Christians please explain the eating of pork

[786]

Sorry, 786. Not going to "stay out". I have all night. I'm on vacation.

You're a liar. You're not here to attempt to understand, you're here to preach your view to everybody else.

And, in your stupidity, you attempted to "reinterpret" the bible to suit your own means.

Where, specifically, in the bible does it say that Jesus was only talking about hand-washing and not about food in general?

~String

Did you not read the part where I said: FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT I WILL ACCEPT THIS INTERPRETATION! Other problems arise from this-... which is also exactly what I point out in the OP.. If you can't synthesize information then you really DO need to stay out.

Peace be unto you

 

[superstring01]

You are preaching. That's just what you're doing.

And the more you tell me to "stay out" the more I'm inspired to come back.

As I said, you're attempting to lecture another faith on their beliefs. As I said, Christianity bases it's beliefs not on laws but on (as they say) "grace". No food is unclean.

~String

 

[superstring01]

If you can't synthesize information then you really DO need to stay out.

You misused "synthesize", but that is another debate. Synthesis is the generating of new facts based upon previous ones. You, yourself, just stated that you want quotes, which would negate the SYNTHESIS I gave you, since you just called that "interpretation".

~String

 

[superstring01]

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "​

~String

 

[786]

You misused "synthesize", but that is another debate. Synthesis is the generating of new facts based upon previous ones.

Ya like what you quoted and the 'interpretation' you said Christians use CREATE a NEW problem, which I talk about in the OP... Ya I know- used the word incorrectly.

You, yourself, just stated that you want quotes, which would negate the SYNTHESIS I gave you, since you just called that "interpretation".

Ya, never mind the other 'synthesis' that results from it...I know its just too hard to think about all of this together.

Do yourself a favor and stay out for reals. You're just destroying any intellectual image you had on this forum. But if that motivates you to continue, be my guest I'll just report all of this to the mod- I'm done responding to stupidity.

Peace be unto you

 

[786]

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "​

~String

Vision occurred after death of Christ--- the PROBLEM arises way before. Read the OP.

Peace be unto you

 

[superstring01]

Ya like what you quoted and the 'interpretation' you said Christians use CREATE a NEW problem, which I talk about in the OP... Ya I know- used the word incorrectly.



Ya, never mind the other 'synthesis' that results from it...I know its just too hard to think about all of this together.

Do yourself a favor and stay out for reals. You're just destroying any intellectual image you had on this forum. But if that motivates you to continue, be my guest I'll just report all of this to the mod- I'm done responding to stupidity.

Peace be unto you

786, please understand, that your perception of my intellectual ability was never a worry for me. So, as I said, I'm not leaving. I'm enjoying myself. If it causes you to have a bad night or spout more nonsense, then I'm fine with that.

Another quote for you (notice, that you ignored my last quote):

Acts 15

New International Version (NIV)

Acts 15
The Council at Jerusalem
1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’—
18 things known from long ago.[c]

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” ​

So, let me ask you. On what basis do you "question" Christians about their faith?

~String

 

[superstring01]

I read the OP. Beyond trying to muddle through your religious bias, I gave you the only answers that existed in the Christian world while pointing out your hypocrisy.

As usual, you squeeled like a--er--stuck pig when questioned about your nonsense.

Again, on what grounds do you--a guy who worships a moon god--question other people's belief systems. If this were dialogue then you'd be doing a lot more "dialoguing".

~String

 

[superstring01]

The Levitical law was a law for a special holy nation to be set aside to see if they could follow a set of precepts reflecting the perfection of God, and was there as Paul says as a schoolmaster, to lead us to the doctrine of grace. If righteousness comes by the law, he wrote, then Christ is dead in vain. Only Christ, out of all the men who sought to keep the law, actually managed it in thought, word and deed, despite being subjected to all temptations that man is prone to. This level of holiness is inconceivable to anyone who was normally conceived. The heritage from Adam through the male line precludes any such righteousness by works as we have a flesh that is in bondage to sin. So the only claim to such a righteousness we can have is for that man Jesus to have died on our behalf and to have offered himself as propitiation on the basis of simple belief in Him, repentance and calling on Him for salvation.

The experiment that the human can achieve righteousness by the law was done by God with the Jews as the chosen nation. It failed. Christ was the answer.

Retreived from: http://huliganov.tv/2011/04/25/why-do-christians-eat-pork/

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[786]

Another quote for you (notice, that you ignored my last quote)

Notice I didn't And great quotes but NONE OF THEM eliminate the problem that results from th previous quote.

The problem, if you don't understand is:

Jesus legalizing a substance that was prohibited DURING his life, causing him to break the commandment, causing the curse of the law (OLD law) not to be lifted because 'all was NOT fulfilled'- ANYTHING that is part of the 'new law' is IRRELEVANT UNTIL the old law is fulfilled- since 'not a jot shall pass until all is fulfilled'- WORD OF JESUS.. NOT Disciples.

Resolve THIS issue- the issue is greater than just 'can you eat pork'- I hope you understand.

Peace be unto you

 

[superstring01]

Resolve THIS issue- the issue is greater than just 'can you eat pork'- I hope you understand.

I do understand. I was raised a Christian in a Christian school by very religious parents. What YOU don't understand is that (a) there may be no satisfactory answer and (b) the answer may not be what you think.

As Christianity declares, Mosaic law and the prophesy was fully fulfilled when Jesus perished on the cross. You can either accept that or not. If you're attempting to find perfect continuity in Christianity or some logic in an illogical religion: GOOD LUCK.

But, as I said, your cherry-picking of "pork" is itself demonstrable prejudice on your part. Muslims don't eat pork and, for various religious and cultural reasons, perceive pork to be beyond disgusting, unclean and utilize swine and its imagery as the basest insult. It's why Muslims are obsessed with the notion that people eat pork (which, is actually really quite yummy, especially bacon). What YOU aren't getting is (again) (a) you're question is based on the prejudiced nature of who you are and what you think about pork, (b) there is no good answer as Christianity, like all Abrahamic faiths, is a basket of hypocrisy, nonsense, half-truths, lies, immorality and utter stupidity.

You, a Muslim, should be well aware of this fact from your acquaintance with your own weird faith. People don't need to "make sense" of faith. They just have it because it fills a void inside their mind.

~String

 

[786]

k... i get you...

The reason I bring the pork issue is because its part of the Jewish faith but not Christian. Christians see Islam as fake anyways, but they give authenticity to the Jewish faith. THAT is why I bring it up. Not because I am against pork, but because I'm interested in how they resolve this issue because they do recognize the authenticity of the Jewish faith. But the issue arises because of Jesus himself, that is why it is interesting, nothing else.

I understand that there may be no answer- but that is why there are discussion threads.. perhaps some Christian here will try to reconcile this all- you never know.

Thanks for the contribution.

Peace be unto you

 

[Mind Over Matter]

Its actually very simple. We are not Jews and are not bound by the holiness code. If we were bound than not only abstaining from pork but abstaining from eating unclean animals and separating meat from milk products and celebrating Jewish festivals and subject yourself to circumsicion would also be be part of your life. You cant just keep kosher and not observe the rest of the law- they go hand in hand.

You'll never find someone who is Jewish say that Gentiles are bound by the code.The Holiness code is meant for the ''Chosen'' people alone. Gentiles are expected to adhere to the Noachide Laws .

 

[Mind Over Matter]

This is a classic example of Christians not looking at the context and understanding the wording out-of-context. And even if for the sake of argument I accept this out-of-context interpretation, it still creates multiple problems as I listed in my OP, one would be Jesus breaking the law by teaching this.

You know what Father says about eating Pork don't you.

Father says its not what you put in your mouth that will send you to hell! Its what comes out of your mouth that can send you to hell!!!

 

[786]

Its actually very simple. We are not Jews and are not bound by the holiness code. If we were bound than not only abstaining from pork but abstaining from eating unclean animals and separating meat from milk products and celebrating Jewish festivals and subject yourself to circumsicion would also be be part of your life. You cant just keep kosher and not observe the rest of the law- they go hand in hand.

You'll never find someone who is Jewish say that Gentiles are bound by the code.The Holiness code is meant for the ''Chosen'' people alone. Gentiles are expected to adhere to the Noachide Laws .

Okay I can accept this for modern Christians... The issue again is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against it by legalizing everything. Thus the law was not fulfilled. And according to Jesus you would do what HE commanded you to do- which was to follow the law of Moses- so even if the law was 'meant' to be for Jews- Jesus extended that to anyone who follows him- so you being a 'gentile' doesn't allow you to not follow what Jesus commanded.

Also the major issue that Jesus broke the commandment isn't resolved yet regardless if you can or cannot eat pork.

Btw how do you know you're a gentile and not part of the descendants of Jews who accepted Jesus?

Peace be unto you

 

[Mind Over Matter]

It's why Muslims are obsessed with the notion that people eat pork (which, is actually really quite yummy, especially bacon).

Does that mean I can continue to eat some of the delectable blood sausage, also know as blood pudding that I've always enjoyed?

 

[786]

You know what Father says about eating Pork don't you.

Father says its not what you put in your mouth that will send you to hell! Its what comes out of your mouth that can send you to hell!!!

Son (not Father)- secondly refer to my response to you in the first page.

Peace be unto you

 

[Mind Over Matter]

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "​

~String

We are under the New Covenant. In the New Testament, God unbound us from the Mosaic dietary laws. Read Acts 10:10-15
Act 10:10 - 15 And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth.
In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
But Peter said, "No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call common."
This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.

 

[Mind Over Matter]

So all I've got to share at this point in the discussion is...

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

Why the hell are you guys even here. And then some ppl wonder why there aren't many inter-theist discussions here.

Copying and pasting, or making your own screwed up points does not equal answering the question under the scope of discussion. Are you folks just that idiotic?

I know what you think about theists and religions- keep that crap to yourself, or open a thread of yourself...

For some reason you atheists can't stop trolling.

Peace be unto you

I am not trolling . Geeze . Not very friendly are we . You know who Melek Taus is ? Tell Me about him if you do . I need to know in a bad way .

O.K. Muslims got the same right . Yeah ! I am right about this . Have you read the Al-Aaid part 3 yet . I believe it is were Al-qaeda gets its directive . I could be wrong ? You tell Me ? Have you read it? Seems like the same . It says what ever the Muslim needs to do and all will be forgiven if it is the will of Most Gracious . Can you tell Me that name is used ? " Most Gracious " I find it odd that it is an M. G. not to much unlike My God in Christian doctrine. Hells Bells even the kids go around saying O.M.G. moment . What is up with that . Tell Me why the Muslim uses Most Gracious. Please . I will answer more Christain things for you . I am a fucking Saint dude . Ther topic of Mormons were brought up . Did you know the Lost Boys surround Me . Ever heard of them? Fundamental Mormons . They each got boat loads of wives . Yeah Did you know that ? Young Virgin wives . What you think about that ?
Anyway I am not trolling and if you can answer My questions I will give you Me blessing ! I will . You may not think it means much but you might be surprised . You know how it was when Jacob wrestled the Angel ?