site of the alleged crash. He interviewed Kalp and her children for his report, while the State Police searched the woods for the crashed object. Murphy eagerly awaited the return of the searchers. When they finally completed their search, Murphy was unable to get any clear information from either Carl Metz or Paul Shipco, who headed the search. They only stated that they were calling in the Military to handle the case. Undaunted, Murphy made phone contact with Captain Dussia at State Police Headquarters in Greensburg. Murphy was instructed to visit the office to receive an official statement on the search party results. Upon arriving at headquarters, Murphy noticed that the Military had already arrived in force. Murphy was startled when he received the "official" statement;
"The Pennsylvania State Police have made a thorough search of the woods. We are convinced that there is nothing whatsoever in the woods."
By this time, Murphy was convinced that there was a cover-up of some kind. If there was nothing in the woods, why would the Military be in force at Pennsylvania's Police headquarters? After turning in his report to the radio station, Murphy overheard one of the policemen involved in the search describing a "pulsating blue light" in the forest. Murphy was told that Officer Metz and the Military were going back to the woods, and to his surprise he was given permission to join the second search. Murphy's excitement soon turned to disappointment when after accompanying the party to the outskirts of the woods, he was kept from going any farther. Murphy was an eye witness to the Military sealing off the area, and banning all civilians from the scene and its immediate surroundings. The story of the crash soon made newspapers and television, and the area was quickly overflowing with people wanting to get first hand information on what could possibly be a historic event. What had actually crashed into the woods? Was it just a fragment of a comet? Or space debris reentering the Earth's atmosphere? If the explanation was so simple, however, why had the Military cordoned off the area? Could it have been a secret Military craft? Or something far more mysterious?
It soon became common knowledge that some eager, interested civilians had made a trip into the woods before the Military gained control of the area. These few individuals were interviewed by Stan Gordon, and told an amazing story. They stated that they saw a copper-bronze colored, saucer-shaped object crashed in the woods. This craft was anywhere from 9-12 feet in length, and bore a gold band around its bottom. Some of the witnesses described writing on the craft which resembled Egyptian hieroglyphics. These few witnesses were quickly whisked away when discovered by Military personnel. Later that night, witnesses claimed that they observed a flatbed truck toting a large object, covered by a tarpaulin. Shortly after the departure of the flatbed, many of the Military personnel vacated the search area. Could this have been a craft from another world being taken down our highways?
An extremely intense day of activity was followed by a quiet morning, and it seemed that what had occurred was just a dream. The Air Force concluded their investigation with the "official" statement that a meteorite was responsible for the report of a glowing craft, and subsequent crash in the woods. The media as a whole accepted this explanation, and the matter seemed for all intent and purposes, closed. Had it not been for a 1990 television program, the Kecksburg crash would have been just another fancied report by a few overly excited witnesses.
The area of Kecksburg would again become a beehive of controversy after a dramatization of the events on "Unsolved Mysteries" in 1990. The citizens of the area seemed to be equally divided on the value of airing the segment, with some accepting the "official" explanation, and others claiming "cover-up." Even before the segment aired, some protesters promoted a petition to stop the network from airing the Kecksburg story.
The actual witnesses of the event prevailed, stating that the petitioner's list did not include any eye witnesses to the original event. Opposite sides were also taken by those officially investigating the facts of Kecksburg.
After the television show ran, two new witnesses came forward. One was a USAF officer at Lockbourne AFB (near Columbus, Ohio). In the early hours of December 10, a truck arrived by the little used back gate of the base and he was ordered to patrol it. It was a flat-bed with a large tarpaulin on the surface covering a conical object. He was told to shoot anyone who tried to get too close. He was advised the truck was bound for Wright Patterson AFB, which is the reputed home of other crashed saucers.
The other witness was a building contractor who was asked two days later to take a load of 6,500 special bricks to a hangar inside Wright Patterson. When he sneaked a look inside the hangar he saw a bell-shaped device, some 12 feet high sitting there. Several men wearing white anti-radiation style suits were inspecting the object. After he had been escorted out he was told that he had just seen an object that would become common knowledge in 20 years time.
Investigator Robert Young, for one, became an advocate of the Military's official explanation. Stan Gordon, on the other hand, believed the eye witness accounts, and the cover-up theory. Gordon took his findings to the next level, producing a 92 minute documentary video of his findings, titled "Kecksburg: The Untold Story."
As to be expected, alternative theories were put forward by skeptics and debunkers, such as the reentering of the Russian VENUS probe, but this scenario was rejected by the American and Russian governments. One interesting footnote to this haunting tale came from the widow of John Murphy, who shortly after his death, publicly stated that her husband had been one of the first on the scene, and had actually photographed the strange craft. Supposedly, these valuable snapshots were confiscated by Military officers, and Murphy was instructed not to discuss what he knew, unless he wanted to suffer severe consequences.
In January 1980 UFO investigator Clark McClelland interviewed the assistant fire chief of Kecksburg, James Mayes, and Melvin Reese, another fireman. They reported that their team had come within sixty meters of the object. They had seen an object on the ground that had smashed its way through the trees. Mayes explained how the military had cordoned off the woods and had established a temporary base, complete with telecom link. Fire chief Robert Bitner would later confirm this story. He also said he had seen an object that was about 6 feet high, 6 feet wide, and some 15 feet long, clearly not an aircraft. It was resting at an angle on the ground as if it had impacted nearly horizontally. Another fire officer, 'Pete', stated he had seen a ring of bumpers around it into which were described some pictorial symbols.
In 1990, researcher Stan Gordon from the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained, traced an apparent first-hand witness, James Romansky. He recalled seeing the object on the ground some 25 years previously, when he was an 18 year old fire fighter. He had been called to duty that night following concerns that an airplane had crashed.
He described the object as bronze coloured and shaped like an acorn-some 12 feet long and 25 feet in diameter; it had slightly raised "blunt" end and strange markings.
The Kecksburg crash, in many ways similar to the Roswell case, remains an extremely interesting one, and is still considered an "unsolved" case. (B J Booth).
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The Manhattan Abduction (Linda Cortile Napolitano)
An extremely compelling and controversial case of alien abduction is that of Linda Napolitano, (originally aliased as Cortile) which was researched by the well-known and respected Budd Hopkins. Napolitano claimed that she was abducted by the so-called "greys," who floated her from a closed bedroom window into a hovering UFO. The craft was waiting for her above a Manhattan apartment building at about 3:00 A.M. November 30, 1989. Linda's experience, though intriguing, was hampered at first by memory loss. She could recall only bits and pieces of the abduction. She could remember vividly the actual kidnapping and the room where she was examined, but the transportation process itself was totally lost to her. Further details of the case would be forthcoming via the passage of time, other witness statements, and through regressive hypnosis.
Hopkins, as to be expected, has been ridiculed by many of his peers, but has been steadfast in searching out the consistent, underlying themes that run through alien abduction cases. Napolitano's case is remarkable and unique in itself, although following the general abduction pattern on some points. More than a year after Cortile's experience, Hopkins received mail correspondence from two witnesses, (known as Richard and Dan) who claimed to have actually seen the abduction.
Doubtful at first about these witnesses, their claims would ultimately be a building block of the case itself. Agreeing perfectly with Linda's account of the abduction, the two men were bodyguards of a senior United Nations statesman who was visiting Manhattan. This diplomat would eventually be identified as Javier Perez de Cuellar, who, according to his two bodyguards, was visibly shaken while viewing the surreal scene. These three men encountered an unbelievable sight...the plight of a woman being floated through the air, and not only that...but three entities were also being floated, accompanying her on a short trip to a massive hovering flying craft.
Linda's own words:
"I'm standing up on nothing. And they take me out all the way up, way above the building. Ooh, I hope I don't fall. The UFO opens up almost like a clam and then I'm inside," said 41 year old (at the time) Linda.
"I see benches similar to regular benches. And they're bringing me down a hallway. Doors open like sliding doors. Inside are all these lights and buttons and a big long table."
"I don't want to get up on that table. They get me on the table anyway. They start saying things to me and I'm yelling. I can still yell. One of them says something that sounds like {Nobbyegg}. I think they were trying to tell me to be quiet because he put his hand over my mouth."
The high-level of security clearance and professionalism required for the two bodyguards' positions would be no help in dealing with what they had seen. What they witnessed that night would become a curse to them, having a deep impact on their lives for years to come.
They would become irrational and psychotic, and one of them would become to think of Linda as having some unusual, extraordinary power or influence on others. He began to stalk her. Did he somehow blame Linda for his emotional behavior and fear? Or would his involvement be a threat to his livelihood?
The actions of the two bodyguards, whom would later be revealed as CIA agents, presented a strange, enigma to Hopkins. On April 29, 1991 they kidnapped Linda, bundled her into their car in broad daylight and quizzed her for three hours. Dan became increasingly upset with Linda as she repeated stated that she had no idea why it (the abduction) had happened. Linda would be kidnapped a second time by the men who tried to pry information from her, thinking she had a part in the alien abduction herself, which brought them into the case involuntarily.
One of the agents, Richard, stated:
"There was an oval-shaped object hovering over the top of the apartment building two or three blocks up from where we sat."
"We didn't know where it came from. It happened too fast. Its lights turned from a bright reddish orange to a whitish blue coming out of the bottom. Green lights rotated round the edge of the saucer. A little girl or woman wearing a white gown sailed out of the window in a fetal position - and then stood in mid-air in this beam of light. I could see three of the ugliest creatures I ever saw. I don't know what they were. They weren't human."
"Their heads were out of proportion, very large heads with no hair. Those buggers were escorting her into the craft. My partner screamed, 'We have got to get them.' We tried to get out of the car but couldn't. After the woman was escorted in, the oval turned reddish orange again and whisked off."
Hopkins told them that Linda Cortile was the woman they had seen.
Hopkins' investigation would gain additional momentum when more witnesses to the event would come forward with their stories.
As was the usual, Hopkins kept the details of his case private until they reached a certain level of credibility. The additional eyewitnesses stated that they too, had seen the abduction that night from the Brooklyn Bridge. The witnesses (one of which was one Janet Kimbell?, or Kimble) thought they were watching the filming of a scene from an upcoming Sci-fi film. She was a retired telephone operator. Soon, Hopkins could not keep the lid on the Napolitano abduction any longer.
The case would take a dramatic turn when Hopkins finally discovered the identity of the United Nations representative, or the "third man," as Javier Perez de Cuellar, the former Secretary General of the United Nations. Naturally, Hopkins' dream would be to get Cuellar to go public with his acknowledgment of the facts of the abduction, which would bring the case and the entire alien abduction question to a sensational level of acceptance within the public's eye, and the scientific community.
Although Cuellar corresponded with Hopkins and verified the abduction, he explained to Hopkins that he could not go public for obvious reasons. Cuellar went even as far as to meet privately with Hopkins to discuss details of his observations that night, but demanded that he remain anonymous.
The Linda Napolitano affair is without question one of the best documented alien abduction cases in UFO history. Most of these cases are related to authorities and investigators by a single person. It is extremely unusual to have multiple witnesses, especially those totally unknown to the experiencer, to validate the facts of an alien abduction. Hopkins did an exceptional job of holding together the case, despite some unusual twists and turns.
Skeptics, as you would expect, dismiss the case without offering any evidence to support their theories, except the commonly used statement, "it can't happen, so therefore it didn't."
In a recent French magazine, La Gazette Forteenne, Issue # 2, 2003, Linda gives an interview that does add some new facts about her case. She mentions a new witness, a New York Post truck driver, who saw the abduction from the Brooklyn Bridge. No name is given
There had also been rumors of the abduction causing a small traffic jam on the intersection between South Street and Catherine Slip. Now, there is a witness who saw the stopped traffic at approximately the same time as the abduction. Linda says:
"At the New York Post complex, a well-known journalist leaves a nearby bar. Too drunk to drive, he asks one of the drivers if he can drop him home. The driver answers that the lorries cannot move because there are several limos blocking the street. He even suspected that the big boss could be paying a visit to the newspaper."
Supposedly, the lead limo was the one carrying Dan, Richard, and Cuellar. Hopefully, more information will be forthcoming in the near future.
(B J Booth)
sources:
Several Writing experts say that these people were Hoaxers or Fraud with their own analysis of the letters writing,studying the style of hand-writing.The way of using words was deduced to be banal and hackneyed.
bye!
An extremely compelling and controversial case of alien abduction is that of Linda Napolitano, (originally aliased as Cortile) which was researched by the well-known and respected Budd Hopkins. Napolitano claimed that she was abducted by the so-called "greys," who floated her from a closed bedroom window into a hovering UFO. The craft was waiting for her above a Manhattan apartment building at about 3:00 A.M. November 30, 1989. Linda's experience, though intriguing, was hampered at first by memory loss. She could recall only bits and pieces of the abduction. She could remember vividly the actual kidnapping and the room where she was examined, but the transportation process itself was totally lost to her. Further details of the case would be forthcoming via the passage of time, other witness statements, and through regressive hypnosis.
Hopkins, as to be expected, has been ridiculed by many of his peers, but has been steadfast in searching out the consistent, underlying themes that run through alien abduction cases. Napolitano's case is remarkable and unique in itself, although following the general abduction pattern on some points. More than a year after Cortile's experience, Hopkins received mail correspondence from two witnesses, (known as Richard and Dan) who claimed to have actually seen the abduction.
Doubtful at first about these witnesses, their claims would ultimately be a building block of the case itself. Agreeing perfectly with Linda's account of the abduction, the two men were bodyguards of a senior United Nations statesman who was visiting Manhattan. This diplomat would eventually be identified as Javier Perez de Cuellar, who, according to his two bodyguards, was visibly shaken while viewing the surreal scene. These three men encountered an unbelievable sight...the plight of a woman being floated through the air, and not only that...but three entities were also being floated, accompanying her on a short trip to a massive hovering flying craft.
Linda's own words:
"I'm standing up on nothing. And they take me out all the way up, way above the building. Ooh, I hope I don't fall. The UFO opens up almost like a clam and then I'm inside," said 41 year old (at the time) Linda.
"I see benches similar to regular benches. And they're bringing me down a hallway. Doors open like sliding doors. Inside are all these lights and buttons and a big long table."
"I don't want to get up on that table. They get me on the table anyway. They start saying things to me and I'm yelling. I can still yell. One of them says something that sounds like {Nobbyegg}. I think they were trying to tell me to be quiet because he put his hand over my mouth."
The high-level of security clearance and professionalism required for the two bodyguards' positions would be no help in dealing with what they had seen. What they witnessed that night would become a curse to them, having a deep impact on their lives for years to come.
They would become irrational and psychotic, and one of them would become to think of Linda as having some unusual, extraordinary power or influence on others. He began to stalk her. Did he somehow blame Linda for his emotional behavior and fear? Or would his involvement be a threat to his livelihood?
The actions of the two bodyguards, whom would later be revealed as CIA agents, presented a strange, enigma to Hopkins. On April 29, 1991 they kidnapped Linda, bundled her into their car in broad daylight and quizzed her for three hours. Dan became increasingly upset with Linda as she repeated stated that she had no idea why it (the abduction) had happened. Linda would be kidnapped a second time by the men who tried to pry information from her, thinking she had a part in the alien abduction herself, which brought them into the case involuntarily.
One of the agents, Richard, stated:
"There was an oval-shaped object hovering over the top of the apartment building two or three blocks up from where we sat."
"We didn't know where it came from. It happened too fast. Its lights turned from a bright reddish orange to a whitish blue coming out of the bottom. Green lights rotated round the edge of the saucer. A little girl or woman wearing a white gown sailed out of the window in a fetal position - and then stood in mid-air in this beam of light. I could see three of the ugliest creatures I ever saw. I don't know what they were. They weren't human."
"Their heads were out of proportion, very large heads with no hair. Those buggers were escorting her into the craft. My partner screamed, 'We have got to get them.' We tried to get out of the car but couldn't. After the woman was escorted in, the oval turned reddish orange again and whisked off."
Hopkins told them that Linda Cortile was the woman they had seen.
Hopkins' investigation would gain additional momentum when more witnesses to the event would come forward with their stories.
As was the usual, Hopkins kept the details of his case private until they reached a certain level of credibility. The additional eyewitnesses stated that they too, had seen the abduction that night from the Brooklyn Bridge. The witnesses (one of which was one Janet Kimbell?, or Kimble) thought they were watching the filming of a scene from an upcoming Sci-fi film. She was a retired telephone operator. Soon, Hopkins could not keep the lid on the Napolitano abduction any longer.
The case would take a dramatic turn when Hopkins finally discovered the identity of the United Nations representative, or the "third man," as Javier Perez de Cuellar, the former Secretary General of the United Nations. Naturally, Hopkins' dream would be to get Cuellar to go public with his acknowledgment of the facts of the abduction, which would bring the case and the entire alien abduction question to a sensational level of acceptance within the public's eye, and the scientific community.
Although Cuellar corresponded with Hopkins and verified the abduction, he explained to Hopkins that he could not go public for obvious reasons. Cuellar went even as far as to meet privately with Hopkins to discuss details of his observations that night, but demanded that he remain anonymous.
The Linda Napolitano affair is without question one of the best documented alien abduction cases in UFO history. Most of these cases are related to authorities and investigators by a single person. It is extremely unusual to have multiple witnesses, especially those totally unknown to the experiencer, to validate the facts of an alien abduction. Hopkins did an exceptional job of holding together the case, despite some unusual twists and turns.
Skeptics, as you would expect, dismiss the case without offering any evidence to support their theories, except the commonly used statement, "it can't happen, so therefore it didn't."
In a recent French magazine, La Gazette Forteenne, Issue # 2, 2003, Linda gives an interview that does add some new facts about her case. She mentions a new witness, a New York Post truck driver, who saw the abduction from the Brooklyn Bridge. No name is given
There had also been rumors of the abduction causing a small traffic jam on the intersection between South Street and Catherine Slip. Now, there is a witness who saw the stopped traffic at approximately the same time as the abduction. Linda says:
"At the New York Post complex, a well-known journalist leaves a nearby bar. Too drunk to drive, he asks one of the drivers if he can drop him home. The driver answers that the lorries cannot move because there are several limos blocking the street. He even suspected that the big boss could be paying a visit to the newspaper."
Supposedly, the lead limo was the one carrying Dan, Richard, and Cuellar. Hopefully, more information will be forthcoming in the near future.
(B J Booth)
sources:
- Wall Street Journal, (Jefferson, 1992)
- MUFON Symposium, 1992
- OMNI, (Baskin, 1992)
- Paris Match (De Brosses, 1992)
- New York Times (Sontag, 1992)
- Inside Edition (television show)
- Mufon UFO Journal (Stacy, 1992, p. 9
(Mon Cas: 30 Novembre 1989 - La Gazette Forteenne #2, 2003)
Several Writing experts say that these people were Hoaxers or Fraud with their own analysis of the letters writing,studying the style of hand-writing.The way of using words was deduced to be banal and hackneyed.
bye!
Several Important and interesting cases were added today.These cases have been a center for attraction of Media as well as UFOlogists,studying subject seriously...
i hope i am giving enough details without any Bias to you for studying...
I"ll be posting as i get information...meanwhile enjoy reading...
thank you for your time.
bye!
i hope i am giving enough details without any Bias to you for studying...
I"ll be posting as i get information...meanwhile enjoy reading...
thank you for your time.
bye!
,,, and all this from one that dosn't know what "gimbole-lock" is.
Kiwidesigner
Registered Member
Great post - interesting reading. I'm a UFO Researcher and have had experiences throughout my life so my vote was a pretty obvious one on this issue.
Just joined so am looking forward to reading some of this forums postings.
Karen
UFO's The Beginning of a New World
Just joined so am looking forward to reading some of this forums postings.
Karen
UFO's The Beginning of a New World
Your jealousy is showing, quite whining and go back to make unpresidented , ignorant findings.craterchains (Norval said:
Ancient_Yesterday251
Registered Senior Member
My best friend with his two friends Andrew and Andrews cousin (forget his name) who were all staying up all night and while walking around outside all swore they saw about 100 yards away a UFO in the air, they were all pretty sure that's what they saw so they ran towards it, unable to get any closer as it was moving away from them they walked away, it followed them for some 4 blocks before they decided to go out into the fields to get a better view as it would be darker there and easier to distinguish lights in the sky. When they got there they watched the lights lower to the ground somewhat quickly. They freaked out as they thought that whatever it was had landed because of them, so they ran to Andrews house and hung out in his room upstairs with the curtains closed.
About 15 minutes later they saw a red-orange vertical beam enter the room and "scan" over them, it did this a few times and stopped. Ron (my best friend) said he was so scared he was ready to shit himself. Andrews cousin looked out the window and claims he saw a kind of "black smoke" come at the window and bounce off and away (i don't believe that part tho, he was the only one to see that and he was stoned from a party he had been to earlier). Ron and Andrew were not under the influence of anything, also noted that Ron swears on his mothers grave that he saw a UFO and that he's certain it wasn't anything else, and he takes that oath very seriously......he was very close to her, but that's personal so back to the story.
After the beam stopped it was around sunrise so they eventually fell asleep when the occurances stopped. I found the beam to be interesting, the curtains were closed and the were on the 2nd floor, no laser pen i know of can hit that angle, and through the curtains no less.
I realize how crazy this all sounds, I wouldn't have believed it myself if it had come from anyone else other than my best-friend who swore as he did that he had seen nothing less than a UFO.
About 15 minutes later they saw a red-orange vertical beam enter the room and "scan" over them, it did this a few times and stopped. Ron (my best friend) said he was so scared he was ready to shit himself. Andrews cousin looked out the window and claims he saw a kind of "black smoke" come at the window and bounce off and away (i don't believe that part tho, he was the only one to see that and he was stoned from a party he had been to earlier). Ron and Andrew were not under the influence of anything, also noted that Ron swears on his mothers grave that he saw a UFO and that he's certain it wasn't anything else, and he takes that oath very seriously......he was very close to her, but that's personal so back to the story.
After the beam stopped it was around sunrise so they eventually fell asleep when the occurances stopped. I found the beam to be interesting, the curtains were closed and the were on the 2nd floor, no laser pen i know of can hit that angle, and through the curtains no less.
I realize how crazy this all sounds, I wouldn't have believed it myself if it had come from anyone else other than my best-friend who swore as he did that he had seen nothing less than a UFO.
I chose other on the pole
I believe that there are many kinds of unidentified flying objects, however there are a rare few that I believe can be identified as flying saucers. (lets not forget that the "official scientiffic community" denies they exist("they" meaning flying saucers not UFOs)) I chose other because I believe flying saucers are man-made electro-propulsive flying machines. I and others I know have seen alot of purple/green sightings at night, both colors are electrical, and can be observed from many high voltage machines. (like Tesla Coils and Neon transformers)
I believe that there are many kinds of unidentified flying objects, however there are a rare few that I believe can be identified as flying saucers. (lets not forget that the "official scientiffic community" denies they exist("they" meaning flying saucers not UFOs)) I chose other because I believe flying saucers are man-made electro-propulsive flying machines. I and others I know have seen alot of purple/green sightings at night, both colors are electrical, and can be observed from many high voltage machines. (like Tesla Coils and Neon transformers)
Hi,
I think in the context of pseudoscience Forum,we'd say the word Alien would generally refer to what has been implied in my first post.Although, in U.S. yes Aliens are people from other countries.Yet i would assume that people would understand which alien am i referrring to,isn't it?.
Thanks for pointing out anyways.
I think in the context of pseudoscience Forum,we'd say the word Alien would generally refer to what has been implied in my first post.Although, in U.S. yes Aliens are people from other countries.Yet i would assume that people would understand which alien am i referrring to,isn't it?
.Thanks for pointing out anyways.
zion said:Hi,
I think in the context of pseudoscience Forum,we'd say the word Alien would generally refer to what has been implied in my first post.Although, in U.S. yes Aliens are people from other countries.Yet i would assume that people would understand which alien am i referrring to,isn't it?
Thanks for pointing out anyways.
The reason I pointed that out is because people have asked me for exact definition of terms in my thread UFO crash site. While the definition of Alien is not exact the definition of Extra Terrestrial is very definitive when referenceing intelligent life forms from other worlds. So if you could put in your definition Alien as one from another country because the definition in websters does not reference UFO's then we could be more exact. Even though this is pseudoscience we should strive for correctness because it is still in the name of science.
Some Interesting Books available free for online viewing at NICAP on UFOs :
More to follow,i am in process of gathering information and updates on stuff. We will get to more serious research in the next posts to follow on the subjects.
Thanks
- The UFO Evidence
- The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects -by Edward J. Ruppelt, former head of the United States Air Force Project Blue Book
- Flying Saucers Are REAL : Donald Keyhoe
More to follow,i am in process of gathering information and updates on stuff. We will get to more serious research in the next posts to follow on the subjects.
Thanks
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