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There is no reproducible "phenomenon". That's the problem. All we have is anecdote after anecdote, with no objective evidence that can be checked by other parties after the event and nothing to enable us to set up a controlled observation for further occurrences. There are countless theories that reply on this sort of flaky non-evidence, from the Bermuda Triangle to the alleged murder of the Princess of Wales. Some people like to believe in them for various reasons related to their own psychological comfort. But the absence of reproducible, objective observations renders them unscientific.

Wrong. On at least two separate occasions these craft were picked up on radar going at speeds exceeding anything we have--the Belgium UFO wave of the 1990's and the Stephenville Tx incident of 2008. This is direct evidence of the existence of these objects backing up the eyewitness testimony of those who saw it as well. The only psychological comforting going on here is from those who deny such evidence repeatedly to protect their faith-based belief that such things don't and can't exist. It is a blatant attempt to protect a denialist belief system and nothing more. And reproducibility is no more an issue than with any other phenomena such as dark matter, earthquake lights, or black holes.
 
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Wrong. On at least two separate occasions these craft were picked up on radar going at speeds exceeding anything we have--the Belgium UFO wave of the 1990's and the Stephenville Tx incident of 2008. This is direct evidence of the existence of these objects backing up the eyewitness testimony of those who saw it as well. The only psychological comforting going on here is from those who deny such evidence repeatedly to protect their faith-based belief that such things don't and can't exist. It is a blatant attempt to protect a denialist belief system and nothing more. And reproducibility is no more an issue than with any other phenomena such as dark matter, earthquake lights, or black holes.
Both the 'Belgium UFO wave' and the Stephenville Tx incident have rather mundane explanations. The Stephenville incident involve F-16 and flares with no radar contact. The 'Belgium wave' was a bunch of UFOlogist getting worked up. The only radar contact was most certainly a malfunction on a F-16 that is not uncommon and the F-16 pilot thinks it is funny that people think the malfunction was a UFO.

I know it is more fun to think that Has Solo was flying around but, come on....
 
Both the 'Belgium UFO wave' and the Stephenville Tx incident have rather mundane explanations. The Stephenville incident involve F-16 and flares with no radar contact. The 'Belgium wave' was a bunch of UFOlogist getting worked up. The only radar contact was most certainly a malfunction on a F-16 that is not uncommon and the F-16 pilot thinks it is funny that people think the malfunction was a UFO.

I know it is more fun to think that Has Solo was flying around but, come on....

It's more fun to make up things about the real event to support your disbelief in ufos than to actually read about what actually happened:

"The Belgian UFO wave peaked with the events of the night of 30/31 March 1990. On that night unknown objects were tracked on radar, chased by two Belgian Air Force F-16s, photographed, and were sighted by an estimated 13,500 people on the ground – 2,600 of whom filed written statements describing in detail what they had seen.[2]Following the incident the Belgian air force released a report detailing the events of that night.

At around 23:00 on 30 March the supervisor for the Control Reporting Center (CRC) at Glons received reports that three unusual lights were seen moving towards Thorembais-Gembloux, which lies to the South-East ofBrussels. The lights were reported to be brighter than stars, changing color between red, green and yellow, and appeared to be fixed at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. At this point Glons CRC requested the Wavregendarmerie send a patrol to confirm the sighting.

Approximately 10 minutes later a second set of lights was sighted moving towards the first triangle. By around 23:30 the Wavre gendarmerie had confirmed the initial sightings and Glons CRC had been able to observe the phenomenon on radar. During this time the second set of lights, after some erratic manoeuvres, had also formed themselves into a smaller triangle. After tracking the targets and after receiving a second radar confirmation from the Traffic Center Control at Semmerzake, Glons CRC gave the order to scramble two F-16 fighters fromBeauvechain Air Base shortly before midnight. Throughout this time the phenomenon was still clearly visible from the ground, with witnesses describing the whole formation as maintaining their relative positions while moving slowly across the sky. Witnesses also reported two dimmer lights towards the municipality of Eghezee displaying similar erratic movements to the second set of lights.

Over the next hour the two scrambled F-16s attempted nine separate interceptions of the targets. On three occasions they managed to obtain a radar lock for a few seconds but each time the targets changed position and speed so rapidly that the lock was broken. During the first radar lock, the target accelerated from 240 km/h to over 1,770 km/h while changing altitude from 2,700 m to 1,500 m, then up to 3,350 m before descending to almost ground level – the first descent of more than 900 m taking less than two seconds. Similar manoeuvres were observed during both subsequent radar locks. On no occasion were the F-16 pilots able to make visual contact with the targets and at no point, despite the speeds involved, was there any indication of a sonic boom. Moreover, narrator Robert Stack added in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, the sudden changes in acceleration and deceleration would have been fatal to one or more human pilots.

During this time, ground witnesses broadly corroborate the information obtained by radar. They described seeing the smaller triangle completely disappear from sight at one point, while the larger triangle moved upwards very rapidly as the F-16s flew past. After 00:30 radar contact became much more sporadic and the final confirmed lock took place at 00:40. This final lock was once again broken by an acceleration from around 160 km/h to 1,120 km/h after which the radar of the F-16s and those at Glons and Semmerzake all lost contact. Following several further unconfirmed contacts the F-16s eventually returned to base shortly after 01:00.

The final details of the sighting were provided by the members of the Wavre gendarmerie who had been sent to confirm the original report. They describe four lights now being arranged in a square formation, all making short jerky movements, before gradually losing their luminosity and disappearing in four separate directions at around 01:30."====https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
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"On January 8, 2008 in Stephenville, Texas, one of the larger UFO sightings in the United States occurred. A few days ago the UFO investigative organization Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) released a 77-page report on the sighting. MUFON is a UFO investigative organization in the United States. Founded in 1969, it now has 3,000 members and is headquartered in Fort Collins, Colorado.

The MUFON report, entitled "Special Research Report Stephenville, Texas" was written by Glen Schulze and Ropert Powell. Shulze has radar experience from working at the White Sands Missile Range. Powell has a chemistry degree and has extensive experience with semiconductors from working for Advanced Micro Devices.

The report is an analysis of radar records from the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Weather Service, obtained through several Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, and comparing them to witness accounts.

Shulze/Powell concluded that the radar data confirms the witness observations of an object, as well as the Air Force's statement that said ten aircraft were operating in the area. They say that it is too difficult to say what the witnesses saw, but that there was something there. Twice, they say, radar picked up an object travelling at nearly 2,000 mph, and at other times it showed a slow moving object."===https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/MUFON_releases_report_on_UFO_sighting_in_Stephenville,_Texas
 
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It's more fun to make up things about the real event to support your disbelief in ufos than to actually read about what actually happened:

"The Belgian UFO wave peaked with the events of the night of 30/31 March 1990. On that night unknown objects were tracked on radar, chased by two Belgian Air Force F-16s, photographed, and were sighted by an estimated 13,500 people on the ground – 2,600 of whom filed written statements describing in detail what they had seen.[2]Following the incident the Belgian air force released a report detailing the events of that night.

At around 23:00 on 30 March the supervisor for the Control Reporting Center (CRC) at Glons received reports that three unusual lights were seen moving towards Thorembais-Gembloux, which lies to the South-East ofBrussels. The lights were reported to be brighter than stars, changing color between red, green and yellow, and appeared to be fixed at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. At this point Glons CRC requested the Wavregendarmerie send a patrol to confirm the sighting.

Approximately 10 minutes later a second set of lights was sighted moving towards the first triangle. By around 23:30 the Wavre gendarmerie had confirmed the initial sightings and Glons CRC had been able to observe the phenomenon on radar. During this time the second set of lights, after some erratic manoeuvres, had also formed themselves into a smaller triangle. After tracking the targets and after receiving a second radar confirmation from the Traffic Center Control at Semmerzake, Glons CRC gave the order to scramble two F-16 fighters fromBeauvechain Air Base shortly before midnight. Throughout this time the phenomenon was still clearly visible from the ground, with witnesses describing the whole formation as maintaining their relative positions while moving slowly across the sky. Witnesses also reported two dimmer lights towards the municipality of Eghezee displaying similar erratic movements to the second set of lights.

Over the next hour the two scrambled F-16s attempted nine separate interceptions of the targets. On three occasions they managed to obtain a radar lock for a few seconds but each time the targets changed position and speed so rapidly that the lock was broken. During the first radar lock, the target accelerated from 240 km/h to over 1,770 km/h while changing altitude from 2,700 m to 1,500 m, then up to 3,350 m before descending to almost ground level – the first descent of more than 900 m taking less than two seconds. Similar manoeuvres were observed during both subsequent radar locks. On no occasion were the F-16 pilots able to make visual contact with the targets and at no point, despite the speeds involved, was there any indication of a sonic boom. Moreover, narrator Robert Stack added in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, the sudden changes in acceleration and deceleration would have been fatal to one or more human pilots.

During this time, ground witnesses broadly corroborate the information obtained by radar. They described seeing the smaller triangle completely disappear from sight at one point, while the larger triangle moved upwards very rapidly as the F-16s flew past. After 00:30 radar contact became much more sporadic and the final confirmed lock took place at 00:40. This final lock was once again broken by an acceleration from around 160 km/h to 1,120 km/h after which the radar of the F-16s and those at Glons and Semmerzake all lost contact. Following several further unconfirmed contacts the F-16s eventually returned to base shortly after 01:00.

The final details of the sighting were provided by the members of the Wavre gendarmerie who had been sent to confirm the original report. They describe four lights now being arranged in a square formation, all making short jerky movements, before gradually losing their luminosity and disappearing in four separate directions at around 01:30."====https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
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"On January 8, 2008 in Stephenville, Texas, one of the larger UFO sightings in the United States occurred. A few days ago the UFO investigative organization Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) released a 77-page report on the sighting. MUFON is a UFO investigative organization in the United States. Founded in 1969, it now has 3,000 members and is headquartered in Fort Collins, Colorado.

The MUFON report, entitled "Special Research Report Stephenville, Texas" was written by Glen Schulze and Ropert Powell. Shulze has radar experience from working at the White Sands Missile Range. Powell has a chemistry degree and has extensive experience with semiconductors from working for Advanced Micro Devices.

The report is an analysis of radar records from the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Weather Service, obtained through several Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, and comparing them to witness accounts.

Shulze/Powell concluded that the radar data confirms the witness observations of an object, as well as the Air Force's statement that said ten aircraft were operating in the area. They say that it is too difficult to say what the witnesses saw, but that there was something there. Twice, they say, radar picked up an object travelling at nearly 2,000 mph, and at other times it showed a slow moving object."===https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/MUFON_releases_report_on_UFO_sighting_in_Stephenville,_Texas
Yeah, yeah, I know, there're aliens everywhere.
 
Make light all you want guys. The reality is, these things that MR has mentioned have happened .

The thing is if you do not investigate this subject; how would you ever know? Certainly the mainstream media won't inform you. So how would you ever know if not at least somewhat courious about the UFO subject? You won't.
 
There is no reproducible "phenomenon". That's the problem. All we have is anecdote after anecdote, with no objective evidence that can be checked by other parties after the event and nothing to enable us to set up a controlled observation for further occurrences. There are countless theories that reply on this sort of flaky non-evidence, from the Bermuda Triangle to the alleged murder of the Princess of Wales. Some people like to believe in them for various reasons related to their own psychological comfort. But the absence of reproducible, objective observations renders them unscientific.

Well worth repeating exchemist.
I've certainly seen a UFO myself, around 15 years ago, while driving along a coastal H/way....a blue circular disk, about the size of the apparent Moon, dipping up and below the horizon. Checked out all the papers next morning, no other reports, thought about it a bit, and came to the conclusion it was just a plain ordinary run of the mill UFO. :) Absolutely no evidence to claim it was any anal probing Alien craft, as much as on this occasion I would have loved it to be....an Alien craft that is, without any subsequent anal probing. :)
 
Asrophistists do not investigate the evidence that are real experiences by all kinds of people by all walks of life.

And neither do the majority of people.
 
Asrophistists do not investigate the evidence that are real experiences by all kinds of people by all walks of life.

And neither do the majority of people.


Rubbish, more untrue statements you continue to make as you were continually making the other day.
Most sightings are investigated and the majority are put down to natural causes and weather phenomenon. The rest are UFOs.

And please be aware river, that I'm not playing your dumb one liner trolling game.
If you have any physical evidence for Alien craft, ghosts, giants or Bigfoot then present it.
You havn't and you can't. Just like MR, you are an impressionable young fella, delusioned in a lot of ways, and a fan of the totally illogical and non scientific explanation rather than the more mundane everyday scientific reasoning.
Probably adds more excitement to your life.
 
Then READ about UFOS and the investigations into sightings. Sure most can be explained , but it is the 10 to 15% that can't be explained, is the intriguing part of this the phenomenon.

Whether its German tech. From world war two or aliens, or both. Either way these craft are real.
 
Whether its German tech. From world war two or aliens, or both. Either way these craft are real.
Why are you so continually intellectually dishonest?
No one has ever said UFOs were not real. Of course they are real. I've seen a UFO myself.
 
So......now what?
You relie on an astrophysicist to answer your questions about UFOs. Why?

You feel rather left out that I do not rely on your own non scientific reasoning?:rolleyes:
All De-Grasse Tyson did was state the obvious many reasons that any normal logical person would arrive at.
It's certainly a UFO, and that is all anyone can say with any certainty.
 
You feel rather left out that I do not rely on your own non scientific reasoning?:rolleyes:
All De-Grasse Tyson did was state the obvious many reasons that any normal logical person would arrive at.
It's certainly a UFO, and that is all anyone can say with any certainty.

Now its time to get to the nitty gritty of the subject. READ and READ some more.
 
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