Churches quit feeding homeless

madanthonywayne said:
What is it about homosexuality? This is just as stupid as the liberal groups that vilify the boyscouts for not allowing homosexual males to be scout leaders. You shouldn't have to agree on every issue to get together and do something you all agree is good.
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Groups that do not allow atheists or homosexuals to be members at the very least deserve to be shunned. Screw the BSA.
 
All organisations have membership requirements. Why would an atheist or a homosexual want to be a member of a church?

Didn't the Royal Society of London ask a clergyman to step down?
 
The only thing I'll say about this whole thread is this: It's their money, they can spend it (or not) in any way the choose.
 
Read-Only said:
The only thing I'll say about this whole thread is this: It's their money, they can spend it (or not) in any way the choose.
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thats exactly my point read-only. Now you finally get why GOVERMENT and not NGO's should be responcable for the wealfare of the people:)

"charities" look to there own adjender wether that be cohersion into there belife or that superior feeling that the ritch get from "slumming it". Goverments on the other hand have a DUTY, its there JOB to ensure the wealfare of all the citizans
 
Isn't this obvious?

This isn't especially hard to figure out.

"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.

"Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?'

"And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

"Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'

"Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'

"Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

(Matthew 25.31-46)​

Whatever happened to the "Christ" part of "Christian"?
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The Bible: Revised Standard Version. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/
 
I fail to see how that verse is relevant. Throughout the entire article, it never said that they reject homeless homosexuals food, just that they don't hand out food standing next to those that are more tolerant of the homosexual lifestyle.
 
SAM said:
Then there is no problem, is there? If they don't want to be associated with a church that includes LGBT, thats their prerogative; if that is what their parish/congregation/constituency agrees with, they should have the freedom of religion to say so
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And so they do, and of course there is no problem.

Simply a fact, to be remembered: that is what fundies are like, keep their religion and the power of the state separate.
 
Asguard,

“ Originally Posted by Read-Only
The only thing I'll say about this whole thread is this: It's their money, they can spend it (or not) in any way the choose. ”

thats exactly my point read-only. Now you finally get why GOVERMENT and not NGO's should be responcable for the wealfare of the people
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Agreed.
 
Orleander said:
Am I understanding this correctly??

3 local churches are pulling out of a group of churches that come together to feed and minister to the poor/homeless because the other churches will not take a stand against homosexuality?

Now I understand a bit more why Kalamazoo ended up being 6th meanest city in the nation when it comes to the homeless


Churches to leave homeless ministry over sexuality conflict

KALAMAZOO — Theological disagreements over homosexuality are causing a divide within a downtown ministry that serves the poor, homeless and lonely.

Martha’s Table, through which eight churches have provided Sunday afternoon worship and meals for the needy at First Congregational Church, is losing three of the churches because of the issue of homosexuality, even though the ecumenical ministry takes no position on it, said the Rev. Matt Laney, pastor of First Congregational.

Agape Christian Church and Word for Life Church of God plan to withdraw from Martha’s Table at the end of the year, and Centerpoint Church (formerly Third Reformed Church) has already done so, Laney said.

“The founding principle of Martha’s Table was that churches would come together and put aside their differences in light of what unites us, which is our common commitment to serve Christ and others,” Laney said. “But now this difference has risen above our common commitment to serving Christ.”

Laney said representatives of all three churches have been “very clear” that they don’t want to be “guilty by association” with First Congregational and its inclusiveness of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, said Laney, who publicly supported an ordinance passed by Kalamazoo voters in November that protects GLBT people from discrimination in housing, jobs and accommodations.....
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REPLY: I find that VERY SAD. Another of what few sources of kindness are left in our nation has decided to turn their back on people in real need. I am crying as I type this. I see our nation turning against each other in a time when we need to come together. ....traveler
 
Asguard said:
..."charities" look to there own adjender...
... Goverments on the other hand have a DUTY, its there JOB to ensure the wealfare of all the citizans
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I don't know how it is in Aussieland, but the US Constitution makes it clear that the fed gov ensures the COMMON welfare ......not the welfare of only a select few. The US fed gov is NOT, and never was intended as, a charity!

Baron Max
 
"Another of what few sources of kindness are left in our nation has decided to turn their back on people in real need. I am crying as I type this."

Very dramatic. Did you read the part where they said that they are not stopping in their feeding of the poor, just who they are feeding the poor with?
 
well, I suppose I wouldn't want to be associated with the anti-gay bigots even if they were feeding the homeless. I suppose if the non-haters didn't want to work with the haters I would be more understanding because I agree with them.

well, actions speak louder than words, so I expect them to start feeding the homeless again.
 
Orleander said:
well, I suppose I wouldn't want to be associated with the anti-gay bigots even if they were feeding the homeless. ...
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They didn't ask you to join or associate with them, did they?

And I can't get it through my head why you (and others here) think that this group should feed anyone and everyone? If they choose to feed only the homeless who are, say, Catholic or Jewish or...., why should you try to force them to feed others?

If they choose not to feed gay homeless people, then isn't that they're perogative? What right do you have to judge them as you obviously have? I'm soooo curious.

Baron Max
 
I expect them to start feeding the homeless because that is what they said they would do, not because they are christians and that is what christians are supposed to do.
 
Orleander said:
I expect them to start feeding the homeless because that is what they said they would do, ....
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They are, Orleander, just not the homeless people that are gay. And surely you must know that there's lots more UN-gay homeless than gay homeless, rigth?

So you shiould be happy that they'r doing their part, and giving the people that feed gay homeless people a helping hand taking all those nasty UN-gay people off their hands.

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
They are, Orleander, just not the homeless people that are gay. ...
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:bugeye: what makes you think that? This has nothing to do with homeless gay people. It has to do with "I'm not working with people who think being gay isn't a sin"
who else will they lord their superiority over?
 
Orleander said:
.... It has to do with "I'm not working with people who think being gay isn't a sin"
who else will they lord their superiority over?
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"Lord their superiority...."????? They're just not working with the other groups, that's all. They didn't say that the others couldn't feed the gays or anything. They just pulled out of the organization/partnership/or whatever is was/is.

As I see it, YOU are the one "lording it over" others .....by trying to tell them what to do, how to do it, and who to do it with!

Tolerance, Orleander, is a wonderful thing. Try it some time. And, yes, Orleander, it means being tolerant of even those who are NOT tolerant.

Baron Max
 
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