Absane:
I do not agree with the full sentiment of the Moslem cleric. I do, however, recognize that women who wear sexy clothes and are, for lack of a better term, cock tease, are playing a dangerous game.
And again: Why would a promiscious woman really give a damn about being raped non-violently?
Bells:
"There can never ever be a mitigating circumstance in a rape. A woman can never contribute to her rape. By clicking for any of the above, you absolve the rapist and basically blame the woman which in my opinion, makes you just as bad as the rapist. "
Why do you affirm such?
Let's have reason, not emotion, here.
Pete:
You chose to look at things from an interesting viewpoint. Excluding circumstances that were covered by others at the crux. This is likely then the chief reason why I kept the four choices rather than just the two, although we seemingly agree on most matters relating to this. I instead opted for an approach that specifically covered everything and which tried to discredit some arguments that basically redefine what rape is. For instance, having sex with any drunk girls is an act of rape to some people. Yet this is clearly an absurd position.
I would also say that your "marriage v. relationship" point was interesting. However, I did not consider such things by virtue of the fact that the idea of marriage implies a marriage that currently exists and which isn't dissolved all in formal legal sundering (divorced v. separation).
However, might you elaborate a bit why you affirmed this in response to the relationship thing?
"I agree that it could potentially mitigates, but with reservations. I don't think it would mitigate the severity of the crime in all situations. I definitely don't agree that it necessarily makes the action not rape at all."
I'm intrigued by the details of your viewpoint on this.
But some direct responses...
"The problem with this is that "begging for sexual attention" should not be judged by the person's attire or past. Unless they have a t-shirt that says "I'm begging for sexual attention", I guess."
Do you really think this is reasonable? Certain clothing, in the proper cultural setting, implies sexual desire. For instance: Women who wear their thongs hiked above their low-rider jeans whilst wearing an exposed midriff shirt? That is an obvious sexually-focused attire.
If nothing else, she should realize that this signal is being broadcasted and could make rape more likely.
"Flirtation is tricky... when I think "flirtation", I don't think "begging for sex", but it's a broad term. "
Well, if one is unsure if one should "tempt the beast", perhaps one oughn't? Flirting with someone that you have no intent to be serious with even remotely, specifically if the flirtation becomes overally sexual (as opposed to more innocent) is again, a sure fire way to increase your chances of being raped.
I should note, however, that none of these things force men to rape women, only that women ought to consider the general risks of certain behaviour, as it is more likely to provoke a sexual reaction out of men to do certain things.
I do not agree with the full sentiment of the Moslem cleric. I do, however, recognize that women who wear sexy clothes and are, for lack of a better term, cock tease, are playing a dangerous game.
And again: Why would a promiscious woman really give a damn about being raped non-violently?
Bells:
"There can never ever be a mitigating circumstance in a rape. A woman can never contribute to her rape. By clicking for any of the above, you absolve the rapist and basically blame the woman which in my opinion, makes you just as bad as the rapist. "
Why do you affirm such?
Let's have reason, not emotion, here.
Pete:
You chose to look at things from an interesting viewpoint. Excluding circumstances that were covered by others at the crux. This is likely then the chief reason why I kept the four choices rather than just the two, although we seemingly agree on most matters relating to this. I instead opted for an approach that specifically covered everything and which tried to discredit some arguments that basically redefine what rape is. For instance, having sex with any drunk girls is an act of rape to some people. Yet this is clearly an absurd position.
I would also say that your "marriage v. relationship" point was interesting. However, I did not consider such things by virtue of the fact that the idea of marriage implies a marriage that currently exists and which isn't dissolved all in formal legal sundering (divorced v. separation).
However, might you elaborate a bit why you affirmed this in response to the relationship thing?
"I agree that it could potentially mitigates, but with reservations. I don't think it would mitigate the severity of the crime in all situations. I definitely don't agree that it necessarily makes the action not rape at all."
I'm intrigued by the details of your viewpoint on this.
But some direct responses...
"The problem with this is that "begging for sexual attention" should not be judged by the person's attire or past. Unless they have a t-shirt that says "I'm begging for sexual attention", I guess."
Do you really think this is reasonable? Certain clothing, in the proper cultural setting, implies sexual desire. For instance: Women who wear their thongs hiked above their low-rider jeans whilst wearing an exposed midriff shirt? That is an obvious sexually-focused attire.
If nothing else, she should realize that this signal is being broadcasted and could make rape more likely.
"Flirtation is tricky... when I think "flirtation", I don't think "begging for sex", but it's a broad term. "
Well, if one is unsure if one should "tempt the beast", perhaps one oughn't? Flirting with someone that you have no intent to be serious with even remotely, specifically if the flirtation becomes overally sexual (as opposed to more innocent) is again, a sure fire way to increase your chances of being raped.
I should note, however, that none of these things force men to rape women, only that women ought to consider the general risks of certain behaviour, as it is more likely to provoke a sexual reaction out of men to do certain things.