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The propagandists are hard at work.We are not nuts. The nuts are those who believe kerosene can ever get hot enough to melt steel and demolish skyscrapers.
 
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Dr. dB said:
Dear roscogre,

“Andre” never claimed, "jet exhaust will melt most metals".
What was said was, "The AFTERBURNER FLAME can melt most metals."

As those “reheat” combustion temp.s can range from 1500-ish at initial ignition (a slight dip from the relatively-stable turbine exhaust temp as the first fuel “dumps” into the stream) to well over 2500F at full-bore, this statement is entirely correct.

The erroneous notion that anything more than the aircraft impacts and subsequent fires were needed to bring down the Twin Towers is not…

A massive “conspiracy” surrounding 9/11 did, indeed, exist, but it did NOT involve explosives, thermite, thermate, or any of the other “obvious demolition techniques” bandied-about by various lay people and fringe-element websites.

NONE OF THE ABOVE WAS REQUIRED!

Many of the sixty-plus elevator shafts above the halfway point of the structure made excellent twenty-foot-wide blowtorches, once 24,000 gallons of jet fuel was poured down them and ignited…

All it really took was decades of deliberate agitation of psychotic religious fanatics worldwide by our last three equally-psychotic Republican administrations, and for those self-styled “leaders” to turn a blind(ed) eye to known threats at crucial moments.

Although they didn’t know the exact form it would take, and certainly weren’t prepared for the sheer scope of the event, various “black-op.s” groups within the CIA, NSA, FBI and the whole alphabet-soup of our so-called “intelligence community” had been striving diligently (at the behest of and with the full blessing of those same Republican lunatics) for some such “watershed” attack since the day the Berlin Wall came down, in order to preserve their precious d@mn&d BUDGETS from the inevitable result of the “ramping-down” of the cold war. Since any reduction in said budgets was, in their paranoid, delusional “judgment”, “…a threat to national security!” (read: “…a threat to our job security!”), they felt they had to do whatever it took to create a nice, solid, permanent, implacable “enemy” at whom we could be brainwashed into throwing billions of tax dollars for decades into the foreseeable future.

This they achieved famously, if on a somewhat larger and more heinous scale than they anticipated.

Never mind that their money and employment were never in any REAL danger (China, Israel, Korea, Pakistan, etc. etc., etc., would always have kept them busy enough) - they HAD to have their way, and they most assuredly have done so…

Add-in the profit potential of a second, unnecessary Gulf War for the “Bush-Laden Oil’glomerate”, Haliburton, Blackwater and dozens of other “defense” contractors and filthy-rich (emphasis on “FILTHY”) Bush family campaign contributors, and you have the exact formula for “What Really Happened”, to commandeer the name of one of the loonier “See that puff of smoke? Obviously it was blown up with bombs!” websites.

“Dr. dB”
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Nice try traitor.Ad Hominem attacks,false staements and straw man arguements.
The elevators were separated in order to not spread fire.A fire cannot increase in temperatur,especially after having oxygen restricted.Most of what you say is absolutely false.There are mountains of evidence,but absolutely none for the government's ridiculous conspiracy theory about goatherders engineering the most technologically advanced false flag terrorattack in history.
Even the FBI said there is no evidence to connect Bin Laden to 9/11 yet every news channel announced he did it before the last plane hit the ground.
Pre-scripted propaganda! Wake up people!
 
The pathetic 9/11 conspiracy has been debunked over and over in this forum. Every one of roscogre's claims has been addressed repeatedly and shown for what they are. May as well lock this and send it to the cesspool.
 
roscogre said:
The propagandists are hard at work.We are not nuts. The nuts are those who believe kerosene can ever get hot enough to melt steel and demolish skyscrapers.
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Is anyone claiming that the steel melted? Steel will begin to soften and lose its structural strength long before it actually liquefies. As I recall it begins to soften significantly at like 400-500 C, which would probably be well within the temperature range of a kerosene fire.
 
The whole reawson there are those theories sprouted out of the idea that arabs are too stupid/ too incompetant to pilot a plane into a building, which i find outright rascist and idiotic.

The terrorists that took over the plane had recorded phone calls from bin ladin. And if it were a conspiracy, explain the plane that crashed....
 
roscogre said:
Nice try traitor.Ad Hominem attacks,false staements and straw man arguements.
The elevators were separated in order to not spread fire.A fire cannot increase in temperatur,especially after having oxygen restricted.Most of what you say is absolutely false.There are mountains of evidence,but absolutely none for the government's ridiculous conspiracy theory about goatherders engineering the most technologically advanced false flag terrorattack in history.
Even the FBI said there is no evidence to connect Bin Laden to 9/11 yet every news channel announced he did it before the last plane hit the ground.
Pre-scripted propaganda! Wake up people!
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Because Bin ladin released a video saying he did it.

Because phone calls from bin ladin to the terrorists that did it was recorded.

You see here is my point about the whole theories coming out of the rascist ideas that arabs are stupid, slow, goatherders, thats not the case and anyone that honestly tries to spread that idea is scum.
 
Nasor said:
Is anyone claiming that the steel melted? Steel will begin to soften and lose its structural strength long before it actually liquefies. As I recall it begins to soften significantly at like 400-500 C, which would probably be well within the temperature range of a kerosene fire.
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Yes Over 20 witnessess including Paul Tully,owner of Tully construction and Mark Loizioux,owner of Controlled Demolition incorporated saw the pools of molten steel in the basement.And in fact you can see it yourself,in videos of the firemen digging in the pile.
 
fedr808 said:
The whole reawson there are those theories sprouted out of the idea that arabs are too stupid/ too incompetant to pilot a plane into a building, which i find outright rascist and idiotic.

The terrorists that took over the plane had recorded phone calls from bin ladin. And if it were a conspiracy, explain the plane that crashed....
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Not to stupid,but not able to get security clearance from Marvin Bush's security company in order to plant explosives and thermite.
More straw man.
In fact there is not a single piece of convincing evidence of a plane crash anywhere,except for provably manufactured videos.
Watch September Clues.
 
fedr808 said:
The whole reawson there are those theories sprouted out of the idea that arabs are too stupid/ too incompetant to pilot a plane into a building, which i find outright rascist and idiotic.

The terrorists that took over the plane had recorded phone calls from bin ladin. And if it were a conspiracy, explain the plane that crashed....
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And the video of Bin Laden is also a very bad fake.Even FBI said there is no evidence connecting Bin Laden,a known CIA asset,to the attacks.
 
Actually... yes

I wouldn't say that people standing in the openings is sufficient evidence for there not being extreme temperatures present in the building... After all, those were large buildings; although unlikely, the outer edges could have been the only places cool enough to stand. What I know for sure is that I would have to be facing imminent death in order to throw myself out of a 100-story window.

That being said, just take a look at the videos that clearly show molten metal pouring out of the side of the building.

I'm willing to bet that you could hold a kerosene blow torch to a hunk of that structural steel for hours without it even losing 25% of its strength, let alone having it turn into a pool of molten metal. I'd perform my own tests if I had the equipment.

Things like this that anyone can see, and the explanations of which are blatantly avoided by the "experts," are what cause conspiracy theories to arise.

I'm no nut, but I know it takes more than a day to set up a controlled demolition of a large building, especially one in the middle of a city. It would be interesting to know how building 7 was set to be demolished (or "pull[ed]" as was stated on video) in mere hours. They ADMITTED it was demolished. How so quickly? :confused:

If there was nothing to hide, these questions would be answered, and the videos showing the "plane" striking the Pentagon would be released. There's no reason to hide those videos from the public. If there's nothing to hide, why not just release them to confirm the official story? Why are we expected to believe everything we're told? I'm a physicist, by the way.
 
Nasor said:
Is anyone claiming that the steel melted? Steel will begin to soften and lose its structural strength long before it actually liquefies. As I recall it begins to soften significantly at like 400-500 C, which would probably be well within the temperature range of a kerosene fire.
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Actually, it did melt. There are videos showing it pouring out of the building before it collapsed. =[
 
mobalance said:
I wouldn't say that people standing in the openings is sufficient evidence for there not being extreme temperatures present in the building... After all, those were large buildings; although unlikely, the outer edges could have been the only places cool enough to stand. What I know for sure is that I would have to be facing imminent death in order to throw myself out of a 100-story window.

That being said, just take a look at the videos that clearly show molten metal pouring out of the side of the building.
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It appears to be a molten material. It isn’t necessarily molten steel.

mobalance said:
I'm willing to bet that you could hold a kerosene blow torch to a hunk of that structural steel for hours without it even losing 25% of its strength, let alone having it turn into a pool of molten metal. I'd perform my own tests if I had the equipment.
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It has been demonstrated that an office fire can reach a temperature that causes steel to soften and buckle. Read up on the Cardington tests.


mobalance said:
Things like this that anyone can see, and the explanations of which are blatantly avoided by the "experts," are what cause conspiracy theories to arise.

I'm no nut, but I know it takes more than a day to set up a controlled demolition of a large building, especially one in the middle of a city. It would be interesting to know how building 7 was set to be demolished (or "pull[ed]" as was stated on video) in mere hours. They ADMITTED it was demolished. How so quickly?
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No one admitted it was demolished. If you actually read the quote from Silverstein it only makes sense if he is talking about pulling men out, which is entirely consistent with what happened. The conspiracy theorists ignore the entire quote to focus on one word.


mobalance said:
If there was nothing to hide, these questions would be answered, and the videos showing the "plane" striking the Pentagon would be released.
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They have released a video showing a blurry, plane sized object about to hit and the subsequent explosion. Perhaps there is no clearer video than that. Perhaps they don’t want another iconic highlight reel to get out.

It makes no difference, there is footage of two planes hitting the WTC, has that ended the conspiracy? Nope.


mobalance said:
There's no reason to hide those videos from the public. If there's nothing to hide, why not just release them to confirm the official story? Why are we expected to believe everything we're told? I'm a physicist, by the way.
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That’s good but you need to watch more than a few youtube videos to get the whole story.
 
roscogre said:
Yes Over 20 witnessess including Paul Tully,owner of Tully construction and Mark Loizioux,owner of Controlled Demolition incorporated saw the pools of molten steel in the basement.And in fact you can see it yourself,in videos of the firemen digging in the pile.
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Oh really? Show me this video of molten steel.
 
Yes Over 20 witnessess including Paul Tully,owner of Tully construction and Mark Loizioux,owner of Controlled Demolition incorporated saw the pools of molten steel in the basement.
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The collapse of the building heated air and metal in the lower levels to very high temps. That alone - without any high temp flammables in the structure or any other factors -would explain anything melted or burned.

At this stage of things, probably any thread connecting the temperature of steel melting to any aspect of 9/11 can be safely cesspooled.
 
Andre said:
There is a wide range of possible temperatures depending on a lot of variables like gas density, mixture, flows, etc. The exhaust temperatures of the jets that I used to fly ranged from some 400 in min power to 1080C The afterburner flame can melt most metals.
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Aren't afterburners limited to fighter jets and the Concord?

What kinds of jets were you flying exactly? :D
 
Regaurdless of how..which in my eyes at this time, either could have done it...
im not an expert..and some facts despite my efforts elude me,however..

THE MOTIVES of such individuals to orchestrate such things is clear.IT Was delibrately done or let happen. It was for money for which they will now derive power..of which many entitys and individuals have/had a stake in, and power is what their after. This is the main point that evryone needs to understand...Money is nothing to them..they have all the money they need..their after power. They want to controll evry facit of your life.. and in copenhagen right now the worlds future is being decided.

this movie is not about 9/11..it is about the economic crysis, and about the decit of president obama, and about the false claim of MAN MADE global warming.
This is thier end game..total global enslavment throught the IMF (International Monetary Fund) or world bank if you perfer.

its is a 2 hour film prduced and written by Alex jones, its his latest work called
" Fall of The Republuic- the presidency of barack obama"


its on youtube just put this in the search

Fall of the Republic HQ full length version
 
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