Is it you'r opinion that the non-livin enviroment you speek of had a cause.???
Can Robots Make Ethical Decisions?
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Is it you'r opinion that the non-livin enviroment you speek of had a cause.???
I don't think so. I've thought about it both ways and have concluded that the non-living environment has always existed and has no first cause. l consider it natural that life is generated from the non-living environment through iteration and the natural physics of the universe never change, but remain invariant meaning that the non-living environment that has always existed has always had the nature to generate life, and so life has always existed too. It seems that life just starts up and springs from a hospitable non-living environment; iterations of chemestry and conditions.
What do you think?
Whatever the answr is i suspect its logical... an nether of the above (firs cause/always was) souns all that logical to me... i suspect the corect answr is about as knowable to "us" as an ameobia is likely to understan a newspaper :shrug:
Let's say you are right. Here we are thinking about things around us and we are clueless as to reality, but we both decide to assume that what ever reality is, we are not equipped to grasp it with our human equipment. Should we try to convince the world of that or should we just ignore all the petty thinking that is going on around us?
I see no end to speculaton in the near future... i hope to live long enuff that the petty thankin of humans finaly leads to self-programin computers which evolve to the pont of givin a mor logical asnwr to how we cam to be.!!!
Jean-PierreChatelain
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Machines will remain machines as long as we control their power source ... You ever seen your pc boot up without you switching it on?
Your points about the pitfalls of our thinking robots are valid IMHO, however you suggestion that quantum computers can overcome those pitfalls is not as clear. Give me a link that you like that describes quantum computing and that implies that quantum computers won't be subject to the same algorithm rewrites, function modifications, and equipment failures. In other words what makes you confident that even quantum computers could fit the bill?
Imposible question that is cause never a machine will GENERATE IMAGINATION to work ! ! !
kmguru
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Unless thers agreement on what "consciousness" is... it ant likely that people will agree on whether "machines" coud GENERATE IMAGINATION as humans do.!!!
Robots will NEVER make "ETHICAL" DECITIONS cause a Robot can compare ideas but it can
not IMAGINE cause it`s a machine and no more .It can compare but NO MUCH MORE so it
can"simulate"the inteligence but it can not replace the IMAGINE capacity of HUMANS ! ! !
..............................it`s very simple ! ! !
not IMAGINE cause it`s a machine and no more .It can compare but NO MUCH MORE so it
can"simulate"the inteligence but it can not replace the IMAGINE capacity of HUMANS ! ! !
..............................it`s very simple ! ! !
Origionaly posted by cluelusshusbund
Unless thers agreement on what "consciousness" is... it ant likely that people will agree on whether "machines" coud GENERATE IMAGINATION as humans do.!!!
Do you thank "consciousness" is biological.???
Do you thank "consciousness" is an entity which is seperate from the body.???
Unless thers agreement on what "consciousness" is... it ant likely that people will agree on whether "machines" coud GENERATE IMAGINATION as humans do.!!!
Do you thank "consciousness" is biological.???
Do you thank "consciousness" is an entity which is seperate from the body.???
historicfuture
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I can completely describe conciousness to you.
And answer the original posts question.
Yes, robots can make ethical decisions in the future, because humans are just very sophisticated beings that act according to a set of laws like any robot or thing in the universe. Because we don't fully understand all of these laws (we don't understand ourselves fully) most people have a tough time comprehending that we are robotic in behavior.
This can be proven however in a very simple logical breakdown.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. The energy that makes us up was once part of something else in the universe. It just rearranged itself more complexly and created us. That means it abides by the same underlying laws of the universe we were created out of. We are not transcended or special, no matter how much it hurts your ego, your emotion does not matter in science. You are just a more complicated replica of an insect or monkey in the sense that, they too are governed by the same laws that governs the behavior of even simpler components like water, or cells, or anything. Look at all the cells in the human body, yes you're going to get a complex result from something like a brain, but I'm so sick and tired of people believing that because they can't comprehend something yet that something mystical and fantastic is there. Like the 'god' in the heavens of the past or the 'human consciousness' that somehow transcends the universes robotic behavior.
And answer the original posts question.
Yes, robots can make ethical decisions in the future, because humans are just very sophisticated beings that act according to a set of laws like any robot or thing in the universe. Because we don't fully understand all of these laws (we don't understand ourselves fully) most people have a tough time comprehending that we are robotic in behavior.
This can be proven however in a very simple logical breakdown.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. The energy that makes us up was once part of something else in the universe. It just rearranged itself more complexly and created us. That means it abides by the same underlying laws of the universe we were created out of. We are not transcended or special, no matter how much it hurts your ego, your emotion does not matter in science. You are just a more complicated replica of an insect or monkey in the sense that, they too are governed by the same laws that governs the behavior of even simpler components like water, or cells, or anything. Look at all the cells in the human body, yes you're going to get a complex result from something like a brain, but I'm so sick and tired of people believing that because they can't comprehend something yet that something mystical and fantastic is there. Like the 'god' in the heavens of the past or the 'human consciousness' that somehow transcends the universes robotic behavior.
This post, while depressing for most, is exactly right. There is nothing "special" about humans, or even Life in general. We're all patterns of energy and information. Ethics has to do with making decisions based on consideration for both the individual AND the community, and robots will certainly be able to do this in the future.historicfuture said:
I'm not sure ethical considerations demand emotion. The nature of ethics and morals are deeply entrenched in philosophy, but I think you can boil down the good/evil debate (which is what ethics and morals rest upon) to what is "best for the community", which a robot should be able to calculate. If you think this is a squishy, subjective criteria I would agree and welcome you to the squishy, subjective debate.
Let me ask you this: can a person perform an unethical act if he were the last inhabitant on Earth?
Let me ask you this: can a person perform an unethical act if he were the last inhabitant on Earth?
I agree completely. One way to prove your point is to consider a organism* that has no emotions, yet act just in exactly the same way as an ethical person.
Also as I stated in prior post, if you can define what is ethical, then a machine can be programed to behave ethically simply by having its program always follow that definition.
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*Such an organism is called, in philosophical discussions a "Zombie," which has no relationship to the "walking dead" of Hatti.
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