Black Americans should be pissed!
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Certainly there a lot of Whites who are also suffering, but the proportionality does not reflect the racial makeup of the nation. I also do blame the black community for a lot of the problems they suffer, and the hardships in elevating themselves above their current dilemma. The historical perspective however must not be missed or dismissed.
And yes you are right, the movement to better, just like any movement of worthy cause, does not involve the majority of the blacks. Besides, I feel like a lot are disillusioned by what happened with their efforts during the civil rights era.
And yes you are right, the movement to better, just like any movement of worthy cause, does not involve the majority of the blacks. Besides, I feel like a lot are disillusioned by what happened with their efforts during the civil rights era.
The average Black American has a far better quality of life than the Average
Black African (consequently the seller of 'slaves' was typically Africa back
in the day).
Black African (consequently the seller of 'slaves' was typically Africa back
in the day).
And Europeans didn't venture deep in the mainland. The kings of the coastal tribes hunted for black slaves themselves and then sold them to European traders for weapons, drinks and glass. Maybe black americans should ask for some moral compensation from the Ivory Coast Republic, etc.
Yes, I think that Black Africans were wrong to sell their brethen or conquered as slaves to the Europeans, but then their concept of slavery was different. And Avatar, you are incorrect in your assertion. The Whites did penetrate the mainland after they fortified the beaches, and they hunted for slaves themlseves. Besides, a lot of the problems the Black Americans face are due to what happened after they were "freed".
What I hate about modern age, is this idea that if some group suffered ages ago from oppression by another group, the ex-oppressor is somehow obligated to pat on the head the ex-abused group.
For that reason, I am very against the affermative action in US. Not because of the benefits it brings to African Americans, but because African Americans are selected for jobs and places in college over whites only because of their race (if I need to explain, tell). Another thing I observed, is this growing insolence among African Americans and the way they abuse whites every time they get a chance. Those stories about white people getting beat up in black neighborhoods are a bit too frequent.
For that reason, I am very against the affermative action in US. Not because of the benefits it brings to African Americans, but because African Americans are selected for jobs and places in college over whites only because of their race (if I need to explain, tell). Another thing I observed, is this growing insolence among African Americans and the way they abuse whites every time they get a chance. Those stories about white people getting beat up in black neighborhoods are a bit too frequent.
Their slavery was better than that of European one? LMAO! A slave is a slave.
I didn't put my response in a timescale. Of course it was at first, and it were the Africans who sold slaves to Europeans and that is what matters. Europeans simply took over the business.
Ah, they should be enslaved again?
Since when is this history forgotten?
It and the holocaust are clearly the most remembered histories in history. I'm getting sick of hearing about them, especially considering the fact that they don't stand out as particularly "horrible" in the big scheme of things.
And why should todays black americans be pissed? What the fuck does it have to do with them? What if I have an ancestor in my family tree who was convicted for a crime he didn't committ or whatever? Is this my ticket to have an excuse for being pissed off at the world?
This mindset makes no sense.
I know its been said before by lesser people but its true, black americans of today should be glad slavery happened, or they wouldn't be in america. Thats the only bearing it had on their lives. If some black americans wish they were in africa then fair enough, they reserve the right to be slightly piffed because now they need to buy a plane ticket.
Other than that, they've got nothing to whine about.
Any individual black person that is being legitimately racially discriminated against is a different matter and they have a right to be pissed at the individuals discriminating against them. Lets not push it beyond that though.
It and the holocaust are clearly the most remembered histories in history. I'm getting sick of hearing about them, especially considering the fact that they don't stand out as particularly "horrible" in the big scheme of things.
And why should todays black americans be pissed? What the fuck does it have to do with them? What if I have an ancestor in my family tree who was convicted for a crime he didn't committ or whatever? Is this my ticket to have an excuse for being pissed off at the world?
This mindset makes no sense.
I know its been said before by lesser people but its true, black americans of today should be glad slavery happened, or they wouldn't be in america. Thats the only bearing it had on their lives. If some black americans wish they were in africa then fair enough, they reserve the right to be slightly piffed because now they need to buy a plane ticket.
Other than that, they've got nothing to whine about.
Any individual black person that is being legitimately racially discriminated against is a different matter and they have a right to be pissed at the individuals discriminating against them. Lets not push it beyond that though.
OverTheStars
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thefountainhed Shit fetish,
“ Originally Posted by OverTheStars
I really don't give a shit. ”
Then why fucking bother?
Please, take your time reading people's posts, so you wont mistake what their meaning behind it is. I DO NOT give a shit about how blacks are doing, or any race. All I care about, is myself, and how I will survive in this world and make sure my future offspring survive. I DO care about stopping idiots from spewing unecessary (and half untrue) history lectures supporting blacks and the idea "It's ok for them to be pissed, really, us people who never had any part of slavery must bend down on our knees to the black people who never had a part of slavery."
thefountainhed:“ The black children have even a better chance then their parents did. ”
Well shit me. Didn't their parents have to suffer worse discrimination? How is this an argument? The White kids' parants had a far better chance, and said kids now have a better chance.
They do. When the black children are all grown up, they will not be denied homes and jobs they deserve. As long as they study and work hard, they can do it. Aren't there laws against work and school discrimination?
thefountainhed: Blacks even have BET(Black Entertainment Television). Rap rules MTV. What if whites made White Entertainment? ”
Rap dominates on MTV because the younger generation prefers rap music. And there do exist white channels-- the rest of the channels are white. CMT is white TV. CBS is white tv, etc
Why should music aired on Black Entertainment be aired on a COUNTRY MUSIC channel? Also, you don't see CMT calling themselves,"White Entertainment." Why can't BET dub themselves,"Rap Music Television," or "R&B Televison?"
thefountainhed:
“ They were in the past and still are today treated worse than blacks. ”
They were killed. The blacks were enslaved. They both suffered. This is a bloody thread about the black experience, should I mention every other group throughout history that has suffered?
Native Americans were also enslaved. You should know that.
thefountainhed:
Really? I could've sworn that when MTV was first created, no black musicians were allowed on it. BET is owned by a white man. BET airs hiphop, r&b music, and it plays Eminem who is White. Most of the music videos played on BET's Rap City get no airplay on VH1, CMT, MTV or the numerous radio stations that dominate America.
The founder and chief executive of BET is Robert L. Johnson. He is black. You can't fool us.
Also, Mtv aired on television in 1981. Michael Jackson's hit song,"Thriller," was aired in 1983. Either Mtv banned blacks and thought it was a bad idea, so stopped right away...within 2 or 3 years, or you are trying to fool us again.
thefountainhed:
“ Just please, why wont people like you just shutup? ”
You, spewing the moronic, should shut the fuck up.
You, spewing the lies, should shut the fuck up.
thefountainhed:What the hell are you talking about? One can trace racism and racial prejudice against the Black American to stereotypes that were birthed from slavery. And if you have these so called references to back up your nonsense, post them, else shutup.
Like I said at the beginning of this reply, read and comprehend. What I said was that it is pretty sad and horrible that blacks aren't even able to trace back their ancestors, their tribes in Africa.
“ Originally Posted by OverTheStars
I really don't give a shit. ”
Then why fucking bother?
Please, take your time reading people's posts, so you wont mistake what their meaning behind it is. I DO NOT give a shit about how blacks are doing, or any race. All I care about, is myself, and how I will survive in this world and make sure my future offspring survive. I DO care about stopping idiots from spewing unecessary (and half untrue) history lectures supporting blacks and the idea "It's ok for them to be pissed, really, us people who never had any part of slavery must bend down on our knees to the black people who never had a part of slavery."
thefountainhed:“ The black children have even a better chance then their parents did. ”
Well shit me. Didn't their parents have to suffer worse discrimination? How is this an argument? The White kids' parants had a far better chance, and said kids now have a better chance.
They do. When the black children are all grown up, they will not be denied homes and jobs they deserve. As long as they study and work hard, they can do it. Aren't there laws against work and school discrimination?
thefountainhed: Blacks even have BET(Black Entertainment Television). Rap rules MTV. What if whites made White Entertainment? ”
Rap dominates on MTV because the younger generation prefers rap music. And there do exist white channels-- the rest of the channels are white. CMT is white TV. CBS is white tv, etc
Why should music aired on Black Entertainment be aired on a COUNTRY MUSIC channel? Also, you don't see CMT calling themselves,"White Entertainment." Why can't BET dub themselves,"Rap Music Television," or "R&B Televison?"
thefountainhed:
“ They were in the past and still are today treated worse than blacks. ”
They were killed. The blacks were enslaved. They both suffered. This is a bloody thread about the black experience, should I mention every other group throughout history that has suffered?
Native Americans were also enslaved. You should know that.
thefountainhed:
Really? I could've sworn that when MTV was first created, no black musicians were allowed on it. BET is owned by a white man. BET airs hiphop, r&b music, and it plays Eminem who is White. Most of the music videos played on BET's Rap City get no airplay on VH1, CMT, MTV or the numerous radio stations that dominate America.
The founder and chief executive of BET is Robert L. Johnson. He is black. You can't fool us.
Also, Mtv aired on television in 1981. Michael Jackson's hit song,"Thriller," was aired in 1983. Either Mtv banned blacks and thought it was a bad idea, so stopped right away...within 2 or 3 years, or you are trying to fool us again.
thefountainhed:
“ Just please, why wont people like you just shutup? ”
You, spewing the moronic, should shut the fuck up.
You, spewing the lies, should shut the fuck up.
thefountainhed:What the hell are you talking about? One can trace racism and racial prejudice against the Black American to stereotypes that were birthed from slavery. And if you have these so called references to back up your nonsense, post them, else shutup.
Like I said at the beginning of this reply, read and comprehend. What I said was that it is pretty sad and horrible that blacks aren't even able to trace back their ancestors, their tribes in Africa.
OverTheStars
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One more thing: I'm confused on how to quote people's posts. Can someone explain to me? I've tried once and it didn't work too well...
And what happened with the mtv banning blacks? I really don't know what happened Someone willing to give me a quick history lesson about it?
And what happened with the mtv banning blacks? I really don't know what happened Someone willing to give me a quick history lesson about it?
Who is saying they should be obligated? And again here is another person framing the plight of the black america only under the umbrella of slavery. What has happened since slavery has been in some regards, worse. And I do think that being citizens of the country yet hindered by certain social constructs, certain steps be taken to alleviate their situation-- the black americans, that is.
I think that in the consequence of a tie between qualified students, the black american be given the nod. One cannot simply ignore the social construct that is race as being of no importance in the success or failure of an individual in this nation, especially minorities in poverty stricken areas.
"Insolence", eh? heh.
Do not make illogical statements. Racial crimes have always been far more frequent against the blacks of this nation.
Do not make silly statements without knowledge. The concept of a slave in Africa lacked the violence or the psychological abuse. It did not translate over generations. The slave was not barred from owning property nor was their ethnicity somehow important. A slave could also buy their freedom.
No, Europeans did not "simply take over the business". Again the notion of the slave was different, and perhaps more important, the scale was exponentially higher. And upon penetrating the mainland, the Europeans would lay to waste whole villages, etc and take the peoples as slaves.
Yea, that's it.
Lou Natic:
No the transatlantic slave trade is not one of the most remembered "histories in history". Even now as this discussion goes on, certain individuals are advocating the removal of slavery from the history books used in schools in America. It should no longer be compulsory reading they say.
Really? How so?
The notion that slavery and its aftermaths have no impact on current African Americans is idiotic. What do you suppose would have happened if reconstruction efforts in the south had not been halted? Do you somehow think that the ghettos of today started out simply because Blacks were happy to be poor and uneducated? Do you somehow think that the huge disproportionality in income and education amongst the black and white
races is a modern conception?
Not unless as a result of this so called crime, subsequent generations up to your grandparents were legally barred from climbing up the proverbial social ladder and your parents and to some extent you, are limited due to prejudices still held.
Then think more
So the fact that theirs is the group most backwards educationally and economically is somehow vindicated because they are in America? Are you nuts? What makes you think that people in Africa would not be better off without the negative influences of outsiders?
Then you clearly are incapable of rationality
Yea Africa is a bloody nation, and it welcomes foreigners.
The blacks in America are citizens of the said nation. Many are highly patriotic. They bleed for the cause of said nation. It is their country, and as such, nonsensical disregard for their plight should be treated with scorn.
They do when attempts are made to withhold one of their main paths up the proverbial social ladder.
I suppose you are incapable of understanding that discrimination need not be overt to be significant. Check out Brazil and their hallucination of a racial harmony. Ideas held still reflect a racial bias, and thus affect treatment and opportunity.
My whole point, as some seem incapable of understanding the very simplistic, is not that Black Americans take up arms and go around shooting every Whitey that won't bow down to their desires, or that white kiss their ass. I am saying that when people assert that the history of systematic and de facto depravation be ignored in attempts to ban affirmative action for instance, blacks outta say, "fuck you".
Institutional preferences still go out to the elite of this nation at the best of educational facilities and businesses (check out Bush), and yet I see no such vehement opposition to such practises. It does not take intelligence or hardwork to be truly successful in America; it takes familial wealth. This stands against the very principles of the nation, and one particular group as has been mentioned, suffers the bulk of such unfairness.
I am not advocating a bloody uprising! Read the damn thread or say nothing.
OverTheStars
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Yes, anyone deprived of anything should raise up their arms and say,"F**k you." As long as they studied hard for it, and worked hard for it.
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Fountainhead said:
Now that surprises me, the issue of african americans, from the past to the present was extensively teached in school. Considering that I live in Germany (a land where this knowledge is pretty inconsequential because we were not invovled in the slave trade and because we have only a few blacks) I nontheless perceived it as an important and memorable historic process. Thus I always thought that this must be perceived as even more important in the USA since all of it took place there. I think that if you remove slavery from the history books, you could aswell go and deny the holocaust, the bombing of Hiroshima and several other events.
Undeniable I also would not give a fuck, perhaps US imports would get cheaper, but that is all the difference I would notice. Nontheless, they have a right to be mentioned in the history books, and it was an important event in history.
Yes, I also remember. We were taught about the Economic Triangle at school. European traders go to Africa, buy slaves off Africans =>, then transport them for sale to America => , then Americans sell their produced goods (most with slave workforce_) to Europe
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