Bizarre sky phenomena

[paddoboy]

Now its time to get to the nitty gritty of the subject. READ and READ some more.

That is the nitty gritty of the subject. The investigative reports see the vast majority to be explained by one means or another, and the small percentage remain UFOs. If you want to be all dramatic and leave the realm of scientific reasoning and immediately claim, Aliens, that's your opinion and your right.
But scientifically, there is absolutely no logical reason why one can assume because something remains unexplained, it is alien. It's a UFO... :shrug:
Like I said, when you or MR can come up with some physical evidence, of UFOs, Bigfoots, giants, ghosts or whatever, I'm sure that scientists will then evaluate that physical evidence and possibly reach a different explanation.
Until then they remain UFOs, so have a good laugh at the video pranks I have posted, and realise how easy it is to fool people particularly a group of school children.

 

[Kittamaru]

Make light all you want guys. The reality is, these things that MR has mentioned have happened .

The thing is if you do not investigate this subject; how would you ever know? Certainly the mainstream media won't inform you. So how would you ever know if not at least somewhat courious about the UFO subject? You won't.

Yes, they have happened - something UNIDENTIFIED has been seen. The problem is, just because the person reporting it doesn't know what it is, that does not make it extra-terrestrial and/or paranormal.

 

[paddoboy]

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-common-explanations-for-ufos.php
1. Experimental Military Aircraft
2. Aircraft
3. Birds, Lens Flare, Reflections, and Other Abnormalities
4. Flares
5. Satellites
6. Weather Balloons
7. Ball Lightning
8. Lenticular Clouds
9. Meteors, Comets, and Fireballs
10. The Planet Venus

NB: I'm rather surprised that the above list does not include other weather phenomenon or simple pranks by practical jokers.

 

[Magical Realist]

So......now what?

You relie on an astrophysicist to answer your questions about UFOs. Why?

Denialists can't think for themselves. They have to consult their science cult figures to find out what they're supposed to believe. It's a religion, like how Biblethumpers have to consult their Bible to find out what they are to believe. Tyson says so, and Paddoboy believes it. EOS...

 

[Magical Realist]

Let'em believe it is a UFO River. According to the dictionaries online, this includes objects of extraterrestrial origin. So they're as much as admitting it.

UFO
noun, plural UFO's, UFOs.
1.any unexplained moving object observed in the sky, especially one assumed by some observers to be of extraterrestrial origin.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ufo

UFO
(ˈyuˈɛfˈoʊ; sometimes ˈyu foʊ)

n., pl. UFOs, UFO's.
unidentified flying object: any unexplained moving object observed in the sky, esp. one assumed to be of extraterrestrial origin.
[1950–55]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/UFO

 

[paddoboy]

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1744.htm

Denialists can't think for themselves. They have to consult their science cult figures to find out what they're supposed to believe. It's a religion, like how Biblethumpers have to consult their Bible to find out what they are to believe. Tyson says so, and Paddoboy believes it. EOS...

You are again being dishonest MR.
As I told river, and as is patently obvious to any logical thinking person, the explanations and scientific reasoning given by De-Grasse Tyson, is everyday common logical knowledge.
Most know and accept those explanations and reasonings. Paddoboy accepts logical reasoning, and not the dishonest, stupid claims of impressionable , gullible people, who immediately equate UFO with Alien.

 

[river]

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1744.htm

You are again being dishonest MR.
As I told river, and as is patently obvious to any logical thinking person, the explanations and scientific reasoning given by De-Grasse Tyson, is everyday common logical knowledge.
Most know and accept those explanations and reasonings. Paddoboy accepts logical reasoning, and not the dishonest, stupid claims of impressionable , gullible people, who immediately equate UFO with Alien.

Of course you accept Neil's reasoning because you don't know any better. You pad have not investigated this topic.

 

[river]

Yes, they have happened - something UNIDENTIFIED has been seen. The problem is, just because the person reporting it doesn't know what it is, that does not make it extra-terrestrial and/or paranormal.

No it doesn't, make it ET.

It could be evolved German tech, from world war two.

But I think it is the combination of both. German advanced tech. And ET.

 

[Magical Realist]

"Globally renowned astronomer, astrophysicist and designer of famous Pioneer 10 NASA Solar System Spacecraft Gold Plaque (far below image.) He had also head the committee to select the contents for Voyager Golden Record.

He is so well respected in scientific community till this date and Nasa even named their 2008 'Study of Extraterrestrial Worlds scholarship' after Mr Sagan.

The pillar of modern space science Dr. Carl Sagan revealed to Dr. J. Allen Hynek that he believed UFOs were real. Sagan said to Hynek, that he knew UFOs were real but could not talk publicly about the matter and possibly risk the loss of academic funding.




Dr. J. Allen Hynek confided his revelations about Dr Sagan to his former associate Paola Harris who revealed this conversation recently

In an interview with research journalist and author Paola Leopizzi-Harris she said:

“My recollection is that Hynek said it was backstage of one of the many Johnny Carson Tonight shows Sagan did. He basically said (to Hynek) in 1984, ‘I know UFOs are real, but I would not risk my research (College) funding, as you do, to talk openly about them in public’.”

This startling revelation about Carl Sagan, one of this century’s most esteemed scientists and writers, has now been made public by Paola Leopizzi-Harris, a former associate of Dr. Allen J. Hynek who worked with him from 1980 to 1985.

Dr. J. Allen Hynek served as a civilian scientific consultant to the U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book from 1952 to 1969, initially taking a very critical and skeptical position on anything related to the reality of UFOs.



In one of his own reports he stated:

"I had started out as an outright 'debunker,' taking great joy in cracking what seemed at first to be puzzling cases. I was the arch-enemy of those 'flying saucer groups and enthusiasts' who very dearly wanted UFOs to be interplanetary.”

(Hynek, J. Allen. "The Hynek UFO Report". Dell Publishing Co. 1977)

After leaving Project Blue Book - the U.S. Air Force’s pseudo-investigatory public relations scheme on UFOs - Hynek later wrote:

"Now, however, documentation which puts the UFO-U.S. government controversy in quite a new light has become available. The (UFO) authors have made revealing use of documents released through the mechanism of the Freedom of Information Act and other data which have been made available to them… which show that the CIA and NSA protestations of innocence and lack of interest in UFOs are nothing short of prevarication."

Hynek went on to say:

"For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are nonexistent in the face of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence presented in this book is puerile and in a sense an insult to the American people."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects122.htm​

 

[paddoboy]

Let'em believe it is a UFO River. According to the dictionaries online, this includes objects of extraterrestrial origin. So they're as much as admitting it.

UFO
noun, plural UFO's, UFOs.
1.any unexplained moving object observed in the sky, especially one assumed by some observers to be of extraterrestrial origin.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ufo

UFO
(ˈyuˈɛfˈoʊ; sometimes ˈyu foʊ)

n., pl. UFOs, UFO's.
unidentified flying object: any unexplained moving object observed in the sky, esp. one assumed to be of extraterrestrial origin.
[1950–55]

That's correct. UFOs are unidentified. And some [the impressionable gullible type] assume them to be of Alien origin.
Just as UFO does not equate to Alien, so to does "assume by some observers"not equate to, "certainly of Alien origin"

So once again your silly assumption in the first paragraph, is just plain fabricated dishonest bullshit.
Just as your past "Science has never benefited mankind" dishonest thread, this one again follows the same faulty dishonest methodology.

 

[river]

That's correct. UFOs are unidentified. And some [the impressionable gullible type] assume them to be of Alien origin.
Just as UFO does not equate to Alien, so to does "assume by some observers"not equate to, "certainly of Alien origin"

So once again your silly assumption in the first paragraph, is just plain fabricated dishonest bullshit.
Just as your past "Science has never benefited mankind" dishonest thread, this one again follows the same faulty dishonest methodology.

Pad your methology towards UFO is BS.

Anyone who has investigated this subject knows this as well.

We in the know, know that Dr.Hynek changed his mind from a debunker to a believer.

 

[paddoboy]

"Globally renowned astronomer, astrophysicist and designer of famous Pioneer 10 NASA Solar System Spacecraft Gold Plaque (far below image.) He had also head the committee to select the contents for Voyager Golden Record.

He is so well respected in scientific community till this date and Nasa even named their 2008 'Study of Extraterrestrial Worlds scholarship' after Mr Sagan.

The pillar of modern space science Dr. Carl Sagan revealed to Dr. J. Allen Hynek that he believed UFOs were real. Sagan said to Hynek, that he knew UFOs were real but could not talk publicly about the matter and possibly risk the loss of academic funding.

More intellectual dishonesty!
Carl sagan certainly believes in UFOs. We ll do. Carl Sagan certainly believes ETI exists somewhere, sometime. But Carl Sagan was a fervent top critic and denier of the claims that UFO sightings were of alien origin.FACT!
The others mentioned in your article I don't know about. But to misinterpret what sagan said is totally dishonest in the extreme.

 

[Magical Realist]

Pad your methology towards UFO is BS.

Anyone who has investigated this subject knows this as well.

It's the typical party line we always get here. They parrot the claim: "There's no evidence for ufos.", having never looked into the field themselves. Then surprise surprise..when I start presenting the evidence they start whining and bitching that that isn't really evidence and can't be reproduced in a lab etc etc. I give them the evidence they claim doesn't exist, and then they start changing the definition of evidence.

 

[paddoboy]

Pad your methology towards UFO is BS.

No, its the scientific method. You are being once again dishonest.

Anyone who has investigated this subject knows this as well.
We in the know, know that Dr.Hynek changed his mind from a debunker to a believer.

We in the know!!!!! Are you serious?

 

[river]

More intellectual dishonesty!
Carl sagan certainly believes in UFOs. We ll do. Carl Sagan certainly believes ETI exists somewhere, sometime. But Carl Sagan was a fervent top critic and denier of the claims that UFO sightings were of alien origin.FACT!
The others mentioned in your article I don't know about. But to misinterpret what sagan said is totally dishonest in the extreme.

As with Scientists at the time, what you say publicly is different than what you think and say privately. You know this right pad?

 

[paddoboy]

It's the typical party line we always get here. They parrot the claim: "There's no evidence for ufos.", having never looked into the field themselves. Then surprise surprise..when I start presenting the evidence they start whining and bitching that that isn't really evidence and can't be reproduced in a lab etc etc. I give them the evidence they claim doesn't exist, and then they start changing the definition of evidence.

You do not have any physical evidence at all..none, zero, zilch.
And really as has been shown in your other nonsensical threads, you appear to be the one bitching, whinging and appealing to like minded souls.
You posted some lies and bullshit re Sagan, and now you continue your rantings and unscientific claims.

 

[paddoboy]

As with Scientists at the time, what you say publicly is different than what you think and say privately. You know this right pad?

Unlike you and your dishonesty, along with MR, I try and keep to facts....

An interesting video of two astronomers, one being Sagan.

 

[river]

You do not have any physical evidence at all..none, zero, zilch.
And really as has been shown in your other nonsensical threads, you appear to be the one bitching, whinging and appealing to like minded souls.
You posted some lies and bullshit re Sagan, and now you continue your rantings and unscientific claims.

Thing is pad , you know nothing of the subject , you give nothing more than OPINION on the subject, based on ignorance and simple mindlessness.

It doesn't wash with me nor anybody that are informed. You come across as an ignorant fool.

 

[Magical Realist]

Carl sagan certainly believes in UFOs

Right..that's what he told Hynek. But to be a UFO believer would have put his career and reputation in jeopardy, so he never claimed to believe in UFOs publically.

 

[paddoboy]

Another link on the great Carl sagan to illustrate how our two friends, MR and river will like all anti science types, do whatever they can by hook or by crook to discredit science and in this case, probably the greatest educator of our time.

http://files.ncas.org/ufosymposium/sagan.html

extract:
So any estimate of how likely it is that we would be visited by an extraterrestrial intelligent civilization, depends not only on how many of them are there, but on what kind of transport they have, and how often they launch their space vehicles, even very optimistic estimates for all these numbers, gives a conclusion that an advance civilization comes here very rarely. But I again emphasize the great uncertainty in any of these numerical estimates, as they involve parts of science we don't know very much about.
So, to conclude what I understand is the main reason why this committee has asked me to testify, it is not beyond any question of doubt that we can be visited. There are great difficulties from our present point of view. They are not insuperable. And if Dr. McDonald, for example, were to present me with extremely convincing evidence of an advanced technology in a UFO, I could not say to him that is impossible, because I know you can't get from there to here, or I can't say to him that is impossible because I know there aren't any other guys up there.

On the other hand, I would of course demand very firm evidence before I would say, well, that seems to be a very likely hypothesis. So I would like to spend Just a few minutes to come more closely to the subject of this symposium.