Can God love?
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How many abortions has she had, while a devotee? Or is this a topic she and you don't talk about, in all your advancedness?
It's clear that you feel offended and angry if I don't think, feel and act in line with your expectations.
Clearly, you do expect things from me.
Oh really? Shall we go over all the warnings against picking and choosing and how offensive it is to God?
Yeah, I speak so "nastily" about theists and theism that several posters here regularly consider me a theist.
I mean, totally, like, yeah, I so "don't like theism or theists" that I consistenly and persistently argue in favor of them, such as here.
It has to do with God. Theists, as His official representatives (as they claim to be), are the ones I address, since God Himself won't show up.
Citizens against abuse in the name of God!
It's true.
What's funny about it?
Yeah, such as spreading the belief that everything that everyone who is not a member of their organization does, is wrong, unholy, demonic.
What was all that about drinking milk that was touched by a snake's tongue?
I have. Most require that I first join the organization they are part of. And only then might they have some time for me.
And the child then gets to decide whether you have realized God or not, right?
Pffft. Like you really believe that.
See, the example that you teach, and all the theists that I have known teach it, is that we do not all have the same essence.
You do not even remotely seem to me as someone who would believe he has the same essence as me.
Not as long as people who despise us have the say over whether we have proper discrimination or not.
You will need to provide scriptural support for this one.
True happiness can only be with God.
Non-theists are exempt from being with God.
Thus, non-theists have no chance for true happiness.
The analogy doesn't apply, because it is mundane.
wynn,
Inapropriate.
I've given up, nothing I say has any meaning to you.
You wynn.
Yes.
Which is all the more reason why I give up.
You wynn.
Really?
I like you wynn. I think you're smart. Definately smarter and more intelligent than the fundie atheists. But I don't have any more energy to keep going over the same old shit.
Explain yourself properly once and for all, without these emotional, seemingly baseless statements, and let's move on.
jan.
Inapropriate.
I've given up, nothing I say has any meaning to you.
You wynn.
Yes.
Yeah, I speak so "nastily" about theists and theism that several posters here regularly consider me a theist.
I mean, totally, like, yeah, I so "don't like theism or theists" that I consistenly and persistently argue in favor of them, such as here.
Which is all the more reason why I give up.
You wynn.
Really?
I like you wynn. I think you're smart. Definately smarter and more intelligent than the fundie atheists. But I don't have any more energy to keep going over the same old shit.
Explain yourself properly once and for all, without these emotional, seemingly baseless statements, and let's move on.
jan.
You wynn. You're all flee-ridden scumbags, with ever-so horrible sores spewing yellowy creamy puss.
There! Are you satisfied now.
jan.
um..All theist??
really?
apparently you forgot how many times i have said exactly that..
it is personal and subjective which is why there can be NO objective proof.
exactly.
God didn't set it up like that..man did.
Man created religion not God.
and for the record YOU have the same information available to you as theist do. there is no 'secret' book that only theist have access to.
which begs the question of how much authority do you give theist?
SOLIPSISM IS THE REFUGE OF MADMEN.
As it is, God is tolerating it. For some reason.
Prove it!
Find me a theist who doesn't get angry and who doesn't threaten to take offense if I don't instantly and completely subject myself to him or her.
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what does that have to do with anything?
you do have a bible correct?
If not, get one and read it your self...(a concordance version comes with Loads of historical notes)
yur talking to one..
Inappropriate? Inappropriate??
"Sanatana Dharma" is a patriarchal, misogynistic system. It is reasonable to expect its adherents to say one thing and do another, to gross extents.
Just like the Catholics. They say that sex is for conceving children. Yet the vast majority of Catholic women use some form of contraception and have abortions. It's an "open secret." They say contraceptives and abortions are wrong - but they use them anyway. Because the man must be pleased! The woman must subject herself to her husband!
Why would Hindu devotees be any different? Women are, after all, "less intelligent" and all that, so why care about them! Especially once they are old, or if they're not pretty!
How am I supposed to unconditionally and instantly trust someone for whom I don't know whether they actually walk the talk they preach?
I've explained myself. You simply and continually refuse to acknowledge my points.
which has nothing to do with your point of:
so i show you that i do not refuse to acknowledge,and in fact go on to admit that it IS personal.. then you divert against your own opinion..by saying it is solipsistic.
So is your opinion solipsistic?
you said:
"Find me a theist who doesn't get angry and threatens to take offense if I don't instantly and completely subject myself to him or her."
nowhere in your link qualifies as me being 'angry' 'taking offense' or 'expecting someone to be subjective to me..'
In fact the subject matter from me was addressing the other person who was taking offense because i disagreed with them. not me being offended or angry or whatever..
Do you remember when we talked about epistemic autonomy?
Projection. It's very offensive to project, you know?
I didn't "take offense because you disagreed with me." That is what you project into me, read into me.
You never asked me how I felt, or what I thought, you just jumped to conclusions, and then expected me to defend myself against them.
you said:
in comment to what I said:
me said:
You're underestimating the role of disagreement on important issues.
Because people who are not angry and not offended totally say things like -
i proved my point..
its not my fault you do not wanna hear.
its not my fault you do not wanna hear.
It's not your fault that I don't want to subject myself to you, yeah.
You turn spirituality into a power game, just like so many other things.
So typically theist.
For the record Wynn..you wanna catch me being angry..go look in the thread 'should we ban the religious forum' started by Epic...
I seriously just stepped in it..
I seriously just stepped in it..
That's not anger. Perhaps it is a mouse's anger.
Look. I generally have no mercy for theists or anyone who directly or indirectly claims to know the Absolute Truth.
I am that way deliberately.
Can you give me a good reason (or more) why I should change my approach?
Can you give me a good reason (or more) why I should change my approach and view theists as mere humans?
wynn,
No mercy?
What do you want me to say?
There is no reasoning to be done.
As you hold me in such low regard, I will pass on that offer if you don't mind.
jan.
No mercy?
What do you want me to say?
There is no reasoning to be done.
As you hold me in such low regard, I will pass on that offer if you don't mind.
jan.
So you continue to demand to be treated like royalty and to be given infinite credit?
You take nothing less?
And you continue to demand that I trust you, while you don't trust me?
Where did I say that I hold you in low regard?