Bashing republican\democrats thread

Madgreenwood, Kerry did two tours of duty, one on a ship near Vietnam, volunteered for another in country, saved his buddie's life, earned a silver star, bronze star, and three purple hearts, so stop lying, please. What was your candidate doing at the time? a beer bong?
 
tiassa said:

That's the game, people. Remember that the GOP only has a point if you listen to them exclusively.

In the end, this is an unwise move from the GOP. Should the Democrats or, even, a Democrat at random decide to fight fire with fire, I can't even imagine how hilarious that would be..
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Let's see this experiment:
MATTHEW: Do you think that was a fair cropping of what he had to say? You cut him off after he said, yes. And you did not let him continue on to say: “in the sense that I don‘t believe the president took to us war as he should have.”

DOWD: Yes. yes, absolutely, So yes, of course it‘s fair.

DEVINE: Chris, it‘s pathetic. OK? And the reason that they‘re doing this is they‘ve got nothing to say about creating jobs, providing health care or dealing with any of the issues that the voters want dealt with in this election.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Matt, are you going to declared? You say on my show that. That‘s all I‘m asking.

DOWD: Chris, I would love you ... various positions I would be happy ... to play.

MATTHEWS: That‘s an argument you‘re making?

DOWD: Of course it‘s what ... said?

MATTHEWS: Well, how—why don‘t you show ... for 10 seconds so ... get it straight.

Source: MSNBC
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ok, its not good soap opera, but its a start
 
tiassaism:
That's the game, people. Remember that the GOP only has a point if you listen to them exclusively.
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So, the 'game' is about not even considering alternative points of view because that would automatically devalue your own invested points of view -- because your's are such absolutely, right-on points of view that surely they should be the only points of view available for universal consideration -- without the need for further discussion, and possibly belief-changing reflections from others who might possibly possess even just a very few different, suprisingly useful perspectives that could benefit your clan?

Inbreeding begets inbreeder mentality.
 
Kerry's from a classier more European type of wealth, and the Bush's more of an American wealth.
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You mean like old money and nouveau riche?

John Kerry by himself is wealthy, but not THAT wealthy. When he was growing up, he wasn't as wealthy as he was privileged. Bush has about 15 million dollars of his own money, which he made from his sale of the Texas Rangers. Cheney has about 50 million, and Edwards has about 40 million. Kerry, without his wife's fortune, is the poor kid on the block.

And anybody who served on a swift boat in Vietnam did more than enough. It's the most dangerous job there is. "Only" served four months? I wouldn't bring that up, compared to a man who spent 0 years, 0 months, 0 weeks, 0 days, and 0 minutes in Vietnam.
 
That's been my feeling as well. He served, that's really all I need to know. I don't really have a problem with a swift-boat vet saying what he feels, but this organized campaign really needs to stop. I also think it needs a stronger condemnation from the White House.

The darn thing just has legs, though. Go figure.
 
Mr. G said:
So, the 'game' is about not even considering alternative points of view because that would automatically devalue your own invested points of view -- because your's are such absolutely, right-on points of view that surely they should be the only points of view available for universal consideration -- without the need for further discussion, and possibly belief-changing reflections from others who might possibly possess even just a very few different, suprisingly useful perspectives that could benefit your clan?
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That's how I read it according to Matthew Dowd, a senior strategist for Bush/Cheney. And hey, that seems to be the game the Bush administration has chosen to play so far.

Inbreeding begets inbreeder mentality
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Case in point: the GOP.

You'll notice they're painfully aware of the need for new blood. Powell's decision to not attend the convention is rather unfortunate for them in this regard.
 
On the other hand, this Washington Times editorial seems to have some valid points:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040809-090612-9480r.htm

Writing for the Boston Herald in October 1979, Mr. Kerry said this: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."
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Nixon certainly wasn't in office yet at Christmas 1968. I guess that might be an understandable mistake in hindsight, but he's actually pinning something on Nixon there and Johnson didn't send troops to Cambodia -- he's too early. So it does seem like something's not right there.

Still, it's something he said 25 years ago, and at the time it was about something that happened eleven years before. To me it just reads like something he said without careful enough deliberation, to make a point about Vietnam. While it might be erroneous, it's hardly criminal, and I'm not even sure it reaches the level of a serious problem.
 
Source: Washington Post
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
Title: "Records Counter A Critic of Kerry's"
Date: August 19, 2004

Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events.

In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

. . . . "It's like a Hollywood presentation here, which wasn't the case," Thurlow said last night after being read the full text of his Bronze Star citation. "My personal feeling was always that I got the award for coming to the rescue of the boat that was mined. This casts doubt on anybody's awards. It is sickening and disgusting."

Source: Washington Post
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So ... Larry Thurlow is so sure of his story that he's willing to doubt the merit of his own award or anybody else's in the history of that war, or perhaps even the history of the armed services in the United States?

On more than a few occasions, I have referred to a certain degree of disbelief which I assert has worked to the Bush administration's credit: what has happened that has upset people over the last three and a half years would have been unimaginable and damn near treasonous (in a "Love it or leave it!" context) to suggest that a president could say some of the things that Bush has said, and do some of the things Bush has done.

I have to admit, in that age before the New Cynicism, holding your position at that cost would be damn near convincing. These days, it's not much. Everything else is for sale; the ad was the sort of thing we've come to expect from the 2000 primary and the 2002 general election; this is a longstanding grudge now staked against the highest office in the land; heck, we spent $40m on a blowjob; have gone to war because God said so .... Compared to the Rove School, yes, it's possible that stopping Kerry is so important to Thurlow that he will cast doubt on himself and every one of his fellow servicemen fighting in Vietnam.

It's an interesting, but nearly expected twist. If not expected, at least it's not outright surprising.
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• Dobbs, Michael. "Records Counter A Critic Of Kerry." Washington Post, August 19, 2004; page A01. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
 
You mean like old money and nouveau riche?

Well yes, wealth has two connotations really one is the established wealth which is characteristic of New England. They have the historic and material wealth that not even Bush could ever really have. Bush is part of a wealth that is indeed nouveau riche, in the sense that these people aren’t classy they are just wealthy and don’t know how to be classy. They are basically like trailer park trash who has money, at least that the perception of nouveau riche.
 
Bush wants to be percieved as a president who has "Power" and he wants the control that goes along with it. Unfortuantely, this president whose motives (WMD) for going to war in Iraq "misled" the american people and we know now were not honest motives, but instead "self serving". If Bush is re-elected, we can expect more of the same (Iran's next on his invasion list). It's too bad that senator John MaCain, a much respected vietnam vet ex-prisoner of war has decided to support the Bush campagn for re-election.

Yob Atta
 
Undecided said:
Well yes, wealth has two connotations really one is the established wealth which is characteristic of New England. They have the historic and material wealth that not even Bush could ever really have.
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Uh, Bush is part of the same New England Elite as Kerry. He isn't just a regular guy from Texas.
 
Inbred the GOP may be, but so, too, are the Dems -- who can't bring themselves to direct the expressions of their hyperactive, skepticism genes toward one of their own inbred lineage.

Circus circus.

And people wonder why someone might not take you all as seriously as you command.
 
Bush as a president is a Joke! If you vote for Bush for re-election then america is asking for big big trouble ahead. If you thought the last four years we're bad, if Bush get's re-elected then you haven't seen anything yet...........

Yob Atta
 
Vote for Bush! Then he'll be in the media, so we can watch the next time he chokes on a pretzel!
 
cosmictraveler said:
Why vote at all, they both are asholes!
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Vote Badnarik.

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