Breast Feeding Juror

Once again, why should she have to leave to feed it?

Once again the law in the US states that an employer must allow the employee to bring a child into work and breast feed it at the workplace

Once again federal law states catigorically that a women may breast feed in ANY federal building whereever she likes

Once again if the judge was breast feeding they would have an apsolute right to feed her child at the bench or anywhere else

Once again if she wants to leave to feed the child why is that any different from the alowences already made for a women who is feeding a child to express milk
 
because its a distraction. duh. Perfect excuse for a mistrial. Her rights don't trump the rights of the defendant trying to prove his innocence.

really, what about having an interpriter for a blind or deaf jurier because thats already the way things are done in the US?

what about the fact that a women would have an apsolute right to feed her child in the public gallery? The judge has a right to feed her child, the lawyers, the defendent herself (if shes not in custody, not sure about custodial rules in the US in that case)
 
and what about the right of the defendant to get a fair trial? Would it be fair to have to continually stop the trial so this woman could get her kid to feed it? Or is she supposed to hold the child the entire trial? Is that distraction fair to the defendant?

Can you please think outside your stubbornly dug in position and see it from another view point? The view point of the person trying to prove their innocence.
 
Maybe if i go slowly for you you will get it

THEY
ALREADY
BUILD
IN
BREAKS
SO
WOMEN
CAN
GO
AND
EXPRESS
MILK
FOR
THERE
CHILD


is that simple enough for you to understand?

and BTW, what is wrong with having breaks anyway, i would think people would have trouble concentrating past about an hour without a couple of min break anyway. An "Academiac hour" is 50 min at australian universities because people have trouble concentrating longer than that and if i miss something at uni im more than likly going to be able to pick it again so someones life doesnt IMMIDIATLY relie on me rembering what was said in class (we work under direction oviously).
 
Maybe if i go slowly for you you will get it

THEY
ALREADY
BUILD
IN
BREAKS
SO
WOMEN
CAN
GO
AND
EXPRESS
MILK
FOR
THERE
CHILD


is that simple enough for you to understand?

and BTW, what is wrong with having breaks anyway, i would think people would have trouble concentrating past about an hour without a couple of min break anyway. An "Academiac hour" is 50 min at australian universities because people have trouble concentrating longer than that and if i miss something at uni im more than likly going to be able to pick it again so someones life doesnt IMMIDIATLY relie on me rembering what was said in class (we work under direction oviously).

NOT DURING COURT, especially for a juror
 
NOT DURING COURT, especially for a juror

Breastfeeding & Jury Duty - My Experience
by Jeni Panhorst
Reprinted with permission from the author.
August 25, 2004


I recently completed a week of jury duty service (8/16-20/04) while breastfeeding, and I wanted to share my experience, in case it may help others dealing with the same situation in the future. My daughter, Juliana, was born 5/29/04, and I'm still on maternity leave (as yet undecided as to whether I'm going back to work). I've been pumping periodically since she was about a month old, to build up a supply of milk for when I leave the house by myself (to run errands, work out at the gym, etc.), but I'd only ever pumped at home, and not on any sort of regular schedule.

...

Arizona law actually does have a provision for sole providers of a child (I forget the maximum age) to be excused from jury duty. However, I didn't feel right acting on that provision, because it wasn't impossible for me to arrange alternate child care. My husband works from home much of the time, and my in-laws are retired and live only an hour's drive away.

Plus, as cliche as it may sound, I do feel it is important for everyone to "do their civic duty", whether that means voting, answering juror summons, etc. After sitting through jury selection last time around and seeing all the TOTALLY LAME excuses people came up with to get out of serving (in front of a judge, after they had taken an oath to tell the truth, no less), I was completely disgusted, and I swore to myself that I would always try to find a way to serve, if called. Of course, at the time, I never imagined that I would have to stick to that promise 2.5 months after giving birth to my first child, while breastfeeding. But I digress... ;)

After receiving the summons, I called the juror helpline and asked if I would be permitted breaks and a location to pump during the first day, the day of juror selection. She immediately informed me that there were mother's rooms in the courthouse, and that finding time to pump would be no problem. Having been through the juror selection process before, I knew that, once I entered the courtroom, I would have an opportunity to explain my unique situation to the judge, which I planned to do.

I arrived downtown bright and early Monday morning for juror orientation. When it came time to pump, I marched up to the desk and asked to be escorted to the mother's room. I was led to (no joke) the copy room of the juror administrator's office, the door to which had NO LOCK, but a sign that read, "Nursing Mother. Do Not Enter." It was laughable, but I sat my butt right down in the little rolling desk chair (the only chair in the room) and pumped away. Fortunately, everyone in the office heeded the sign, and I had no interruptions.

Soon after I finished pumping, I was selected for a pool of 50 prospective jurors and led to a courtroom. Being prospective juror #11 of this group, with no blatantly offensive aspects of my personality or history that would make me a "dangerous" juror, I knew I had a pretty good chance of being selected. But, when asked by the judge if anyone had any extenuating circumstances, I stood up in front of the entire courtroom and explained that I was exclusively breastfeeding my 2.5 month old daughter, and if selected as a juror, I would require 2-3 breaks of at least 20 minutes to pump. The judge immediately assured me that was already built into the court's schedule, and I thanked him and sat down. At lunch, I pumped in the copy room again, and after lunch, I learned that I was selected for the jury, on a trial expected to last through the week.

Tuesday through Friday of that week, I was at the courthouse 10:30 through 3 or 4, depending on how many witnesses there were. At lunch, I pumped in the empty juror room (while everyone else was at lunch), and during the afternoon recess, I pumped in the bailiff's office (which, conveniently, had a sink and a very comfy chair). Throughout the week, from my fellow jurors, I got some questionable comments -- like the middle-aged woman who asked me how I could breastfeed because my breasts were so small (and yes, she did this in front of all the other jurors... by the way, since when is a C-cup small?) -- and some very encouraging remarks -- several of the women and men acknowledged that I was doing the "right thing" and applauded me for taking the extra trouble to take good care of my baby.

As I mentioned before, it was my first experience pumping out of the house, and Juliana's first experience drinking from a bottle all day (as opposed to just one bottle here and there). Each day, I managed to pump at least as much as Juliana ate from bottles while I was gone, and we did our best to nurse frequently and at length during the mornings before I left and the evenings before bedtime. It was stressful at times, but all in all, I not only consider the week a success, but also a good trial run for returning to work (IF I return to work).

LLL's web site has a page on jury duty (http://www.lalecheleague.org/Law/Bills6.html), and it very clearly focuses on ways to GET OUT OF jury duty while breastfeeding. I hope that this story demonstrates that there is a way to do your civic duty and, at the same time, do the best you can for your baby by breastfeeding. Granted, it requires pumping (or having someone bring your child to the courthouse) and access to alternative childcare, but if those obstacles can be overcome, it can be a success.

In conclusion, I'd like to mention one of the best parts of this experience: I was/am on the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) portion of my maternity leave. My husband suggested that, since FMLA is a government-granted "right", and through jury duty, the government was essentially taking a week of that away from me, that I should ask whether my employer would extend my maternity leave accordingly. I inquired with the leave management contractor, and they conferred with my employer's legal department, and voila! -- my maternity leave was extended by one week, the amount of time I served on jury duty. I'm not certain that request would work for any employer, nor do I know whether there is any provision built into FMLA to account for this, but I was certainly glad I asked! :)

Thanks for reading!



Copyright © 2002 by Jeni Panhorst. No portion of this text may be copied or reproduced in any manner, electronically or otherwise, without the express written permission of the author.
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/normal/my-jury-duty.html

I found another one before but i cant rember where the link was
 
once again, you have people who are deaf and blind allowed to (infact encoraged to) serve

But that's not relevant.

and as (by law) employers are required to make alowences for breast feeding,

The court is not the juror's employer, so that's not relevant.

there for a judge would be allowed to have her child breast feed.

You cannot have a baby in court, so the juror is going to have to excuse themselves when it's time for a feed. Court timings are not set in stone, so this could mean a cross examination is stopped in mid flow, and this would distract the jurors from their vital role of objectively weighing evidence. It would be unfair if the evidence from one side were interrupted, if the other sides were not, for example.

Can you simply not see how interrupting the proceedings is not a good idea? Or do you have some rose tinted idea of a mother popping a tit out and feeding her child while the court is in progress? Jesus, you are naive if you are proposing the latter.
 
If you can forfill the basic requirements of a jurier (ie you have the mental capacity to do the job) then you should be alowed to.

Aparently deaf and blind people can serve quite adequately in the US on [COLOR=Blue""]juries[/COLOR] so why shouldnt mothers be allowed to serve.
i'm sorry but deaf and/or blind will not serve on a jury in my courtroom.
the deaf cannot hear the testimony.
the blind cannot pick up on body language.
i suppose if either of the above was black i'm positive i would be accused of being "racist".
breast feeding mothers would also not be allowed to sit on a jury in my courtroom because of the distraction, not because i'm "sexist" or "anti child".
Concidering the laws (in the US) which protect a childs right to be breastfeed in the workplace and the mothers right to work i cant see how this could possibly even be LEGAL in the US. If a judge was breastfeeding they would have the right to continue to work and breastfeed so why shouldnt a jurier
i wouldn't allow breastfeeding mothers in the workplace.
on second thought yes i would but you would do it on YOUR time not mine.
keep taking time off and i will fire you.
 
, not because i'm "sexist" or "anti child".

i wouldn't allow breastfeeding mothers in the workplace.
on second thought yes i would but you would do it on YOUR time not mine.
keep taking time off and i will fire you.

Yes actually you are, and it would actually be great if you could be my partners boss when shes breast feeding because we could live on the antidiscrimination settlement (not to mention the unfair dismissal one) for years
 
Yes actually you are, and it would actually be great if you could be my partners boss when shes breast feeding because we could live on the antidiscrimination settlement (not to mention the unfair dismissal one) for years

In the U.S., to serve on a jury is an obligation not a right. A fair and impartial jury is a defendant's right not obligation.

No one has a right to judge others. They are selected by the lawyers and judge to protect the rights of the defendant and the community.

Generally people who really like and want to be on a jury are excused as it suggests some bias, which may or may not have anything to do with the issues involved.
 
Yes actually you are, . . .
i hate to say this but you remind me of one of those people that would play the race card to get out of paying a speedig ticket.
"oh but your honor i'm soooooo black" :rolleyes:
(not to mention the unfair dismissal one)
firing someone because they missed too much work is unfair????

i can't believe you would be willing to stand behind such crap asguard.
there are other options available to mothers you know.
 
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firing someone because they missed too much work is unfair????

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There are laws in place that prevent firing someone due to having a child or being seriously ill.
there are other options available to mothers you know.
In the kitchen I suppose?
 
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firing someone because they missed too much work is unfair????


There are laws in place that prevent firing someone due to having a child or being seriously ill.

In the kitchen I suppose?
yeah, in the kitchen.
go away noob.
actually i was thinking more along the lines of A BREAST PUMP.

asguard:
i was thinking about "the deaf" sitting on a jury.
any testimony he gets would be typed by someone else, this in US law is hearsay and therefor inadmissible.
this wouldn't apply because what he would read is the court record.
interesting yes?
 
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There are laws in place that prevent firing someone due to having a child or being seriously ill.

While this is true in California, there are limits beyond which employment is no longer protected. There is a stage within which sick and/or maternity leave would apply. Note, paid leave is not a legal requirement for all employers.

And there will always come a time after which an employee's ability to perform becomes the controlling factor. Generally there is a more liberal policy in the public sector than there is in the private sector. I for a time worked for a major national employer, who will remain unnamed, where though there was an allowance for both sick and vacation time, there was no paid sick or vacation leave at all. You got paid when you work.

And if you failed to work for any extended period of time your job was in jeopardy.
 
[sarcasm]
I think bus drivers and airline pilots should be allowed to breast feed their babies on the job.
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The fact remains that an impaneled citizen onto a jury is a member of the court appointed to perform a particular task. Breastfeeding, milk let-down, and expressing one's milk is a distraction to that very serious task.

Not to draw too close a parallel here, but the involuntary functions involving milk let-down and/or the need to express it is akin (in only the involuntary aspects) to impaneling a juror suffering from diarrhea. (So, go ahead and crucify me for making this parallel.)

Besides, only jurors are allowed to sit in the jury box.
 
i'm sorry but deaf and/or blind will not serve on a jury in my courtroom.
the deaf cannot hear the testimony.....

My deaf Mom asks to be excused from duty because she is afraid she will miss some testimony. Even though she is an excellent lip reader and now has a cochlear implant, she wants to make absolutely sure of her decision.
The defendants rights come first.

Asgard, it might be a life and death decision and the defendants rights come before the nursing mom's.
 
This is ridiculous, she was excused. If she wasn't excused, she might have been angry too, but the judge gets to control their own courtroom. You can't have a trial with a little baby there.
 
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